Re: FW: [External] Re: ThinkPad laptops preinstalled Linux

2020-06-05 Thread Paul Wise
On Fri, Jun 5, 2020 at 7:46 PM Philip Hands wrote: > Of course, Grml isn't a direct output of the Debian project, so perhaps > people might take issue with having that as the "Debian Recovery > Option", but it is closely based on Debian, and includes a couple of > ways of installing vanilla Debian

Re: FW: [External] Re: ThinkPad laptops preinstalled Linux

2020-06-05 Thread Philip Hands
Mark Pearson writes: >>> 3. Rescue partition >>> >>> Laptop manufacturers usually don't ship with physical media anymore. >>> Instead, the laptops have a rescue partition on them for >>> re-installing/resetting the machine. >>> >>> As far as I know both installers we currently use in Debian are f

Re: [External] Re: ThinkPad laptops preinstalled Linux

2020-06-05 Thread Martin
On 2020-06-05 12:12, Mark Pearson wrote: > You will be able to buy a Linux system > (albeit not Debian) soon. That's fine with me! If a notebook computer works with any Linux, I'm confident, that I/someone can put Debian on it!

Re: Debian hardware support and enablement for newer devices (was ThinkPad laptops preinstalled Linux)

2020-06-05 Thread Noah Meyerhans
On Fri, Jun 05, 2020 at 12:26:12PM +0200, Ansgar wrote: > > > As a project, how can we improve the current entry level to new > > > companies wanting support for their devices? > > > > Is the backports archive not sufficient for this? I see it doesn't > > contain mesa backports at this point and p

Re: [External] Re: ThinkPad laptops preinstalled Linux

2020-06-05 Thread Mark Pearson
Hi Martin On 6/5/2020 11:03 AM, Martin wrote: On 2020-06-03 13:39, Mark Pearson wrote: I'm the linux technical lead at Lenovo for the PC team and I'd *love* to improve the Debian experience on Lenovo platforms. Very welcome! Just to add some praise here: I'm using X220 at home and X220 at w

Re: [External] Re: ThinkPad laptops preinstalled Linux

2020-06-05 Thread Mark Pearson
Hi Marc On 6/5/2020 9:51 AM, Marc Haber wrote: On Fri, Jun 05, 2020 at 09:13:39AM -0400, Mark Pearson wrote: On 6/5/2020 5:03 AM, Pirate Praveen wrote: While we're asking for rainbow colored unicorns here, I'd love the Lenovo support organiation to be a little less bitchy when one admits usin

Re: [External] Re: ThinkPad laptops preinstalled Linux

2020-06-05 Thread Mark Pearson
Hi Paul On 6/5/2020 9:28 AM, Paul Wise wrote: On Fri, Jun 5, 2020 at 1:20 PM Mark Pearson wrote: I haven't so far got as far as thinking about the backporting stage so I probably need more education there. My goal so far has been to get fixes from upstream into sid so that Debian users can pic

Re: [External] Re: ThinkPad laptops preinstalled Linux

2020-06-05 Thread Martin
On 2020-06-03 13:39, Mark Pearson wrote: > I'm the linux technical lead at Lenovo for the PC team and I'd *love* to > improve the Debian experience on Lenovo platforms. Very welcome! Just to add some praise here: I'm using X220 at home and X220 at work, one with Debian testing, one with Debian s

Re: [External] Re: ThinkPad laptops preinstalled Linux

2020-06-05 Thread Pirate Praveen
On Fri, Jun 5, 2020 at 9:13 am, Mark Pearson wrote: Hi Pirate On 6/5/2020 5:03 AM, Pirate Praveen wrote: Hi Mark, I also use a Thinkpad (X240) with Debian unstable, it mostly work except for some issues with touchpad and suspend (touchpad stops working after resuming from suspend

Re: [External] Re: ThinkPad laptops preinstalled Linux

2020-06-05 Thread Marc Haber
On Fri, Jun 05, 2020 at 09:13:39AM -0400, Mark Pearson wrote: > On 6/5/2020 5:03 AM, Pirate Praveen wrote: > > I also use a Thinkpad (X240) with Debian unstable, it mostly work except > > for some issues with touchpad and suspend (touchpad stops working after > > resuming from suspend, but I work a

Re: [External] Re: ThinkPad laptops preinstalled Linux

2020-06-05 Thread Paul Wise
On Fri, Jun 5, 2020 at 1:20 PM Mark Pearson wrote: > I haven't so far got as far as thinking about the backporting stage so I > probably need more education there. My goal so far has been to get fixes > from upstream into sid so that Debian users can pick them up from there. It sounds like you ar

Re: [External] Re: ThinkPad laptops preinstalled Linux

2020-06-05 Thread Mark Pearson
Hi Pirate On 6/5/2020 5:03 AM, Pirate Praveen wrote: Hi Mark, I also use a Thinkpad (X240) with Debian unstable, it mostly work except for some issues with touchpad and suspend (touchpad stops working after resuming from suspend, but I work around it using an external mouse). OK - I'll

Re: Debian hardware support and enablement for newer devices (was ThinkPad laptops preinstalled Linux)

2020-06-05 Thread Ansgar
On Thu, 2020-06-04 at 02:31 +, Paul Wise wrote: > > As a project, how can we improve the current entry level to new > > companies wanting support for their devices? > > Is the backports archive not sufficient for this? I see it doesn't > contain mesa backports at this point and probably other

RE: [External] Re: ThinkPad laptops preinstalled Linux

2020-06-05 Thread Pirate Praveen
On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 1:39 pm, Mark Pearson wrote: From my point of view what I've been trying to do is to get more involved so I can contribute/backport fixes directly. I get good insight into what issues impact our platforms and when fixes land upstream. It seems the best way to make co