Re: Problems with NM Front Desk

2010-07-06 Thread Frans Pop
On Tuesday 06 July 2010, Don Armstrong wrote: > The FD can say that someone isn't ready to enter the NM process, > though, and then provide specific suggestions as to how they can > demonstrate to the FD that they are ready to enter the NM process. I'm not disagreeing with that. But that's a compl

Re: Problems with NM Front Desk

2010-07-06 Thread Frans Pop
On Tuesday 06 July 2010, Don Armstrong wrote: > On Tue, 06 Jul 2010, Frans Pop wrote: > > Is it actually OK for FD to "demand" that candidates go through DM > > before applying for DD, or as part of the NM process? > > If the FD isn't fairly confident that someo

Re: Problems with NM Front Desk

2010-07-06 Thread Frans Pop
On Tuesday 06 July 2010, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > I can't speak for the NM team, but if he was asked to go through DM > first (and that's what I understood), I could understand that his NM > application got removed for now. This is the thing I'm having some problem with in the discussion so far.

Re: On terminology

2010-07-06 Thread Frans Pop
On Tuesday 06 July 2010, Mehdi Dogguy wrote: > DMs and DDs are maintainers and in some cases, DMs are also uploaders. > "Debian Contributor" seems nice enough, as Christoph Berg already > suggested. So where would that leave translators, art people, etc, etc. Aren't they "contributing" to? "Contri

Re: debian-private declassification team (looking for one)

2010-06-25 Thread Frans Pop
On Saturday 26 June 2010, Don Armstrong wrote: > My own opinion is that we've done this backwards, and that everything > on -private modulo vacation messages and posts explicitely marked with > a header indicating that they shouldn't be declassified should be > declassified automatically after thre

Re: debian-private declassification team (looking for one)

2010-06-25 Thread Frans Pop
On Friday 25 June 2010, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: > I'm not sure I understand against *what* exactly you're arguing; nor it > is clear to me whether you are proposing a different course of action > than the status quo. > > The vote is there and we cannot change the past [...] I would welcome a new

Re: debian-private declassification team (looking for one)

2010-05-22 Thread Frans Pop
On Saturday 22 May 2010, martin f krafft wrote: > How about making archive chunks available e.g. at monthly periods > and telling people they have 2 months to voice objections before the > stuff is simply disclosed. Those people who don't want their stuff > disclosed are the ones that should be doi

Re: Invite to join the Release Team

2010-03-14 Thread Frans Pop
On Sunday 14 March 2010, Gerfried Fuchs wrote: > * Frans Pop [2010-03-14 16:09:34 CET]: > > [1] I think release management for (old)stable is being handled quite > > well ATM. > > While this might be true and valid for stable, I am not too convinced > that the last po

Re: Invite to join the Release Team

2010-03-14 Thread Frans Pop
On Sunday 14 March 2010, Clint Adams wrote: > Okay, so when there is a mysterious release team meeting in Cambridge, > and there is no discussion or planning of it on debian-release [...] Clint, Although to some level I agree with you [1], I wonder if you could explain one thing. That meeting t

teams.debian.{net,org}

2010-02-17 Thread Frans Pop
What's up with teams.debian.net? Looks like the server is down. Has it been abandoned (if yes, what's happened to the archives there)? Or has it maybe been moved to teams.debian.org, which does exist on liszt but with a home page that does not give any useful info. Is it still possible to creat

Re: Debian 5 Floppy

2010-02-01 Thread Frans Pop
On Monday 01 February 2010, Manuel Navarrete Hidalgo wrote: > I am looking for Debian download format floppy disk, but i can not find. Installation from floppy is no longer supported because current Debian kernel images no longer fit on on a single floppy. You'll have to use some other installat

Re: Dinstall status

2010-02-01 Thread Frans Pop
Joerg, On Sunday 20 December 2009, Joerg Jaspert wrote: > If you are one of the majority of people that have no access to Debians > ftp-master host, but still do want to know in which state our main > archive update, the dinstall run, is: > http://ftp-master.debian.org/dinstall.status to the rescu

Re: Closed lists as maintainers

2009-12-29 Thread Frans Pop
On Tuesday 29 December 2009, Ben Hutchings wrote: > I believe this configuration is unacceptable, but would like to check > that there is a consensus on this before pressing the matter with the > GRUB maintainers. I agree, but it's hardly a new issue. For grub it's been this way for years and the

Re: let's add news.debian.net to planet.d.o (!?)

