GR proposal: code of conduct

2014-02-12 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Hi all, This is to propose a general resolution under ยง4.1.5 of the constitution to propose a Debian code of conduct. This code of conduct has been drafted during debconf, and been refined during a BoF session there and in a discussion on the debian-project mailinglist. For more details, please

Re: systemd bad press? score card?

2014-02-12 Thread Neil McGovern
On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 10:42:14AM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote: I personally would defer to the Debian press team to decide whether they feel we should make a public statement at this time. I think we're still in the middle of our process, which I understand that a lot of people outside the

Re: systemd bad press? score card?

2014-02-12 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On 10/02/2014 17:26, Daniel Pocock wrote: http://www.itwire.com snip Not really objective journalism The byline alone is enough to deduce this. Let's not feed the trolls. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact

Re: GR proposal: code of conduct

2014-02-12 Thread Ean Schuessler
- Wouter Verhelst wou...@debian.org wrote: # Debian Code of Conduct ... ## In case of problems Serious or persistent offenders will be temporarily or permanently banned from communicating through Debian's systems. Complaints should be made (in private) to the administrators of the

Re: GR proposal: code of conduct

2014-02-12 Thread Abou Al Montacir
On Wed, 2014-02-12 at 11:45 -0600, Ean Schuessler wrote: It is well understood that secret laws and secret courts are not a desirable feature for any government. I feel that the same should hold true for our community. The procedures leading up to a ban, the evidence collected, the criteria

Re: GR proposal: code of conduct

2014-02-12 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Wed, 2014-02-12 at 11:59 +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote: [...] ## Assume good faith Debian Contributors have many ways of reaching our common goal of a [free](http://www.debian.org/intro/free) operating system which may differ from your ways. Assume that other people are working towards

Re: GR proposal: code of conduct

2014-02-12 Thread Don Armstrong
On Wed, 12 Feb 2014, Ean Schuessler wrote: It is well understood that secret laws and secret courts are not a desirable feature for any government. I feel that the same should hold true for our community. The procedures leading up to a ban, the evidence collected, the criteria the evidence

Re: GR proposal: code of conduct

2014-02-12 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 11:45:05AM -0600, Ean Schuessler wrote: I hope many of you will agree that while the CoC may be a necessary feature for our community it should be governed in a transparent, policy-driven and unbiased manner with detailed record keeping and peer review. I agree with

Re: GR proposal: code of conduct

2014-02-12 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 06:25:12PM +, Ben Hutchings wrote: On Wed, 2014-02-12 at 11:59 +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote: [...] ## Assume good faith Debian Contributors have many ways of reaching our common goal of a [free](http://www.debian.org/intro/free) operating system which may

Re: GR proposal: code of conduct

2014-02-12 Thread Chris Knadle
On Wednesday, February 12, 2014 11:45:05 Ean Schuessler wrote: - Wouter Verhelst wou...@debian.org wrote: # Debian Code of Conduct ... ## In case of problems Serious or persistent offenders will be temporarily or permanently banned from communicating through Debian's systems.

Master thesis on Free Software contributors - help needed

2014-02-12 Thread Nikolai Gad
First of all I apologize if this is not the right place to ask, but to a newcomer all the Debian lists can be a bit confusing and I was not able to find a more relevant list. I am a master student at the IT University of Copenhagen and I am writing my final thesis on contributors to Free and Open

Re: GR proposal: code of conduct

2014-02-12 Thread Ian Jackson
Ean Schuessler writes (Re: GR proposal: code of conduct): I feel we must see clearly that the CoC and its related ban punishment effectively amounts to a nascent court system for the project. I don't think that's the case and I don't want to see it that way. A comprehensive ban is

Re: GR proposal: code of conduct

2014-02-12 Thread Ean Schuessler
- Ian Jackson ijack...@chiark.greenend.org.uk wrote: This isn't really true IMO. Someone who is banned can always send a message privately to a sympathetic contributor, who can forward it if it seems relevant or interesting. (I have in fact done this for a contributor who was under some

Re: GR proposal: code of conduct

2014-02-12 Thread Russ Allbery
Ean Schuessler e...@brainfood.com writes: I am actually for the CoC. My complaint is that the GR does not require a record keeping process. I actually agree with Steve that we should not be concerned about publicly advertising the bans. A ban should have been proceeded by a warning and should

Re: GR proposal: code of conduct

2014-02-12 Thread Chris Knadle
On Wednesday, February 12, 2014 16:27:52 Russ Allbery wrote: Ean Schuessler e...@brainfood.com writes: I am actually for the CoC. My complaint is that the GR does not require a record keeping process. I actually agree with Steve that we should not be concerned about publicly advertising the

Re: GR proposal: code of conduct

2014-02-12 Thread Russ Allbery
Chris Knadle chris.kna...@coredump.us writes: On Wednesday, February 12, 2014 16:27:52 Russ Allbery wrote: Ean Schuessler e...@brainfood.com writes: I am actually for the CoC. My complaint is that the GR does not require a record keeping process. I actually agree with Steve that we should

Re: GR proposal: code of conduct

2014-02-12 Thread Chris Knadle
On Wednesday, February 12, 2014 21:39:47 Russ Allbery wrote: Chris Knadle chris.kna...@coredump.us writes: On Wednesday, February 12, 2014 16:27:52 Russ Allbery wrote: Ean Schuessler e...@brainfood.com writes: I am actually for the CoC. My complaint is that the GR does not require a