❦ 19 mai 2016 18:04 +0100, Ian Jackson :
>> b) many upstreams appear frustrated about getting their package
>> officially supported in Debian. Sometimes there is good reason their
>> package doesn't belong in Debian but sometimes it is more about inertia
>> in Debian or the upstream isn't aware
❦ 19 mai 2016 16:39 GMT, Bas Wijnen :
> Debian stable is for users who want a rock solid system. It is out of date by
> the nature of how it is built. Users who want to get the newest versions of
> their software should not be running stable; testing is probably better for
> them.
testing is
On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 04:39:24PM +, Bas Wijnen wrote:
> > Hell, teams packaging Mozilla-soft and PostgreSQL are DDs maintaining
> > *external archives* because it's easier.
>
> This indicates that our procedures are too hard. That needs to be fixed.
> Maybe people from those teams are readi
Paul Tagliamonte writes ("Re: third-party packages adding apt sources"):
> [cc'ing devel, since this is a rant that involves technical topics, and
> god knows I only go on so many rants a year these days]
I think you may have only BCC'd -devel, or something.
> > Sometimes there is good reason th
Bas Wijnen writes ("Re: third-party packages adding apt sources"):
> On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 07:15:01PM +0200, Daniel Pocock wrote:
> > Another thing comes to mind: making sure that even if the user
> > explicitly allows some other repository, they are protected from package
> > updates that come a
Daniel Pocock writes:
> Another thing comes to mind: making sure that even if the user
> explicitly allows some other repository, they are protected from package
> updates that come along and replace other things like apt itself, libc,
> bash, gnupg, ...
While this would be nice to prevent accid
Daniel Pocock writes ("Re: third-party packages adding apt sources"):
> On 19/05/16 19:04, Ian Jackson wrote:
> > Debian proper has a very high bar for inclusion. Obviously there are
> > perhaps some packages which are close to suitable for inclusion, but
> > the vast majority of things that aren'
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On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 07:15:01PM +0200, Daniel Pocock wrote:
> Another thing comes to mind: making sure that even if the user
> explicitly allows some other repository, they are protected from package
> updates that come along and replace other thing
On 05/19/2016 06:18 PM, Daniel Pocock wrote:
More and more frequently I'm encountering systems where third-party
repositories have been added into /etc/apt/sources.list or
/etc/apt/sources.list.d, usually put there by some .deb package that a
user installed from some third party site.
Hey, Th
On 19/05/16 19:04, Ian Jackson wrote:
> Daniel Pocock writes ("third-party packages adding apt sources"):
>> b) many upstreams appear frustrated about getting their package
>> officially supported in Debian. Sometimes there is good reason their
>> package doesn't belong in Debian but sometimes i
Daniel Pocock writes ("third-party packages adding apt sources"):
> b) many upstreams appear frustrated about getting their package
> officially supported in Debian. Sometimes there is good reason their
> package doesn't belong in Debian but sometimes it is more about inertia
> in Debian or the up
On 2016-05-19 17:39, Bas Wijnen wrote:
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On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 11:46:53AM -0400, Paul Tagliamonte wrote:
[cc'ing devel, since this is a rant that involves technical topics,
and
god knows I only go on so many rants a year these days]
You didn't a
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On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 11:46:53AM -0400, Paul Tagliamonte wrote:
> [cc'ing devel, since this is a rant that involves technical topics, and
> god knows I only go on so many rants a year these days]
You didn't actually do this.
> > Sometimes there is
On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 08:45:09AM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:
> I don't think we can provide that inside Debian, at least without some
> pretty significant changes to how we handle stable releases that are
> contrary to some of our goals for stable.
I think I heard someone saying "PPA" or such…
;
[cc'ing devel, since this is a rant that involves technical topics, and
god knows I only go on so many rants a year these days]
On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 05:18:28PM +0200, Daniel Pocock wrote:
> b) many upstreams appear frustrated about getting their package
> officially supported in Debian.
Yeah,
Daniel Pocock writes:
> b) many upstreams appear frustrated about getting their package
> officially supported in Debian. Sometimes there is good reason their
> package doesn't belong in Debian but sometimes it is more about inertia
> in Debian or the upstream isn't aware about backports and thi
More and more frequently I'm encountering systems where third-party
repositories have been added into /etc/apt/sources.list or
/etc/apt/sources.list.d, usually put there by some .deb package that a
user installed from some third party site.
There are a few things going on here:
a) the .deb forma
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