2009-12-07 Thread Frans Pop
On Monday 07 December 2009, Michael Goetze wrote: > IANADD, and don't generally have time to keep up with the d-d mailing > list, so I would just like to say that for me personally it would be a > great improvement to the Planet if this Feed were added. It sometimes > seems rather hard to keep up w

Re: Debian Maintainers Keyring changes

2009-11-01 Thread Frans Pop
On Sunday 01 November 2009, Debian FTP Masters wrote: > The following changes to the debian-maintainers keyring have just been > activated: > > E: Can't load keyring > /srv/keyring.debian.org/keyrings/debian-maintainers.gpg from database I suspect this was not supposed to happen ;-) -- To UNSUB

Re: Debian money

2009-09-10 Thread Frans Pop
On Thursday 10 September 2009, Giacomo A. Catenazzi wrote: > It is useful not only for Debian, so IMHO Debian could donate some > money, but only if other big distributions (RedHat, SuSe/Novel, Ubuntu, > etc.) do the same. Even then not IMO. Those other distributions are commercial, Debian is not

Re: Debian money

2009-09-10 Thread Frans Pop
On Thursday 10 September 2009, Frans Pop wrote: > >  6 Fund other related projects > > > >    b Gnash. Petter is very keen on this, but I'm not so sure. Don't > >      they have other ways to get funding? Thoughts? > > I don't think Debian as a project

Re: Debian money

2009-09-10 Thread Frans Pop
On Thursday 10 September 2009, Steve McIntyre wrote: > 5 Pay people to do stuff we don't/can't/won't: g website redesign and restructuring This is something we seem unable to make any progress at and that is very much overdue. Especially the restructuring part would invo

Re: Switching the default startup method

2009-08-24 Thread Frans Pop
On Monday 24 August 2009, Bernd Zeimetz wrote: > When was it uploaded to experimental? > When was there a call to test the new things while they're in > experimental? This is NOT the way really important parts of Debian > should be maintained. I'm no fan of insserv (I have the new sysv-rc on hold

Re: Debian redesign

2009-08-01 Thread Frans Pop
On Saturday 01 August 2009, Holger Levsen wrote: > On Donnerstag, 30. Juli 2009, Frans Pop wrote: > > > One that will make a statement that women in Debian should always > > > wear deep cleavages, and men in Debian have sex with their laptops. > > > Nice...

Re: Debian decides to adopt time-based release freezes

2009-07-30 Thread Frans Pop
On Friday 31 July 2009, Steve Langasek wrote: > I don't believe the kind of coarse synchronization that's been proposed > for the releases would make Debian<->Ubuntu crossgrades significantly > easier. Most of the local changes that Ubuntu has today would still > apply, and there are rebuilt binari

Re: Debian redesign

2009-07-30 Thread Frans Pop
On Thursday 30 July 2009, Margarita Manterola wrote: > On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 11:21 AM, Cyril Brulebois wrote: > > We discussed that quite extensively with Guido during last dinner, > > and I totally share his opinion. Sounds like a very well performed > > marketing campaign. Again: thanks, Agnie

Re: Debian decides to adopt time-based release freezes

2009-07-30 Thread Frans Pop
On Thursday 30 July 2009, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > On Thu, 30 Jul 2009, Frans Pop wrote: > > Both the Etch and Lenny releases did clearly show this, and the > > success of both releases (Etch more than Lenny IMO) is largely thanks > > to flexible starts of the incremental f

Re: Debian decides to adopt time-based release freezes

2009-07-30 Thread Frans Pop
On Thursday 30 July 2009, Teemu Likonen wrote: > Debian > == - The completely voluntary nature of the project does not really lend itself to hard timelines. If it turns out on the planned date of the freeze that there are still major issues open, we need to be flexible enough to delay th

Re: Debian decides to adopt time-based release freezes

2009-07-30 Thread Frans Pop
On Thursday 30 July 2009, Thomas Viehmann wrote: > After the talk Bdale commented about the length of the freeze and the > made observation (actually had a "complaint") that the length of the > freeze is something were not the release team, but the project at large > should ask itself what to do be

