Re: A policy on use of AI-generated content in Debian

2024-05-02 Thread G. Branden Robinson
At 2024-05-02T16:31:39-0600, Sam Hartman wrote: >> Generative AI tools **produce** derivatives of other people's >> copyrighted works. > >> That said, we already have the necessary policies in place: > > Russ pointed out this is a fairly complicated claim. > > It is absolutely true that

Re: Request about Debian License

2024-02-06 Thread G. Branden Robinson
Hi there, I'd address you with an honorific and your surname, but I am too ignorant to infer correct ones from the name shown in your email. I'm sorry about that. At 2024-02-06T19:03:41+0900, Jiyoung Wee wrote: > I have a request about Debian License Policy. > > This is our case. > 1. For the

Re: Questionable Package Present in Debian: fortune-mod

2023-08-23 Thread G. Branden Robinson
At 2023-08-23T15:40:06+0100, Adam Sampson wrote: > "Andrew M.A. Cater" writes: > > where are we going to get our fortunes from - where's the canonical > > source now that FreeBSD has gone? > > There is Shlomi Fish's version: > https://github.com/shlomif/fortune-mod/ I've been mulling over

Re: Questionable Package Present in Debian - fortune-mod

2023-08-21 Thread G. Branden Robinson
[self-follow-up] It occurred to me that I need to correct and clarify a couple of points. I'll try to be brief about it, at least relative to my own mean email length, if not the project's. At 2023-08-21T16:51:42-0500, G. Branden Robinson wrote: [...] > When we went around the bl

Re: Questionable Package Present in Debian - fortune-mod

2023-08-21 Thread G. Branden Robinson
[It took me so long to write this that responses from Russ and Steve L. have since come through. I find myself in concord with both messages.] At 2023-08-21T19:02:27+, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > On Mon, Aug 21, 2023 at 05:32:22PM +, Jeremy Stanley wrote: > > On 2023-08-21 20:16:22 +0300

Re: Questionable Package Present in Debian: fortune-mod

2023-08-18 Thread G. Branden Robinson
arbage workers. At 2023-08-18T21:09:11+, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > As the person who raised this on debian-project in November 2022 - see > the archives for debian-project for November/December 2022 [...] > There was unfortunately no consensus on removal on debian-project and

Re: Fortunes-off - do we need this as a package for Bookworm?

2022-12-19 Thread G. Branden Robinson
At 2022-12-18T16:07:28-0600, G. Branden Robinson wrote: > Did you see the part where I ITA-ed fortune-mod? > > No one has yet responded my invitation to be a technical consultant to > save my geriatric packaging skills from embarrassment. This may be > because people are

Re: Fortunes-off - do we need this as a package for Bookworm?

2022-12-18 Thread G. Branden Robinson
At 2022-12-17T19:02:11-, Marco d'Itri wrote: > I have been around long enough to remember when in 2004 a very > prominent developer of Chinese origins ...but in Australia at the time and, I have heard, residing there still. > hurriedly left the project when the d-i (?) team refused to

ITA: fortunes-mod (was: SUMMARY [Was Re: Fortunes-off - do we need this as a package for Bookworm?])

2022-11-23 Thread G. Branden Robinson
[I'm using the pseudonymous respondent's message to reply to Mr. Cater as well. Mind the angle brackets for quotation context.] At 2022-11-23T14:14:38-0500, The Wanderer wrote: > On 2022-11-23 at 13:06, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > > Thank you for your considered opinions thus far. We have various

Re: Fortunes-off - do we need this as a package for Bookworm?

2022-11-21 Thread G. Branden Robinson
At 2022-11-21T07:58:29-0700, Sam Hartman wrote: > >>>>> "G" == G Branden Robinson writes: > > G> By your metric, so is the Hebrew Bible. For all the slaughter, > G> xenophobia, and ethno-religious supremacism in it, there's some > G> good

Re: Fortunes-off - do we need this as a package for Bookworm?

2022-11-21 Thread G. Branden Robinson
Hi Jonathan, Thank you for stepping forward to present yourself for potential criticism in a discussion forum. Unfortunately that is the only laudable aspect I can locate in your message. At 2022-11-21T15:39:24+, Jonathan Dowland wrote: > On Mon, Nov 21, 2022 at 12:07:53AM +0100, Michael

Re: Fortunes-off - do we need this as a package for Bookworm?

2022-11-20 Thread G. Branden Robinson
At 2022-11-21T03:10:27+0100, Roberto A. Foglietta wrote: > Please, keep in mind that in Germany the nazi propaganda is out-of-law > but in some other countires out-of-law is the use of the name of the > profet (whoever he is). So, law compliance might not be as easy as you > pretend to be unless

Re: Fortunes-off - do we need this as a package for Bookworm?

