Re: Being part of a community and behaving

2014-11-14 Thread Josselin Mouette
The Wanderer wande...@fastmail.fm wrote: I find that interesting. I recall being told that, while it is technically possible to compile and use GNOME without systemd - specifically, without libpam-systemd and its backend infrastructure - doing so now loses

Re: Being part of a community and behaving

2014-11-14 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, Miles Fidelman: Personally, I think Ian's statement is spot on. [...] The stream of negative reactions is even more revealing of the state to which the community has devolved. Ah. In other words, basically, denying that a conspiracy is going on is in itself a confirmation of the

Re: Being part of a community and behaving

2014-11-14 Thread Olav Vitters
On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 10:01:39AM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote: The Wanderer wande...@fastmail.fm wrote: I find that interesting. I recall being told that, while it is technically possible to compile and use GNOME without systemd - specifically, without

Re: Being part of a community and behaving

2014-11-14 Thread Miles Fidelman
Matthias Urlichs wrote: Hi, Miles Fidelman: Personally, I think Ian's statement is spot on. [...] The stream of negative reactions is even more revealing of the state to which the community has devolved. Ah. In other words, basically, denying that a conspiracy is going on is in itself a

Re: Being part of a community and behaving

2014-11-14 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, Miles Fidelman: arrogance, a couple of developers with an agenda and salaries behind them, I fail to see what's so evil about getting paid for developing free software. And: OF COURSE they have an agenda. Getting systemd deployed as widely as possible means less work for everbody,

Re: Thanks Russ for all your hard work

2014-11-14 Thread Amaya
Andreas Tille wrote: I just feel the need to express my deep thanks to all your work in Debian specifically in the endless systemd debate. While I'm personally very neutral and just expect my computer to boot (which it does with systemd) I really appreciate all your sensible and always