Re: Debian decides to adopt time-based release freezes

2009-07-30 Thread Frans Pop
On Thursday 30 July 2009, Marc Haber wrote: > I don't think that we shouldn't time our releases according to what > Mark Shuttleworth says. We are not Ubuntu's slave even if they try > hard to make it look like that. > > Our 18-to-24-month release cycle was a nice vehicle to stay > asynchronous wit

Re: Debian decides to adopt time-based release freezes

2009-07-28 Thread Frans Pop
On Wednesday 29 July 2009, Meike Reichle wrote: > The Debian project has decided to adopt a new policy of time-based > development freezes for future releases, on a two-year cycle. Disappointing to see such an announcement without any prior discussion on d-project, d-devel or d-vote. Some explana

Re: Re-thinking Debian membership - take #1: inactivity

2009-07-22 Thread Frans Pop
On Wednesday 22 July 2009, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: > --- > > * DDs which are not active for 2 years or more automatically loose >   vote and upload rights. s/loose/lose/ I guess in practice that means: have their key removed fr

Re: DAM and NEW queues processing

2009-07-17 Thread Frans Pop
On Friday 17 July 2009, Mark Brown wrote: > Right, it appears to be trying to make sure that someone might possibly > run into in Debian has been covered.  Like I say, this is a large part > of my problem with it at this point - I don't think that is an > achievable or useful goal and it does lock

Re: New Debian Developers in 2008

2009-06-25 Thread Frans Pop
On Thursday 25 June 2009, Frans Pop wrote: > This is the second mail in a short series providing an overview of > people who became Debian Developer in the past but have not been > welcomed to the project on this list before. I just see I missed Barry deFreese in this overview.

New Debian Developers in first half of 2009

2009-06-25 Thread Frans Pop
This is the last mail in a short series providing an overview of people who became Debian Developer in the past but have not been welcomed to the project on this list before. Because this was some time ago, I'm not including the short introductions normally found in these mails. Instead there is a

New Debian Developers in 2008

2009-06-25 Thread Frans Pop
This is the second mail in a short series providing an overview of people who became Debian Developer in the past but have not been welcomed to the project on this list before. Because this was all quite long ago, I'm not including the short introductions normally found in these mails. Instead the

New Debian Developers in 2007

2009-06-25 Thread Frans Pop
This is the first mail in a short series providing an overview of people who became Debian Developer in the past but have not been welcomed to the project on this list before. The overview starts after the last "New Maintainers" mail sent by Mohammed Adnène Trojette in February 2007 [1]. Because t

Re: DAM and NEW queues processing

2009-06-25 Thread Frans Pop
On Wednesday 24 June 2009, Frans Pop wrote: > /me wonders whatever happened to those nice mails listing new DDs that > used to be sent out periodically To cut this discussion short, I hereby volunteer to send out the "New Maintainer" overviews. I'll probably rename them to &

Re: DAM and NEW queues processing

2009-06-25 Thread Frans Pop
On Thursday 25 June 2009, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 06:23:19PM +0200, Frans Pop wrote: > > I can appreciate that, but is it unreasonable to expect the FD to at > > least send a simple overview (list of names) of who have been > > accepted in the proj

Re: DAM queues processing

2009-06-24 Thread Frans Pop
On Wednesday 24 June 2009, Bernd Zeimetz wrote: > FD has mainly two people: Wouter and me. Christoph Berg helps out > sometimes, but has more than enough to do with DAM work. There is no > other FD - they either stepped down or disappeared completely from > Debian. > Would be great to know where F

Re: DAM and NEW queues processing

2009-06-24 Thread Frans Pop
On Wednesday 24 June 2009, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > The second type, the one I believe Frans is referring to, is sent > manually. It takes a lot of work and effort to create it (looking up > the required information, copying and pasting the relevant sections > from the relevant mails, doing some ma

Re: DAM and NEW queues processing

2009-06-24 Thread Frans Pop
On Wednesday 24 June 2009, Cyril Brulebois wrote: > Frans Pop (24/06/2009): > > /me wonders whatever happened to those nice mails listing new DDs > > that used to be sent out periodically > > They still are (see debian-newmaint@, “NM Report for Week ending…”), > b

