Re: [Debconf-discuss] Code of Conduct violations handling process

2014-09-04 Thread Ian Jackson
Chris Bannister writes ("Re: [Debconf-discuss] Code of Conduct violations handling process"): > On Thu, Sep 04, 2014 at 01:13:23PM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote: > > If a CoC complaint is made, and the decisionmakers consider the > > complaint unjustified, the complai

Re: [Debconf-discuss] Code of Conduct violations handling process

2014-09-04 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Ian Jackson [2014-09-04 05:15 -0700]: > I am not angry or upset with the performance of Debconf organisers > or the antiharassment team. Rather, I feel that they were not > provided with the tools and support required to do their job. Right, and we are also new to this. We should no

Re: [Debconf-discuss] Code of Conduct violations handling process

2014-09-04 Thread Chris Bannister
On Thu, Sep 04, 2014 at 01:13:23PM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote: > > If a CoC complaint is made, and the decisionmakers consider the > complaint unjustified, the complaint should not be referred elsewhere > or escalated. Instead, the decision (complaint considered not > justified, no action will be t

Re: [Debconf-discuss] Code of Conduct violations handling process

2014-09-04 Thread Ian Jackson
martin f krafft writes ("Re: [Debconf-discuss] Code of Conduct violations handling process"): > also sprach Patty Langasek [2014-09-03 16:57 -0700]: > > The way this particular Code of Conduct Violation Complaint was > > handled was entirely my fault. > > I do

Re: [Debconf-discuss] Code of Conduct violations handling process

2014-09-04 Thread Ian Jackson
Steve Langasek writes ("Re: [Debconf-discuss] Code of Conduct violations handling process"): > In the particular incident prompting this thread, [...] I started writing a response to this. But I found that my response, no matter how carefully phrased, read like an attack on the peo

Re: [Debconf-discuss] Code of Conduct violations handling process

2014-09-04 Thread Richard Hartmann
On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 12:20 AM, Steve Langasek wrote: > It's also possible that, as a matter of course, we should ensure that the > antiharassment team responds timely in writing to all complaints, even if > there is an out-of-band follow-up. Following up in the same media used for a complaint i

Re: [Debconf-discuss] Code of Conduct violations handling process

2014-09-03 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Patty Langasek [2014-09-03 16:57 -0700]: > The way this particular Code of Conduct Violation Complaint was > handled was entirely my fault. I don't think there is any point in thinking about fault here. Go ahead and disagree with me, but the more important thing for me is that we lear

Re: [Debconf-discuss] Code of Conduct violations handling process

2014-09-03 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On 9/4/14, Russ Allbery wrote: > Zenaan Harkness writes: > >> More facts trickle out. Thank you for stepping up to the plate. > >> Any chance someone could crush an egg shell already and just post a link >> to the brouhaha? Or summarise the events? > >> Are we that timid, that dominated by the al

Re: [Debconf-discuss] Code of Conduct violations handling process

2014-09-03 Thread Russ Allbery
Zenaan Harkness writes: > More facts trickle out. Thank you for stepping up to the plate. > Any chance someone could crush an egg shell already and just post a link > to the brouhaha? Or summarise the events? > Are we that timid, that dominated by the almighty COC, that facts are no > longer po

Re: [Debconf-discuss] Code of Conduct violations handling process

2014-09-03 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On 9/4/14, Patty Langasek wrote: > On Wed, Sep 03, 2014 at 12:29:36PM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote: >> I think more guidance for the teams involved would be helpful. The >> Debconf and Debian CoC statements are too difficult to amend. The DC >> and Debian teams should develop a process document whic

Re: [Debconf-discuss] Code of Conduct violations handling process

2014-09-03 Thread Patty Langasek
On Wed, Sep 03, 2014 at 12:29:36PM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote: > I think more guidance for the teams involved would be helpful. The > Debconf and Debian CoC statements are too difficult to amend. The DC > and Debian teams should develop a process document which those > responsible would use to guid

Re: [Debconf-discuss] Code of Conduct violations handling process

2014-09-03 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Wed, Sep 03 2014, Steve Langasek wrote: > The stated purpose of the CoC is to ensure that our conference is a safe > space for all members of the Debian community. In what way would a change > in approach to dealing with a violation after the fact, where the offender > is no longer at the con

Re: [Debconf-discuss] Code of Conduct violations handling process

2014-09-03 Thread Steve Langasek
On Wed, Sep 03, 2014 at 12:29:36PM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote: > I think more guidance for the teams involved would be helpful. The > Debconf and Debian CoC statements are too difficult to amend. The DC > and Debian teams should develop a process document which those > responsible would use to guid