Re: Conflict escalation and discipline

2018-04-19 Thread Martín Ferrari
Well, this conversation that is very important and relevant for me, reaches me in a bad moment. So expuse my slow replies, please. On 18/04/18 17:17, Ian Jackson wrote: > Lars Wirzenius writes ("Re: Conflict escalation and discipline"): >> "Debian emotional support group", maybe. > > I find this

Re: Conflict escalation and discipline

2018-04-19 Thread Holger Levsen
On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 09:46:03PM +0200, Martin Steigerwald wrote: > If there would be one clear rule, I´d say: Never ever attack a person. > Harmlessness with each other goes a long, long way. > > Wrongdoing someone who probably did something that did not serve the > project or another

Re: Debian trademark, EAN, proposed letter, SPI heads-up

2018-04-19 Thread Ian Jackson
Alvaro Herrera writes ("Re: Debian trademark, EAN, proposed letter, SPI heads-up"): > Ian Jackson wrote: > > There's one bugfix: "the the" should read "the". > > No bugfix for "anticpate" or "predjudice"? Thanks for the proofreading :-). I have run it through a spillchucker too. > (I also

Re: Debian trademark, EAN, proposed letter, SPI heads-up

2018-04-19 Thread Alvaro Herrera
Ian Jackson wrote: > That's right. For your convenience my mail > Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2018 13:53:34 +0100 > quoted the thing again. > There's one bugfix: "the the" should read "the". No bugfix for "anticpate" or "predjudice"? (I also wonder about "Nor do ... do so on Debian's behalf". Looks

Re: Debian trademark, EAN, proposed letter, SPI heads-up

2018-04-19 Thread Chris Lamb
Ian, > > Thanks for running with this. I am happy with the content and with > > your name at the bottom. > > > > (Happy to sign it too if that's needed or helpful for whatever > > reason.) > > It might make it more convincing if you were to sign it, indeed. It's likely to save a pointless

Re: Debian trademark, EAN, proposed letter, SPI heads-up

2018-04-19 Thread Martin Michlmayr
* Ian Jackson [2018-04-19 16:38]: > > Just to make sure we're on the same page, you're talking about the > > draft letter you posted 31 Aug 2017 15:19:18. There have been no > > changes since that post, right? > > That's right. For your convenience my mail >

Re: Debian trademark, EAN, proposed letter, SPI heads-up

2018-04-19 Thread Ian Jackson
Martin Michlmayr writes ("Re: Debian trademark, EAN, proposed letter, SPI heads-up"): > Ian Jackson [2018-04-19 13:53]: > > SPI: are you willing to have the SPI Secretary sign this letter ? If > > Just to make sure we're on the same page, you're talking about

Re: Debian trademark, EAN, proposed letter, SPI heads-up

2018-04-19 Thread Martin Michlmayr
* Ian Jackson [2018-04-19 13:53]: > SPI: are you willing to have the SPI Secretary sign this letter ? If Just to make sure we're on the same page, you're talking about the draft letter you posted 31 Aug 2017 15:19:18. There have been no changes since that post,

Re: Conflict escalation and discipline

2018-04-19 Thread Martin Steigerwald
Colin Watson - 19.04.18, 01:42: > On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 09:28:44PM +0200, Martin Steigerwald wrote: > > Did I get this right that you think that a person can be a problem > > that possibly would have to be removed from the project? > > > > If so I heavily disagree with that. > > It's an action

Re: Debian trademark, EAN, proposed letter, SPI heads-up

2018-04-19 Thread Ian Jackson
Chris Lamb writes ("Re: Debian trademark, EAN, proposed letter, SPI heads-up"): > Hi Ian, > > Chris, are you now content ? Would you be happy with me putting > > my name on the bottom ofthis letter ? > > Thanks for running with this. I am happy with the content and with > your name at the

Re: Debian trademark, EAN, proposed letter, SPI heads-up

2018-04-19 Thread Chris Lamb
Hi Ian, > Chris, are you now content ? Would you be happy with me putting > my name on the bottom ofthis letter ? Thanks for running with this. I am happy with the content and with your name at the bottom. (Happy to sign it too if that's needed or helpful for whatever reason.) Best wishes,

Re: Debian trademark, EAN, proposed letter, SPI heads-up

2018-04-19 Thread Ian Jackson
Ian Jackson writes ("Debian trademark, EAN, proposed letter, SPI heads-up"): > We (Debian, me specifically) are about to ask Free Software > Conservancy for legal advice - specifically whether there is anything > wrong with this proposed letter. I am picking this up again now after a long delay.

Re: Request for official help

2018-04-19 Thread Ian Jackson
MENGUAL Jean-Philippe writes ("Re: Request for official help"): > Did I miss something about this topic? Any news? I'm sorry, I dropped this. Please do hassle me if you don't hear more in the next week. Ian.

Re: Conflict escalation and discipline

2018-04-19 Thread Chris Lamb
Dear fellow developers, > > That's certainly true. I thought of these ideas: > > What about [..] I would agree that the current name for the Anti-Harrassment team is sub-optimal and that names & words are uniquely powerful tools at our disposal. I can think of many historical examples in

Re: Conflict escalation and discipline

2018-04-19 Thread Joerg Jaspert
On 15011 March 1977, Ian Jackson wrote: > * Where appropriate, recommend action to: DAM, TC, listmaster, IRC >operators, DPL. Information about the situation would be provided >by the disputes team to the gatekeeper team; but the gatekeeper >team would not be expected to make its

Re: Conflict escalation and discipline

2018-04-19 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Wed, 18 Apr 2018, Ian Jackson wrote: > > This implies to me that, at the least, "anti-harassment" is the wrong > > name for a team that deals with this. > > That's certainly true. I thought of these ideas: What about def...@debian.org ? You write to them when you are about to explode and