Re: DAM and NEW queues processing

2009-06-24 Thread Frans Pop
On Wednesday 24 June 2009, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > Describing people like Samuel Thibault or Chris Lamb as "people who are > ready when they enter NM", and therefore implying that if you take more > than 6 months, it's because you were not ready, is just insulting for > all the other applicants who

Re: DAM and NEW queues processing

2009-06-24 Thread Frans Pop
On Wednesday 24 June 2009, Julien Cristau wrote: > (also, on the topic of "people who are ready when they enter NM go > through it fast", > https://nm.debian.org/nmstatus.php?email=samuel.thibault%40ens-lyon.org >) Oh, I had missed that Samuel had become a DD. That's great. Congrats. /me wonders

Re: DAM and NEW queues processing

2009-06-23 Thread Frans Pop
On Tuesday 23 June 2009, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > Chris Lamb benefited from a lot of factors. [...] That sounds a lot like my own NM process. I guess what this proves is that really active people who already have been involved with the problem for a decent time and already have shown both their s

Re: Who uses @packages.d.o mail?

2009-05-23 Thread Frans Pop
On Saturday 23 May 2009, Artur R. Czechowski wrote: > What about requiring a GPG signed email by key in developers or > maintainers keyring? As others have already mentioned, the addresses are also intended as contact point for upstream developers and users, i.e. people who don't have such a key

Re: Who uses @packages.d.o mail?

2009-05-22 Thread Frans Pop
On Friday 22 May 2009, Neil Williams wrote: > Maybe a list of packages that do use it and an address to email for > those who want to start using it at a later date? That would defeat its purpose. It is not about which maintainers use it, but about who uses it to contact maintainers. Cheers, FJP

Re: Who uses @packages.d.o mail?

2009-05-22 Thread Frans Pop
On Friday 22 May 2009, Stephen Gran wrote: > So I've looked through a few weeks of mail logs to packages.debian.org, I always use it to CC the maintainer(s) of a package I reassign a bug to, or if I want to CC a package maintainer on some discussion. For me it's the most natural address to use,

Re: state of the DSA nation

2009-05-15 Thread Frans Pop
On Friday 15 May 2009, Peter Palfrader wrote: > On Fri, 15 May 2009, Frans Pop wrote: > > On Friday 15 May 2009, Peter Palfrader wrote: > > > > == s390 == > > > > > > > > we have two porterboxes here. zelenka is new and fast and has > > &

Re: state of the DSA nation

2009-05-15 Thread Frans Pop
On Friday 15 May 2009, Peter Palfrader wrote: > > == s390 == > > > > we have two porterboxes here. zelenka is new and fast and has nice > > network but is a little short on disk space. raptor has more > > diskspace but the network is too restricted - we can't even get to > > our puppet master fro

Re: where are all Debian SPARC install CDs/DVDs?

2009-04-17 Thread Frans Pop
On Saturday 18 April 2009, Marcello Di Marino Azevedo wrote: > Hello, I'm not sure this is the correct list to ask this but I was > askedto install Debian on a Sparc machine but not all CDs/DVDs are > available to download under main download server. > > Looking at: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian

Re: Issue during compilation

2009-04-10 Thread Frans Pop
On Friday 10 April 2009, Thomas Nguyen Van wrote: > Package perl is not installed. > Below my perl's list installed on my machine: Which clearly shows the package "perl" is not installed! Solution: aptitude install perl Please take such questions to the debian-user list in futu

Re: Twittering on planet.d.o?

2009-04-07 Thread Frans Pop
On Tuesday 07 April 2009, Luk Claes wrote: > > These messages have already started to annoy me as > > a) there are relatively a lot of them > > There are only a few per day maximum from me. If there were more that > reached you today it's probably because it contained the whole feed up > to now. I

Twittering on planet.d.o?

