since been used to install Debian, and derivative distributions,
> on tens of millions of systems.
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[Andreas Tille]
> Any link to the rejection message to learn about the reasons?
> Sounds like a cool tool.
Searching on Google for wnpp svgtune sent me to
http://bugs.debian.org/544071 >.
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rpc(?). Any others?
I have no idea. I only use i386 and amd64. :)
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I've created a patch for this, available from
http://bugs.debian.org/574116 >, but have not had time to test
it yet.
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out with this project. I do on the other hand expect you
to not create hurdles for the student to allow the student to be as
productive as possible.
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eb by third parties. Where did I misunderstand?
Which big distributions publish and distribute the Adobe plugin on the
web?
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projects Debian want to donate money to? I am not.
A better approach would be to state that Debian will donate some money
and propose publicly for other distributions to do the same. :)
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sponsor upstream development for projects that are important to
Debian?
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> discussion on this front, maybe leading to a GR to properly gauge
> the opinion of the project as a whole.
I do not believe this warrant a full GR vote. A simple web survey
would be enough, in my opinion.
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time on the issues to make this transition
as smooth as possible.
1 http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2009/09/msg3.html
2 http://wiki.debian.org/LSBInitScripts/DependencyBasedBoot
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Is etch now LSB compliant? Is it time to update policy to specify LSB
3.1 instead of 1.3?
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> There is now. Bug #381348, with the full scoop and a proposed fix.
And a fixed cpio was just uploaded. Time to update policy?
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:", and there I am unable to find
any option to generate the docbook version of the page.
If the 'Render as Docbook" option was working on wiki.debian.org, I
would be able to extract the docbook version and thus use it to
generate PDF documents from the wiki.
Is this specific
[Jonas Smedegaard]
> Docbook support was included with 1.3.4 too, but you might be right
> that it is broken in that release. If so there's a change that it can
> be worked around by plugins, fulfilling the requirement of staying with
> stable packages.
The option seem to be missing from wiki.deb
[Martin Schulze]
> The version should stay with the version currently in Debian stable.
Any chance of having the version in Debian stable support docbook
export?
If not, we can not maintain the documents on wiki.debian.org, and need
to maintain them on our own wiki. That is a bit sad, as we woul
ebian Edu to produce
teacher friendly documentation. :)
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detailed project plan. I guess that means the studens are already
pouring into SoC. :)
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> I can see that more and more of my own Debian IRC discussions are on
> oftc, to the extent that I'm (currently) not on any freenode
> channels at all.
For me it is the other way around. I am currently on one channel on
OFTC, while I am on 7 channels on Freenode, 4 of them rela
lease fill it with information, as we discuss
here if Debian should participate, and what form our participation
should have.
1 http://google-code-updates.blogspot.com/2006/04/summer-of-code-2006.html
2 http://wiki.debian.org/SummerOfCode2006
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[David Weinehall]
> Since all Ubuntu packages are recompiled against a different set of
> libraries, the bug might not even affect the Debian package, even though
> they share the same source.
The same can be said about Debian architectures, when the autobuilder
build the packages at different ti
[Gunnar Wolf]
> Well, it was also the default behavior for some time with the
> pre-Sarge installer - I don't know why it was dropped (in the back of
> my head I hear a little voice telling it was buggy or something, but
> I've been taught not to listen to those little voices). I'd like to be
> par
[Chris Waters]
> The problem with this is that popcon tends to be self-selecting for
> "fan-boys". People setting up serious servers with Debian are not
> going to be installing extraneous software like popcon, and casual
> users are unlikely to find it interesting enough to install even if
> the
Debian don't
know or care about Ubuntu problems".
I'm not sure if your message is improved by your writing style. It
appears very aggressive to me, and that lowers my trust in it. You
might want to take this into consideration when you compose your
future messages. :)
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[Daniel Burrows]
> To me, this sounds like the argument that "I don't need seat belts
> or air bags because only bad drivers crash and I'm a good driver".
Or even better, "using seat belts is showing distrust to the
driver". :)
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[Max Alt]
> They have also already been submitted upstream ( kernel.org,
> alsa.org , x.org) and can be downloaded at intel.com/go/linux.
This sounds great.
I hope Intel is able to spend the time to get the drivers accepted
upstream as well. It would make it so much easier to get the correct
dr
gt; intended" (and why), we could come up with plenty of alternate suggestions.
>
> Bad explanation on our side, or misunderstanding on theirs. I
> believe these have all been cleared up now.
Even better. I really look forward to see the positive outcome of
this discussion. :)
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[Nathanael Nerode]
> If we knew which of the two suggestions "did not have the effect
> intended" (and why), we could come up with plenty of alternate
> suggestions. In addition, a few of our suggestions were of the
> "this is way too confusing to read" variety rather than the "this is
> non-free
What is the current status of the work going on to try to make some of
the Creative Commons licenses acceptable according to the Debian free
software guidelines? I know there were a workgroup being formed in
March, and I hope they are doing good work.
I spoke with Lawrence Lessig yesterday, aski
[Yann Dirson]
> Debian is not listed in the list of supported OS on the VMware
> website[1]. We all know here there is no reason for it not to work,
> especially given the huge number of other distros listed there, but
> in the corporate environment, yada, yada.
Actually, it is not that straight
[Steve Langasek]
> The goal of the LSB is to provide a standard that ISVs can write to
> -- *not* to make life easier for admins moving from distro to
> distro.
Hm, that is sad. Because some of us with a large number of machines,
do need to handle cross-distribution consistency. Not to move fro
[Steve Langasek]
> Debian packages shouldn't have to compete with the LSB for its own
> namespace.
