On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 09:57:28AM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote:
Le Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 03:44:01PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava a écrit :
his is silly
Manoj,
I hesitated between answering in public or private, but since there are
planned discussions at Debconf about aggressivity on
On Sat, Jul 25, 2009 at 08:40:50PM +0300, Lars Wirzenius wrote:
la, 2009-07-25 kello 09:16 -0500, Manoj Srivastava kirjoitti:
You are making the assumption that the authors reaction to Bad
is less negative than the reaction to Silly. While this is
subjective, I do not think it is
* Wouter Verhelst wou...@debian.org [090730 18:18]:
I'm sorry, but in any discussion it is perfectly reasonable to sometimes
say that an idea is not a very good one. Note that there is a difference
between 'you are silly' and 'this is silly'. Manoj said the latter (one
minor typo
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 06:42:04PM +0200, Bernhard R. Link wrote:
* Wouter Verhelst wou...@debian.org [090730 18:18]:
I'm sorry, but in any discussion it is perfectly reasonable to sometimes
say that an idea is not a very good one. Note that there is a difference
between 'you are silly' and
On Thu, Jul 30 2009, Bernhard R. Link wrote:
Silly is mostly about missing intellectual skills, so applying it
to actions, ideas or questions is mostly pars pro toto meaning the
human it originates from.
I beg to differ. I have had dumb ideas in the past, and even
proposed them; but
Manoj Srivastava sriva...@debian.org wrote:
On Fri, Jul 24 2009, MJ Ray wrote:
[...] the project should remain polite even in the
face of really daft ideas (like the 3017th report that our website CSS
is invalid just because the W3C validator is incomplete).
Calling a daft idea
MJ Ray m...@phonecoop.coop writes:
Manoj Srivastava sriva...@debian.org wrote:
Calling a daft idea silly is being rude now?
Not necessarily (it depends how one phrases it), but being rude is one
way of being not overly genteel (as the earlier message advocated).
I feel one
la, 2009-07-25 kello 23:12 +1000, Ben Finney kirjoitti:
If what remains is an attack upon an *idea*, so be it; ideas don't have
feelings and are not automatically deserving of respect or politeness.
“This is a silly idea” attacks no-one and is impolite to no-one. Let
those who support the idea
On Sat, Jul 25 2009, Lars Wirzenius wrote:
For example, in the specific case under discussion, the criticism might
have been expressed something like this instead:
I think this is a bad idea. It creates extra work for
developers
You are making the assumption that
la, 2009-07-25 kello 09:16 -0500, Manoj Srivastava kirjoitti:
You are making the assumption that the authors reaction to Bad
is less negative than the reaction to Silly. While this is
subjective, I do not think it is without contention:
My hasty re-wording has now given the wrong
On Fri Jul 24 09:57, Charles Plessy wrote:
Le Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 03:44:01PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava a écrit :
his is silly
Are you sure that this is not a typo for This is silly? A rather
unfortunate one, since what Manoj wrote looks a lot more like a personal
attack than it
Charles Plessy wrote:
Le Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 10:30:17PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava a écrit :
While I do not approve of ad hominem attacks on the mailing
list, I think that we can go over much to the other side: We should not
be overly genteel about silly ideas.
You twist people words
Matthew Johnson mj...@debian.org writes:
On Fri Jul 24 09:57, Charles Plessy wrote:
Le Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 03:44:01PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava a écrit :
his is silly
Are you sure that this is not a typo for This is silly?
It didn't occur to me to interpret it any other way
Manoj Srivastava sriva...@debian.org wrote:
[...] I think that we can go over much to the other side: We should not
be overly genteel about silly ideas. [...]
I don't think there's anything wrong with being a polite society
(=genteel) even when confronted with a silly idea.
Maybe the above
On Fri, 24 Jul 2009, Ben Finney wrote:
Manoj seems to be emitting a great deal more typos to Debian forums in
recent years. Perhaps we should pool together donations for a better
keyboard for him?
Or he should post less and take the time to review what he
writes... (including the pass where
On Fri, Jul 24 2009, Luk Claes wrote:
Twisting people's words is unfortunately very normal behaviour for Manoj.
On Fri, Jul 24 2009, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
Or he should post less and take the time to review what he
writes... (including the pass where he's supposed to remove
the unneeded
On Fri, Jul 24 2009, MJ Ray wrote:
Manoj Srivastava sriva...@debian.org wrote:
[...] I think that we can go over much to the other side: We should not
be overly genteel about silly ideas. [...]
I don't think there's anything wrong with being a polite society
(=genteel) even when
Manoj Srivastava wrote:
On Fri, Jul 24 2009, Luk Claes wrote:
Twisting people's words is unfortunately very normal behaviour for Manoj.
On Fri, Jul 24 2009, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
Or he should post less and take the time to review what he
writes... (including the pass where he's supposed to
On Fri, Jul 24 2009, Luk Claes wrote:
Manoj Srivastava wrote:
On Fri, Jul 24 2009, Luk Claes wrote:
Twisting people's words is unfortunately very normal behaviour for Manoj.
On Fri, Jul 24 2009, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
Or he should post less and take the time to review what he
writes...
Manoj Srivastava wrote:
On Fri, Jul 24 2009, Luk Claes wrote:
Manoj Srivastava wrote:
On Fri, Jul 24 2009, Luk Claes wrote:
Twisting people's words is unfortunately very normal behaviour for Manoj.
On Fri, Jul 24 2009, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
Or he should post less and take the time to
On Fri, Jul 24 2009, Luk Claes wrote:
Manoj Srivastava wrote:
On Fri, Jul 24 2009, Luk Claes wrote:
Manoj Srivastava wrote:
On Fri, Jul 24 2009, Luk Claes wrote:
Twisting people's words is unfortunately very normal behaviour for Manoj.
On Fri, Jul 24 2009, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
Or he
On Fri Jul 24 16:46, Luk Claes wrote:
Manoj Srivastava wrote:
On Fri, Jul 24 2009, Luk Claes wrote:
Twisting people's words is unfortunately very normal behaviour for Manoj.
On Fri, Jul 24 2009, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
Or he should post less and take the time to review what he writes...
Luk Claes wrote:
Manoj Srivastava wrote:
On Fri, Jul 24 2009, Luk Claes wrote:
Manoj Srivastava wrote:
...snip...
This is hilarious. Two posts attacking the man -- ad
hominem --
and these are the folks talking about being less aggressive.
Twisting again are you?
Only
Le Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 03:44:01PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava a écrit :
his is silly
Manoj,
I hesitated between answering in public or private, but since there are planned
discussions at Debconf about aggressivity on the mailing lists, I will do it in
public.
In case you had any doubt
On Thu, Jul 23 2009, Charles Plessy wrote:
Le Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 03:44:01PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava a écrit :
his is silly
In case you had any doubt about it, let me confirm: it hurts to read
that kind of answer.
It does not help, nor bring any useful element to the discussion
Le Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 10:30:17PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava a écrit :
While I do not approve of ad hominem attacks on the mailing
list, I think that we can go over much to the other side: We should not
be overly genteel about silly ideas.
You twist people words and extrapolate to
Charles Plessy ple...@debian.org writes:
I hesitated between answering in public or private, but since there
are planned discussions at Debconf about aggressivity on the mailing
lists, I will do it in public.
What is meant here by “aggressivity”? I think there's an important
distinction to be
Ben Finney ben+deb...@benfinney.id.au writes:
Let ideas stand or fall on their merits, and let no person feel they
cannot separate themselves from an idea. Ideas are not sacred: There is
no such thing as an idea that should be defended from criticism or even
ridicule.
s/defended
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