2009-04-07 Thread Frans Pop
(Luk BCCed to make sure he sees the thread.) It appears that today either Luk himself or someone else added a "Status" feed to planet.d.o with one-liner info messages about what Luk's up to. These messages have already started to annoy me as a) there are relatively a lot of them b) they don't re

Re: state of the DSA nation

2009-03-28 Thread Frans Pop
On Saturday 28 March 2009, Peter Palfrader wrote: > [note to -project readers: this mail was written with -admin as an > intended audience in mind and not you, but I figured I'd CC you > anyways. Please excuse the style and terseness of some items.] Thanks! It's nice to have some sort of idea

Re: Wish list regarding install

2009-03-14 Thread Frans Pop
On Sunday 15 March 2009, m...@iglou.com wrote: > In the future, it would be very, very, very, very, very nice if there > was an install option to install/reinstall Grub. Currently, the > install process will not install/reinstall Grub without having the core > packages installed first. I am using

Re: Debian Membership

2009-03-14 Thread Frans Pop
On Saturday 14 March 2009, Enrico Zini wrote: > Yes, and there are cheaper ways than getting the black hat to become a > full DD: with a thousand of DDs we have a thousand possibly vulnerable > points of entry. Frankly, if anyone wanted to attack Debian, they'd > have to be remarkably silly to pla

Re: Debian Membership

2009-03-14 Thread Frans Pop
On Saturday 14 March 2009, Micah Anderson wrote: > All of this is just fun wingnut ramblings, but I think serves to > illustrate that the artificial barrier imposed by the arduous NM > process is not that significant of a difficulty for getting inside > Debian and we cannot use this as mechanism fo

Re: Debian Membership

2009-03-14 Thread Frans Pop
On Saturday 14 March 2009, Leo 'costela' Antunes wrote: > IMHO that's a false notion of "security through laziness" :). Black hats are lazy too. They go after easy targets for maximum profit. Getting into Debian currently takes a certain amount of demonstrated dedication to the project through ac

Re: Debian Membership

2009-03-14 Thread Frans Pop
On Saturday 14 March 2009, Matthew Johnson wrote: > Being part of the project, particularly with upload rights, is > something I believe _should_ be difficult. This restriction on access > to the archive is one of our strengths, it gives us a higher quality of > packaging (yes, there are exceptions

Re: Question about the amount of security updates available

2009-02-16 Thread Frans Pop
On Monday 16 February 2009, Thomas Nguyen Van wrote: > deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free ^^ That was exactly the problem. Your modified version looks correct. Cheers, FJP -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ.

Re: Question about the amount of security updates available

2009-02-16 Thread Frans Pop
On Monday 16 February 2009, Thomas Nguyen Van wrote: > In our company, we hourly check security updates via the command > "apt-get update" for several months. You may have noticed that Lenny was released this weekend. It seems to me that your /etc/apt/sources.list is probably not set up correctly

Re: Spamming the World through Open Debian Mailinglists (Re: lists.debian.org has received bounces from you)

2009-01-27 Thread Frans Pop
On Tuesday 27 January 2009, Simon Huggins wrote: > > They don't contain much information and don't talk about thresholds > > Thank you for fixing these to actually have information in them now. > > 1 bounce out of 190 mails in 7 days (0%, kick-score is 80%) > > Might I suggest you only send th

Re: Results of the Lenny release GR

2009-01-12 Thread Frans Pop
On Monday 12 January 2009, Robert Millan wrote: > Nope. You only got that impression because the ones supporting this > interpretation are the ones making the most noise. Could you please count the number of your posts and compare that to the number of posts from anybody else? Could you also pl

Re: Discussion: Possible GR: Enhance requirements for General Resolutions

2008-12-30 Thread Frans Pop
On Tuesday 30 December 2008, MJ Ray wrote: > I add the outcomes to the start of the line:- > Proposal F chosen > - Proposal F on the last vote; 17 seconds Eh, that's incorrect. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.

Re: Discussion: Possible GR: Enhance requirements for General Resolutions

2008-12-30 Thread Frans Pop
On Tuesday 30 December 2008, Joerg Jaspert wrote: > this will mean that future GRs would need 30 other people to support > your idea. While that does seem a lot (6times more than now), The main reason I'm somewhat uncomfortable with this is that in practice not all 1000 developers participate in

Re: The Unofficial (and Very Simple) Lenny GR: call for votes

2008-12-22 Thread Frans Pop
Sorry for the late reply, but I've been so frustrated with things over the past week that I decided to take a break and see how things worked out first. On Monday 15 December 2008, Adeodato Simó wrote: > * Frans Pop [Mon, 15 Dec 2008 20:09:28 +0100]: > > Because any votes below F