2022-11-20 Thread G. Branden Robinson
At 2022-11-20T15:34:51-0800, Steve Langasek wrote: > On Sun, Nov 20, 2022 at 12:28:59PM -0600, G. Branden Robinson wrote: > > At 2022-11-20T11:41:56+0100, Pierre-Elliott Bécue wrote: > > > I'm personally fine to defend the "less neutral" position we take by >

Re: Fortunes-off - do we need this as a package for Bookworm?

2022-11-20 Thread G. Branden Robinson
At 2022-11-20T23:55:52+, Steve McIntyre wrote: > >As it was an NMU, this should be easily rectified. > >Don't let cancel culture win. > > Are you volunteering to pick up the package and review its contents, > removing the worst stuff that is clearly *not* fit for us to publish? You adopt the

Re: Fortunes-off - do we need this as a package for Bookworm?

2022-11-20 Thread G. Branden Robinson
At 2022-11-20T11:41:56+0100, Pierre-Elliott Bécue wrote: > I'm personally fine to defend the "less neutral" position we take by > dropping fortunes-off which is total garbage. "Total garbage." Have you _read_ it? Running "fortune -o" myself a few times, I get the following results. These are in

Re: Fortunes-off - do we need this as a package for Bookworm?

2022-11-19 Thread G. Branden Robinson
At 2022-11-19T23:07:50+0100, Dominik George wrote: > > Right, and has has been discussed before (more times than can be > > counted, most likely) having some sort of content does not imply that > > the ideology itself is promoted. The presence of the texts of the > > Torah, the Christian Bible,

long-standing bugs and tar pits (was: Are users of Debian software members of the Debian community?)

2022-09-16 Thread G. Branden Robinson
At 2022-09-16T19:12:40+0530, Nilesh Patra wrote: > On Fri, Sep 16, 2022 at 08:47:19AM -0400, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote: > > That's easy to explain why your bugs are fixed quickly. You are a > > DD, so your bugs are important. I am not a DD so my bugs are not as > > important to the maintainers who

Re: Some thoughts about Diversity and the CoC

2019-12-13 Thread G. Branden Robinson
At 2019-12-13T11:36:00-0500, Sam Hartman wrote: > This offended word keeps coming up from people who are concerned about > the code of conduct. > I'm kind of confused, because I don't see it anywhere in the CoC, nor > do I see people who tend to favor the CoC using the word offended. > Who's ever

Re: Pride Month Discussion has Run its Course

2019-07-02 Thread G. Branden Robinson
At 2019-07-02T08:42:43-0400, Sam Hartman wrote: > The tone is absolutely civilized. > > And yet, the cost to people who have to do this education again and > again is really high. Yes, and therein rests the utility of allies. Speaking for myself I'd like to endorse the contributions to this

Re: Debian supports pridemonth?

2019-06-28 Thread G. Branden Robinson
At 2019-06-28T11:48:18+0200, Gerardo Ballabio wrote: > Hello all, > I've just seen this on https://micronews.debian.org/ : > > "In support of #pridemonth, Debian changes its website logo. The > Debian Project welcomes and encourages participation by everyone >

Re: Realizing Good Ideas with Debian Money

2019-06-01 Thread G. Branden Robinson
At 2019-06-01T09:04:39+0200, Philipp Kern wrote: > Are we then looking more closely at AMD-based machines given that > those had less problems around speculative attacks? To borrow a phrase from Christopher Hitchens, this comment gives a hostage to fortune. My team at work closely follows (and

Re: Automatic downloading of non-free software by stuff in main

2017-12-01 Thread G. Branden Robinson
At 2017-12-01T20:22:58+0500, Andrey Rahmatullin wrote: > Adam spoke about derivative users, not derivative developers, though. [...] > Our users are declared our priority, our downstreams aren't. This is a false dilemma and I urge our community to reject it. -- Regards, Branden signature.asc

Re: Automatic downloading of non-free software by stuff in main

2017-12-01 Thread G. Branden Robinson
Hi Adam, I think you're probably already away of the factual portions of my claims below, but I'm making them for the benefit of the broader audience. At 2017-12-01T18:11:34+0100, Adam Borowski wrote: > > > No, those derivatives are damage. While their hearts are in the right > > > place, they

Re: Appropriate escalation (or non-escalation) re rude emails

2017-10-30 Thread G. Branden Robinson
At 2017-10-30T17:01:43-0400, Sam Hartman wrote: > I don't think you can take off any hats you do have when sending such > mails. If you have a role in our account, antiharassment, conduct, > listmaster, moderation, or other related processes, you can't really > ever give that up when talking to

Re: Unaddressed use cases for machine-readable debian/copyright files

2017-03-25 Thread G. Branden Robinson
On Sat, Mar 25, 2017 at 04:25:38PM +0100, Guillem Jover wrote: > Hi! Thanks for your feedback! Been a while since we've chatted. :) > On Fri, 2017-03-24 at 14:02:49 -0400, G. Branden Robinson wrote: > > In returning my attention to current Debian packaging practices and > >