Well, assuming that it is a good thing to have cross-distribution
consistency, because this make users more comfortable with moving to
Linux from their current platform, I believe it would be a good
[Horms]
> "Stealing" them might be easier than you think, I beleive that most
> of the LSB work being done for DCCA is being done by Jeff Licquia of
> progeny, who is also working on the Debian LSB effort.
Oh, have no doubt, I do not consider it hard to steal this back. I
know Jeff personally as
[Sven Mueller]
> They announced that the DCC Alliance will support LSB 3.0. However,
> every press item I saw on this matter reported that _Debian_
> supports LSB 3.0 (which isn't officially announced yet, as far as I
> know).
Getting LSB 3.0 support in Debian sounds like a great idea. Lets make
[Joe Smith]
> I doubt you will forget Microsoft (the enemy). You will just much
> prefer Debian, or so we hope.
Microsoft is not the enemy. Microsoft is mostly irrelevant, and a
slowly dying dinosaur. Trying to fight Microsoft will mostly be a
waste of time.
At least I fight for free software,
[Henning Makholm]
> No.
Why not?
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> On Sun, Aug 14, 2005 at 09:28:26PM +1000, Hamish Moffatt wrote:
>> Fortunately nobody needs to justify their decision to killfile
>> you to anyone but themselves. Or even a decision for a group to
>> collectively killfile you.
>
> So what you're saying is that mob rule is accep
e from the subject. I believe it is a bad idea to
have names in subjects, as the name linger on while the topic being
discussed tend to drift far away from the original topic.
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> I am not sure this is such a good idea for privacy reasons. If I
> mail mirrors@, I am not warned that my message will be publicly
> readable.
You actually thought correspondence with a free software project would
be non-public? I find that rather unusual.
I would say that u
[Joe Smith]
> Also, Based on another message I read (on this very list IIRC)
> Debian is used by the government as an example of the propper way to
> export open source cryptographic software. If this is correct that
> is a nearly fail-safe defence against any possible claims. Therefore
> I reccome
[Goswin von Brederlow]
> If anyone is intrested in adapting this drop me a note.
Please provide URL and repository for this source?
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> I invite everyone interested to join the Utnubu Team. Utnubu stands
> for doing what Ubuntu does, just the other way around: We want to
> take the things Ubuntu does and that are missing in Debian, and -
> where appliciable - put them in Debian.
Great effort.
There are alrea
[Martin F Krafft]
>> There should be a larger team which monitors security lists, fixes
>> bugs, helps maintainers to fix bugs etc.
>
> There is a problem with that, namely responsible disclosure. The
> team cannot be too big or else the other organisations in the
> consortium will object for dang
[Adam McKenna]
> It is fine for individual developers to act like antisocial fuckwits.
Sure. Just carry on the way you are. :)
> It is not acceptable for our DPL to behave that way (not when acting
> in his role as DPL, anyway).
Good thing he isn't behaving like that. He is not the one rejecti
Your request is very generic, so it is
hard to know if the Debian project or its members can help you or not.
Please keep
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[Sven Luther]
> I doubt that very many redhat entreprise users install it at home or
> schools though.
I don't. :)
Here at the University, we have a license for home users as well.
But if it is so in RHEL, I am pretty sure it is so in Fedora as well.
And perhaps you can believe that Fedora is in
It might be interesting for you to know that this screensaver in
question is enabled by the random kde screensaver in RedHat Enterprise
Linux too. I haven't seen any outcries against redhat because of it,
and thus suspect the danger of bad press appearing because of this to
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[Nathanael Nerode]
> Suppose the GCC manual was not licensed for use in essays on the
> economics of free software. (It actually provides some great
> examples of funding methods, and quoting some of the sections on
> various features to go with the information on how they were funded
> would be
[Manoj Srivastava]
> Ah, if you stipulate that the secretary has the judgement to figure
> out what is a "real request" as opposed to junk, I have no
> objections.
I do. :)
If the secretary can't separate those two, the secretary need some
education on how to do it, or to be replaced. It should
[Manoj Srivastava]
> A number of message sent to the secretary are discarded without
> comment. Does the project really want the secretary to be responding
> viagra ads?
Were did you get that idea? You must have read something out of my
text that was never intended. Even the Norwegian governmen
[Anand Kumria]
> Similiarly it would be nice if the Debian project decided to be more
> Morton-like, that is explicit acceptance or explicit rejection,
> rather than Linus-like (implied rejection) in its handling of
> things.
I agree when it comes to the correspondence with the official
positions
[Martin Schulze]
> I don't think that the amount of reimbursed money needs to be put in
> public and that -private would have been a better place instead.
In debian-edu, we have a good experience with making the economical
status public, to allow all project members to keep an eye on the
current
[Sven Luther]
> My image of this would be for the debian-installer to recognize that
> a given piece of hardware needs a driver module that is in
> non-free-but-freely-distributable,
Assuming such modules are distributed as debian packages, I believe
discover v2 can make such information easily a
[Lars Wirzenius]
> http://wiki.debian.net/?Debconf5Meeting20050404
Hi
I saw this entry in the summary:
> Status of audiovisual recordings of talks and networking (h01ger):
> We need firewire video cameras with tripods, lockable server room,
> physical network layouts, locations for switches, wi
[Martin Schulze]
> How to you fund the time people need to travel to and stay at the
> meetings?
Until now, we haven't. As I said, those already investing lots of
time into Debian tend to get their travel and lodging expenses covered
to join the meetings in questions. Experience have shown that
[Vaidhyanathan Mayilrangam Gopalan]
> If we do, then we are essentially saying that only those developers
> who are rich enough (in terms of money, time , ability ) to travel
> are only ones who are worthy of contributing. It has got nothing to
> do with the amount of work they are putting into D
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