Re: The Unofficial (and Very Simple) Lenny GR: call for votes

2008-12-15 Thread Frans Pop
(Adding -project and including full quote of dato's reply (excluding signature) as that was not sent to that list.) > * Frans Pop [Mon, 15 Dec 2008 18:23:00 +0100]: > > How does this help? The only effect of voting FD on the official vote > > is to play into the hands of thos

Re: The Unofficial (and Very Simple) Lenny GR: call for votes

2008-12-15 Thread Frans Pop
> If you feel disenchanted about how the Lenny GR has been handled and, > in particular, with the resulting ballot and its 7 options, I invite > you to participate in this unofficial vote and, optionally, to show > your discontent by ranking "Further Discussion" above all other options > in the off

Re: More frequent dinstall runs and mirror pushes

2008-12-05 Thread Frans Pop
On Friday 05 December 2008, Joerg Jaspert wrote: > as the subject says, we are planning to increase the frequency of > dinstall[1] runs. Our current plan is to have 4 runs a day, switching > From the current [07|19]:52 schedule to the new [01|07|13|19]:52 > schedule. All times are in UTC. Please b

Re: call for seconds: on firmware

2008-11-16 Thread Frans Pop
On Sunday 16 November 2008, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > I think we can be reasonably sure that the current spate of > discussions is about releasing Lenny. For this action, any of the > ballot options will have a distinct decision; and the ballot should > have _all_ the possible courses of

Re: DEP1: how to do an NMU

2008-06-03 Thread Frans Pop
On Tuesday 03 June 2008, Don Armstrong wrote: > No matter what is done, there is a time limit for the review of > patches which fix RC bugs, whether stated or not. If a maintainer is > unable to respond to a patch for an RC bug in a reasonable timeframe, > they should expect an NMU. It matters litt

Re: DEP1: how to do an NMU

2008-06-03 Thread Frans Pop
On Tuesday 03 June 2008, Bas Wijnen wrote: > I would of course do that. But you do indeed ask me to hide the > package? And after, say, 3 weeks have passed and nothing happened > (which is unlikely, but possible), I can upload it to DELAYED/7? Then > why couldn't I upload to DELAYED/28 in the fi

Re: DEP1: how to do an NMU

2008-06-03 Thread Frans Pop
On Monday 02 June 2008, Bas Wijnen wrote: > > The fundamental thing we disagree on is that you think creating a > > patch and doing an immediate upload to DELAYED is an acceptable > > workflow for any kind of issue. > > Yes. Not recommended, but certainly acceptable. With a long delay, of > cours

Re: DEP1: how to do an NMU

2008-06-02 Thread Frans Pop
On Monday 02 June 2008, Bas Wijnen wrote: > > > No, I don't, I agree with you that this would be unacceptable. > > > > Right, and that is where our opinions _do_ differ fundamentally. > > You don't agree that I agree with you? OK, I misread that. Sorry. The fundamental thing we disagree on is tha

Re: DEP1: how to do an NMU

2008-06-02 Thread Frans Pop
On Monday 02 June 2008, Bas Wijnen wrote: > What is the difference for the maintainer between these? Not the time > required for M; in all cases, the most M needs to do to prevent the NMU > from happening is writing a mail to N (and the BTS). The only > difference is what to say ("please cancel t

Re: DEP1: how to do an NMU

2008-06-02 Thread Frans Pop
On Monday 02 June 2008, Bas Wijnen wrote: > > Basically I and several others have been asking to add something that > > effectively (and more explicitly than in the current proposal) says: > > > >Please consider before you NMU if just contacting the maintainer > > isn't likely to more effective

Re: DEP1: how to do an NMU

2008-05-31 Thread Frans Pop
On Saturday 31 May 2008, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > I also stressed that in the intro, and removed the second paragraph of > the intro, which didn't really add any value. Agreed. > +    * If the maintainer is usually active and responsive, have you > +      tried to contact him? In general it should

Re: DEP1: how to do an NMU

2008-05-31 Thread Frans Pop
On Saturday 31 May 2008, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > So far, you (in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> and > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) and Charles Plessy > (<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) raised that concern. Sure, but Steve Langasek, Manoj and Frank Küster have been voicing what are basically the same con

