Re: working with FSF on Debian Free-ness assessment

2013-12-25 Thread Paul Tagliamonte
On Wed, Dec 25, 2013 at 07:49:37PM +0100, Dominik George wrote: > Just out of curiosity: What's their definition of freedom anyway? > > Forcing the user to not use non-free software takes away their freedom, > but probably the FSF does not get that, or they wouldn't be pushing the > GPL so badly.

Re: Buying hardware with Debian money

2013-12-25 Thread Mason Loring Bliss
On Wed, Dec 25, 2013 at 07:00:10PM +0100, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > So, I really saw this purchase as purchasing "Debian infrastructure hosted > at a Developer's rather than in a datacenter". Alright, that's well-reasoned. Something I'd throw in as a possible addition to this would be a formal agre

Re: working with FSF on Debian Free-ness assessment

2013-12-25 Thread Brian Gupta
On Wed, Dec 25, 2013 at 2:32 PM, Michael Banck wrote: > On Wed, Dec 25, 2013 at 08:13:29PM +0100, Dominik George wrote: >> > > Just out of curiosity: What's their definition of freedom anyway? >> > >> > You don't know what their definition of freedom is, but continue to >> > assess their religious

Re: working with FSF on Debian Free-ness assessment

2013-12-25 Thread Michael Banck
On Wed, Dec 25, 2013 at 08:13:29PM +0100, Dominik George wrote: > > > Just out of curiosity: What's their definition of freedom anyway? > > > > You don't know what their definition of freedom is, but continue to > > assess their religious views? This doesn't look very useful to me. > > I know ve

Re: working with FSF on Debian Free-ness assessment

2013-12-25 Thread Dominik George
> > Just out of curiosity: What's their definition of freedom anyway? > > You don't know what their definition of freedom is, but continue to > assess their religious views? This doesn't look very useful to me. I know very well what their definition of freedom is. My question challenges the vald

Re: working with FSF on Debian Free-ness assessment

2013-12-25 Thread Michael Banck
On Wed, Dec 25, 2013 at 07:49:37PM +0100, Dominik George wrote: > > Correct. Unfortunately I haven't heard much else either. Discussions > > went on on the fsf-collab-discuss list on alioth, but the state of the > > art is still that we're waiting for the FSF to refine current freeness > > assessme

Re: working with FSF on Debian Free-ness assessment

2013-12-25 Thread Dominik George
> Correct. Unfortunately I haven't heard much else either. Discussions > went on on the fsf-collab-discuss list on alioth, but the state of the > art is still that we're waiting for the FSF to refine current freeness > assessment into more actionable items. Just out of curiosity: What's their defi

Re: working with FSF on Debian Free-ness assessment

2013-12-25 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Wed, Dec 25, 2013 at 12:06:43PM -0500, Paul Tagliamonte wrote: > zack@ was the last person to work with the FSF on this, and I've not > heard much else. Correct. Unfortunately I haven't heard much else either. Discussions went on on the fsf-collab-discuss list on alioth, but the state of the ar

Re: Buying hardware with Debian money

2013-12-25 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
Hi Mason, Sorry for the delayed answer. On 16/12/13 at 22:33 -0500, Mason Loring Bliss wrote: > On Sun, Oct 20, 2013, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > > > I received a few requests for hardware purchases, that I think are worth > > discussing with the project as a whole in order to progress towards havi

Re: working with FSF on Debian Free-ness assessment

2013-12-25 Thread Paul Tagliamonte
On Wed, Dec 25, 2013 at 06:45:50PM +0400, Sergey B Kirpichev wrote: > Any news, current status? None that I know. I'd be really interested in working with the FSF in a way that helps us both out a lot, and I'd really love to get an official endorsement. I know it'll be hard, and I know it'll requi

Re: working with FSF on Debian Free-ness assessment

2013-12-25 Thread Sergey B Kirpichev
Hello, > I think we should either get Debian in FSF [free-distros list][1], or > document (from our POV) why Debian is not there. I'm looking for Debian > volunteers interested in the topic and willing to participate in a joint > Debian / FSF team that will work toward that goal without prejudices