Re: [PROPOSAL] Allowing crypto in the main archive

2001-02-20 Thread Julian Gilbey
On Tue, Feb 20, 2001 at 02:49:14PM +0100, Rene Mayrhofer wrote: Ok, I know I am a bit late, but since I recently got my Debian developer status and this is exactly what I asked for in my mail on 2001-01-01, I second this. Are 2 seconds (this should be the 2. second on this phrasing if I have

Re: [PROPOSAL] Allowing crypto in the main archive

2001-01-12 Thread Julian Gilbey
On Thu, Jan 11, 2001 at 09:20:35AM -0800, Pete Lypkie wrote: Programs which use patented algorithms that have a restricted license must also be stored on non-us, since the non-us server [...] By the way, what does restricted license mean in this context? Surely even if the

Re: [PROPOSAL] Allowing crypto in the main archive

2001-01-11 Thread Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho
On 20010111T010726+0100, Rene Mayrhofer wrote: I am now about 2 - 3 days away from my first upload of freeswan. Should it go into net (instead of non-US) now ? :-) No. A proposal does not automatically mean a policy change. -- %%% Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho % [EMAIL PROTECTED] %

Re: [PROPOSAL] Allowing crypto in the main archive

2001-01-11 Thread Julian Gilbey
On Wed, Jan 10, 2001 at 04:16:18PM -0800, Wichert Akkerman wrote: This is a slightly updated changed to reflect comments from people. Debian developers can second this proposal for inclusion in the policy text. Proposal is to change section 2.1.5 of the Debian policy to say: Non-free

Re: [PROPOSAL] Allowing crypto in the main archive

2001-01-11 Thread Adrian De Leon
On 11 Jan 2001 01:29:14 +0100, Adrian Bunk wrote: On Wed, 10 Jan 2001, Wichert Akkerman wrote: ... Programs which use patented algorithms that have a restrictied license also need to be stored on non-us, since that is located in a country where it is not allowed to patent

Re: [PROPOSAL] Allowing crypto in the main archive

2001-01-11 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Thu, 11 Jan 2001, Wichert Akkerman wrote: Previously Marco d'Itri wrote: But is it non-US/main or non-US/non-free? non-US/main, since the license to the software itself is free. But if I don't misunderstand chapter 7 (and 8) of the GPL a program licenced under the GPL that is threatened

Re: [PROPOSAL] Allowing crypto in the main archive

2001-01-11 Thread Raul Miller
On Thu, 11 Jan 2001, Wichert Akkerman wrote: non-US/main, since the license to the software itself is free. On Thu, Jan 11, 2001 at 02:47:57PM +0100, Adrian Bunk wrote: But if I don't misunderstand chapter 7 (and 8) of the GPL a program licenced under the GPL that is threatened by a patent

Re: [PROPOSAL] Allowing crypto in the main archive

2001-01-11 Thread Seth David Schoen
Raul Miller writes: On Thu, 11 Jan 2001, Wichert Akkerman wrote: non-US/main, since the license to the software itself is free. On Thu, Jan 11, 2001 at 02:47:57PM +0100, Adrian Bunk wrote: But if I don't misunderstand chapter 7 (and 8) of the GPL a program licenced under the GPL that

Re: [PROPOSAL] Allowing crypto in the main archive

2001-01-11 Thread Julian Gilbey
On Wed, Jan 10, 2001 at 04:27:37PM -0800, Wichert Akkerman wrote: Okay, hopefully the final language change: Proposal is to change section 2.1.5 of the Debian policy to say: Non-free programs with cryptographic program code must be stored on the non-us server because of export

Re: [PROPOSAL] Allowing crypto in the main archive

2001-01-11 Thread Raul Miller
This would be non-DFSG if we couldn't distribute it at all. On Wed, Jan 10, 2001 at 11:17:05PM -0800, Seth David Schoen wrote: You can certainly say this _archive_ is only for the use of residents of the following countries and even try to enforce that, as long as you don't actually try to

Re: [PROPOSAL] Allowing crypto in the main archive

2001-01-11 Thread Pete Lypkie
On Thu, Jan 11, 2001 at 10:06:41AM +, Julian Gilbey wrote: Better English: Programs which use patented algorithms that have a restricted license must also be stored on non-us, since the non-us server is located in a country where patenting algorithms is not permitted. By