Re: DEP1: how to do an NMU

2008-05-31 Thread Frans Pop
On Saturday 31 May 2008, Luk Claes wrote: > Ok, though I'd rather have a (strong) recommendation to prod > maintainers (in a team or not), then to special case teams... Sure. For me it is not necessarily about "teams", but more about "active": likely to respond and take care of urgent issues him/

Re: DEP1: how to do an NMU

2008-05-31 Thread Frans Pop
On Saturday 31 May 2008, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > * Have you clearly expressed your intention to NMU, at least on the > BTS? Has the maintainer been notified of it? It is also a good > idea to try to contact the maintainer by other means (private > email, IRC) IMO private mail

Re: DEP1: how to do an NMU

2008-05-31 Thread Frans Pop
On Saturday 31 May 2008, Luk Claes wrote: > > "All members of a team becoming unresponsive" is possible, agreed. > > But it is a hell of a lot less likely than "at least one member of > > the team being able to respond to urgently needed changes if > > appropriately notified". > > So, why should th

Re: DEP1: how to do an NMU

2008-05-31 Thread Frans Pop
On Saturday 31 May 2008, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > > I propose to add "NMUs are usually not appropriate for > > team-maintained packages. Consider sending a patch to the BTS > > instead." to the bullet list. > > It really depends on the team. There are small teams where all members > might become unr

Re: DEP1: Clarifying policies and workflows for Non Maintainer?Uploads (NMUs)

2008-05-30 Thread Frans Pop
On Friday 30 May 2008, Bas Wijnen wrote: > But in the situation you mention above, I don't think there's anything > wrong with actually preparing an NMU (except that you may be wasting > time, but that's your own problem).  So no reasons are needed for it. I find your argumentation rather weak, bu

Re: DEP1: Clarifying policies and workflows for Non Maintainer Uploads (NMUs)

2008-05-30 Thread Frans Pop
On Friday 30 May 2008, Charles Plessy wrote: > the DEP says: > - must use BTS, > - usage of DELAYED is recommended. I would like to see at least two cases where communication with the maintainer is required *before* uploading (DELAYED or not) by sending an "intend to NMU" (conform current poli

Re: KDEquestion

2008-05-22 Thread Frans Pop
On Thursday 22 May 2008 20:33:25 Sergio Franco wrote: > I am completely new to Linux. For long years I was a MacOS user and now I > will move forward. From all I red Debian is the best choice. I downloaded > the Debian/PowerPC_etch FIRST CD and I red with close attention the > “Debian GNU/Linux Ins

Re: Debian 3.1 Sarge

2008-04-21 Thread Frans Pop
On Monday 21 April 2008, Thiemann Daniel wrote: > i am searching für a download link für Debian 3.1 Sarge. Could you help > me, cause i didnt find it. http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ Cheers, FJP signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.

Re: CD purchases

2008-03-11 Thread Frans Pop
D/vendors/#us Please see their web sites for details on pricing and shipping costs. Kind regards, Frans Pop signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.

Re: dopewars do we need such a game in debian distribution?

2008-02-27 Thread Frans Pop
On Wednesday 27 February 2008, Francois Marier wrote: > You have a good point: dopewars, despite being fun to a lot of people, is > not exactly a family-friendly game. I suggest you look at this Debian > sub-project if you are looking for a child-safe distribution: > > http://www.debian.org/devel

Re: violence - take 2

2008-02-04 Thread Frans Pop
On Monday 04 February 2008, Patrick Frank wrote: > Luk Claes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What you post on this list, Luk Claes as reply to my postings is not > constructive in any way. Neither is this. Get lost, will you? Permanently please. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed

Re: RFC: Introducing Debian Enhancement Proposals (DEPs)

2008-01-16 Thread Frans Pop
On Wednesday 16 January 2008, Adeodato Simó wrote: > Lars Wirzenius, Stefano Zacchiroli and myself are trying to introduce > the concept of Debian Enhancement Proposals, which I had in mind for > many months until purely by chance, in the Extremadura QA meeting last > December, I brought it up to L

Re: source-codes complete downloadable ???

