Re: SUMMARY [Was Re: Fortunes-off - do we need this as a package for Bookworm?]

2022-11-23 Thread Sam Hartman
> "Ansgar" == Ansgar writes: Ansgar> I would very much prefer explicit sexual content over Nazi Ansgar> symbols. So let me make a suggestion: As would I. If anyone wants to work on the challenges of adult content feel free to reach out and I'd be happy to spend some of my time on

Re: SUMMARY [Was Re: Fortunes-off - do we need this as a package for Bookworm?]

2022-11-23 Thread The Wanderer
On 2022-11-23 at 16:16, Ansgar wrote: > On Wed, 2022-11-23 at 12:34 -0700, Sam Hartman wrote: >> It is not necessary, but as I discussed in my long message about >> removing software from Debian, removing creative content from >> Debian has a chilling effect. > > I would very much prefer

Re: SUMMARY [Was Re: Fortunes-off - do we need this as a package for Bookworm?]

2022-11-23 Thread Ansgar
On Wed, 2022-11-23 at 12:34 -0700, Sam Hartman wrote: > It is not necessary, but as I discussed in my long message about > removing software from Debian, removing creative content from Debian > has a chilling effect. I would very much prefer explicit sexual content over Nazi symbols. So let me

Re: ITA: fortunes-mod (was: SUMMARY [Was Re: Fortunes-off - do we need this as a package for Bookworm?])

2022-11-23 Thread Sam Hartman
> "Andrew" == Andrew M A Cater writes: Andrew> On Wed, Nov 23, 2022 at 03:05:29PM -0600, G. Branden Robinson wrote: >> [I'm using the pseudonymous respondent's message to reply to >> Mr. Cater as well. Mind the angle brackets for quotation >> context.] >> >> At

Re: ITA: fortunes-mod (was: SUMMARY [Was Re: Fortunes-off - do we need this as a package for Bookworm?])

2022-11-23 Thread Sam Hartman
n> "G" == G Branden Robinson writes: G> Neither you nor he, therefore, is well placed to present a G> (presumptively neutral) summary of the discussion. (Neither am G> I.) Branden, I'd like to push back on the idea that we want a summary from someone neutral. If we have that

Re: ITA: fortunes-mod (was: SUMMARY [Was Re: Fortunes-off - do we need this as a package for Bookworm?])

2022-11-23 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
On Wed, Nov 23, 2022 at 03:05:29PM -0600, G. Branden Robinson wrote: > [I'm using the pseudonymous respondent's message to reply to Mr. Cater > as well. Mind the angle brackets for quotation context.] > > At 2022-11-23T14:14:38-0500, The Wanderer wrote: > > On 2022-11-23 at 13:06, Andrew M.A.

Alternate Summary: Fortunes-off - do we need this as a package

2022-11-23 Thread Sam Hartman
I call out one area where I think additional discussion is valuable; see after the underscores. I'd like to thank Andrew for posting his summary of the discussion. As I have said over the years, I think such summaries are a critical part of driving discussions forward. I didn't ever get a chance

ITA: fortunes-mod (was: SUMMARY [Was Re: Fortunes-off - do we need this as a package for Bookworm?])

2022-11-23 Thread G. Branden Robinson
[I'm using the pseudonymous respondent's message to reply to Mr. Cater as well. Mind the angle brackets for quotation context.] At 2022-11-23T14:14:38-0500, The Wanderer wrote: > On 2022-11-23 at 13:06, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > > Thank you for your considered opinions thus far. We have various

Re: SUMMARY [Was Re: Fortunes-off - do we need this as a package for Bookworm?]

2022-11-23 Thread Diederik de Haas
On Wednesday, 23 November 2022 19:06:33 CET Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > If Debian doesn't distribute fortune files but instead provides the means > for users to make/download their own choice, nothing is lost. Debian is > not responsible for maintaining any file content, whether questionable > or

Upcoming stable point release (11.6)

2022-11-23 Thread Adam D. Barratt
Hi, The next point release for "bullseye" (11.6) is scheduled for Saturday, December 17th. Processing of new uploads into bullseye-proposed-updates will be frozen during the preceding weekend. Regards, Adam

Re: SUMMARY [Was Re: Fortunes-off - do we need this as a package for Bookworm?]

2022-11-23 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
On Wed, Nov 23, 2022 at 02:14:38PM -0500, The Wanderer wrote: > On 2022-11-23 at 13:06, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > > > A serious suggestion: it is not necessary for Debian to package > > fortune files at all. > > I find this suggestion demotivating and discouraging. > > > The single collection

Re: SUMMARY [Was Re: Fortunes-off - do we need this as a package for Bookworm?]

2022-11-23 Thread Sam Hartman
> "Andrew" == Andrew M A Cater writes: Andrew> All, Thank you for your considered opinions thus far. We Andrew> have various developers who have written defending free Andrew> speech: we've had others who have expressed various Andrew> reservations with one aspect or other

Re: SUMMARY [Was Re: Fortunes-off - do we need this as a package for Bookworm?]

2022-11-23 Thread The Wanderer
On 2022-11-23 at 13:06, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > All, > > Thank you for your considered opinions thus far. We have various > developers who have written defending free speech: we've had others > who have expressed various reservations with one aspect or other of > the status quo. > > There's

SUMMARY [Was Re: Fortunes-off - do we need this as a package for Bookworm?]

2022-11-23 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
All, Thank you for your considered opinions thus far. We have various developers who have written defending free speech: we've had others who have expressed various reservations with one aspect or other of the status quo. There's been a grudging consensus that this is *hard*. It's very hard