Re: [PROPOSAL] Allowing crypto in the main archive

2001-01-10 Thread Wichert Akkerman
Previously Wichert Akkerman wrote: * DFSG free programs with crypto can be made and (re)distributed from the US now, as long as you don't consciously export it to one of 7 countries which are on a special blacklist Extra info: those 7 are Cuba, Iran, Iraq, Libya, North Korea, Sudan and

Re: [PROPOSAL] Allowing crypto in the main archive

2001-01-10 Thread Joey Hess
Wichert Akkerman wrote: * DFSG free programs with crypto can be made and (re)distributed from the US now, as long as you don't consciously export it to one of 7 countries which are on a special blacklist Of course that raises the question: What can Debian do to prevent export to one of

Re: [PROPOSAL] Allowing crypto in the main archive

2001-01-10 Thread J.H.M. Dassen \(Ray\)
On Wed, Jan 10, 2001 at 12:51:03 -0800, Wichert Akkerman wrote: In light of this I'm proposing to change section 2.1.5 of the Debian policy to say: Yes! IMHO it's definitely time to make it possible for packages in the regular main archive to support crypto (mozilla, w3m, lynx, links,

Re: [PROPOSAL] Allowing crypto in the main archive

2001-01-10 Thread Robert Thomson
On Wed, Jan 10, 2001 at 01:10:55PM -0800, Joey Hess wrote: Wichert Akkerman wrote: * DFSG free programs with crypto can be made and (re)distributed from the US now, as long as you don't consciously export it to one of 7 countries which are on a special blacklist Of course that

Re: [PROPOSAL] Allowing crypto in the main archive

2001-01-10 Thread Wichert Akkerman
Previously Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote: I was of the understanding that we would also have to notify the US of what is on our site. We only need to tell them that our site has crypto stuff from what I understand. Wichert. --

Re: [PROPOSAL] Allowing crypto in the main archive

2001-01-10 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Wed, 10 Jan 2001, Wichert Akkerman wrote: ... Non-free programs with cryptographic program code need to be stored on the non-us server because of export restrictions of the U.S. So for the export restrictions only a non-US/non-free will be needed. Programs which use

Re: [PROPOSAL] Allowing crypto in the main archive

2001-01-10 Thread Rene Mayrhofer
Robert Thomson wrote: On Wed, Jan 10, 2001 at 01:10:55PM -0800, Joey Hess wrote: Wichert Akkerman wrote: * DFSG free programs with crypto can be made and (re)distributed from the US now, as long as you don't consciously export it to one of 7 countries which are on a special

Re: [PROPOSAL] Allowing crypto in the main archive

2001-01-10 Thread Wichert Akkerman
Previously Adrian Bunk wrote: So for the export restrictions only a non-US/non-free will be needed. crypto export restrictions, yes. Right. That means if you use an algorithm that is patented in Germany the package will be in non-us? You better rename this non-US to patented/main and add the

Re: [PROPOSAL] Allowing crypto in the main archive

2001-01-10 Thread Rene Mayrhofer
Robert Thomson wrote: On Wed, Jan 10, 2001 at 10:41:39PM +, Tim Haynes wrote: Robert Thomson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So long as you don't mail a CD, cross a border, or force-feed to a mirror in one of the 7 victim countries, then you're fine. But, if you don't mind me being

Re: [PROPOSAL] Allowing crypto in the main archive

2001-01-10 Thread Wichert Akkerman
This is a slightly updated changed to reflect comments from people. Debian developers can second this proposal for inclusion in the policy text. Proposal is to change section 2.1.5 of the Debian policy to say: Non-free programs with cryptographic program code need to be stored on the

Re: [PROPOSAL] Allowing crypto in the main archive

2001-01-10 Thread Wichert Akkerman
Previously Joey Hess wrote: You could just devolve it to the maintainers of the packages in question. It's not a great deal different from deciding if a package belongs in non-free, main, or cannot be put in debian at all. But ftpmaster verifies that as well, that's why it takes a while

Re: [PROPOSAL] Allowing crypto in the main archive

2001-01-10 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Wed, 10 Jan 2001, Wichert Akkerman wrote: ... Programs which use patented algorithms that have a restrictied license also need to be stored on non-us, since that is located in a country where it is not allowed to patent algorithms. ... Any examples of such countries? If this

Re: [PROPOSAL] Allowing crypto in the main archive

2001-01-10 Thread Wichert Akkerman
Previously Adrian Bunk wrote: Any examples of such countries? See an earlier post I made, that listed them all. * Tell all the FTP mirrors of non-US that must of them are no longer allowed to ship non-US (e.g. ftp.de.debian.org is located in Germany where it's not 100% forbidden to