2007-12-17 Thread Frans Pop
On Monday 17 December 2007, Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt wrote: > "Carl-Valentin Schmitt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > can I download the sourcecodes of debian packages complete in a > > bundle??? > > No, you can't. A tarball containing all source packages available on > ftp.debian.org would be about

Re: .ISO cd, dvd, jigdo amd64 lenny is not avaliable

2007-12-11 Thread Frans Pop
On Tuesday 11 December 2007, Bruno Emmanuel wrote: > http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/amd64/bt-cd/ > > http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/amd64/iso-cd/ > > .ISO cd, dvd, jigdo amd64 lenny is not avaliable This is a known issue due to some problems with the daily builds

Re: No buildd redundancy for alpha/mips/mipsel

2007-11-29 Thread Frans Pop
On Thursday 29 November 2007, Luk Claes wrote: > On Wed, Nov 28, 2007 at 08:32:40AM +0100, Frans Pop wrote: > > http://release.debian.org/etch_arch_qualify.html lists that alpha, mips > > and mipsel a having buildd redundancy, but that does not seem to match > > reality as bo

Re: No buildd redundancy for alpha/mips/mipsel

2007-11-29 Thread Frans Pop
On Thursday 29 November 2007, Luk Claes wrote: > On Thu, Nov 29, 2007 at 12:01:54PM +0100, Frans Pop wrote: > > On Thursday 29 November 2007, Aurelien Jarno wrote: > > > James Andrewartha a écrit : > > > > Not a buildd, but [1] notes that there's an alpha porti

Re: No buildd redundancy for alpha/mips/mipsel

2007-11-29 Thread Frans Pop
On Thursday 29 November 2007, Aurelien Jarno wrote: > James Andrewartha a écrit : > > Not a buildd, but [1] notes that there's an alpha porting machine > > waiting for more than a year to be set up by DSA. I don't know if > > there's an RT ticket, but there is a bug [2] about this, which was > > cl

No buildd redundancy for alpha/mips/mipsel

2007-11-27 Thread Frans Pop
http://release.debian.org/etch_arch_qualify.html lists that alpha, mips and mipsel a having buildd redundancy, but that does not seem to match reality as both only have a single buildd (alpha: goetz; mips: ball; mipsel: rem). Both mips and mipsel also currently seem to be having problems keeping

Re: Bits from the DPL: DSA and a few other things

2007-11-03 Thread Frans Pop
On Saturday 03 November 2007, Frans Pop wrote: > Could you please explain in what way the addition of a single person to > the existing team (Phil already was DSA, even if not yet in the adm > group) is going to resolve all the huge and structural communication > problems between team

Re: Bits from the DPL: DSA and a few other things

2007-11-03 Thread Frans Pop
way forward, including a word on that other team that is always the subject of controversy and complaints, would be very much appreciated. Thanks, Frans Pop signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.

Re: CDD? (was Re: Bhutan releases Dzongkha Debian Linux)

2007-10-13 Thread Frans Pop
On Saturday 13 October 2007, Philippe Cloutier wrote: > Congratulations, but is this a CDD? AFAIK they aim to be a CDD, but currently they have a number of modified packages, mainly because (program) translations for Dzongkha are not (yet) available in Debian Etch. They also have some minor cust

Re: Latest Stable Debian Release 4.0r1 Etch

2007-10-03 Thread Frans Pop
On Wednesday 03 October 2007, you wrote: > On 10/3/07, Frans Pop <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Wednesday 03 October 2007, Wayne Cam wrote: > > > I searched the whole website, and googled for the Kernel version of > > > Etch, but couldn't find it. > >

Re: Latest Stable Debian Release 4.0r1 Etch

2007-10-03 Thread Frans Pop
On Wednesday 03 October 2007, Wayne Cam wrote: > I searched the whole website, and googled for the Kernel version of Etch, > but couldn't find it. > Could you tell me what linux kernel it is? The obvious document to read is the Release Notes: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-note

Re: New page (for the website) informing about the Debian trademark

2007-07-02 Thread Frans Pop
On Monday 02 July 2007 17:26, Jens Seidel wrote: > comitee or comittee? committee even :-) pgpIUBdnkry1R.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: soc-ctte discussion at DebConf7

2007-07-02 Thread Frans Pop
On Monday 02 July 2007 10:03, MJ Ray wrote: > No. On that, I sympathise with Josip Rodin's views in > http://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2007/06/msg00244.html > that it's not a role listmasters have been wanting or expecting. > I think we need to do something else. For example, list-admins. >

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