Re: BREAKING NEWS: Debian developers aren't trusted

2007-02-24 Thread Steve Langasek
On Fri, Feb 23, 2007 at 10:04:26AM +0100, Ingo Juergensmann wrote: On Thu, Feb 22, 2007 at 06:56:01PM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote: Um, the only archs that don't meet the redundancy requirement today are i386 and ia64. http://release.debian.org/etch_arch_qualify.html says alpha,

Re: BREAKING NEWS: Debian developers aren't trusted

2007-02-24 Thread Ingo Juergensmann
On Sat, Feb 24, 2007 at 05:09:56AM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote: On Fri, Feb 23, 2007 at 10:04:26AM +0100, Ingo Juergensmann wrote: On Thu, Feb 22, 2007 at 06:56:01PM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote: Um, the only archs that don't meet the redundancy requirement today are i386 and

Re: BREAKING NEWS: Debian developers aren't trusted

2007-02-24 Thread Josip Rodin
On Fri, Feb 23, 2007 at 12:25:51PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: Are you so overworked, or are you deliberately forgetting? It has been suggested multiple times in the past to use existing or new hardware and add it to the set of standard autobuilders. Many arches do not meet the

Re: BREAKING NEWS: Debian developers aren't trusted

2007-02-24 Thread Bastian Blank
On Sat, Feb 24, 2007 at 03:04:10PM +0100, Josip Rodin wrote: (BTW, I've recently offered a better sparc machine for use by the project, it's a prospective solution for that problem.) See this list some time ago. Debian have a Sun T2000 available. Bastian -- Love sometimes expresses itself in

Re: BREAKING NEWS: Debian developers aren't trusted

2007-02-24 Thread Josip Rodin
On Sat, Feb 24, 2007 at 04:03:59PM +0100, Bastian Blank wrote: See this list some time ago. Debian have a Sun T2000 available. Oh yeah, I noticed, but it also sounds like we're not really using it. That needs to be fixed. Besides, redundancy is good, esp. given that vore is down. -- 2.

Re: BREAKING NEWS: Debian developers aren't trusted

2007-02-23 Thread Ingo Juergensmann
On Thu, Feb 22, 2007 at 06:56:01PM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote: Um, the only archs that don't meet the redundancy requirement today are i386 and ia64. http://release.debian.org/etch_arch_qualify.html says alpha, amd64, arm, hppa, i386, ia64, and m68k don't meet it, fwiw. Oops.

Re: BREAKING NEWS: Debian developers aren't trusted

2007-02-22 Thread Anthony Towns
On Fri, Feb 16, 2007 at 07:55:10PM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote: On Thu, Feb 15, 2007 at 10:00:25AM +0100, Frank K?ster wrote: Are you so overworked, or are you deliberately forgetting? It has been suggested multiple times in the past to use existing or new hardware and add it to the set of

Re: BREAKING NEWS: Debian developers aren't trusted

2007-02-22 Thread Steve Langasek
On Fri, Feb 23, 2007 at 12:25:51PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: On Fri, Feb 16, 2007 at 07:55:10PM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote: On Thu, Feb 15, 2007 at 10:00:25AM +0100, Frank K?ster wrote: Are you so overworked, or are you deliberately forgetting? It has been suggested multiple times in

Re: BREAKING NEWS: Debian developers aren't trusted

2007-02-19 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Fri, Feb 16, 2007 at 01:24:27AM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: On Thu, Feb 15, 2007 at 03:17:58PM +0100, Aurelien Jarno wrote: FYI, I am running a wanna-build database for hurd-i386, kfreebsd-i386 and kfreebsd-amd64 on my home server, and running three build daemons, two for kfreebsd-i386

Re: BREAKING NEWS: Debian developers aren't trusted

2007-02-17 Thread Frank Küster
Steve Langasek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Feb 15, 2007 at 10:00:25AM +0100, Frank Küster wrote: Are you so overworked, or are you deliberately forgetting? It has been suggested multiple times in the past to use existing or new hardware and add it to the set of standard autobuilders.

Re: BREAKING NEWS: Debian developers aren't trusted

2007-02-16 Thread Steve Langasek
On Thu, Feb 15, 2007 at 10:00:25AM +0100, Frank Küster wrote: Are you so overworked, or are you deliberately forgetting? It has been suggested multiple times in the past to use existing or new hardware and add it to the set of standard autobuilders. Many arches do not meet the redundancy

Re: BREAKING NEWS: Debian developers aren't trusted

2007-02-15 Thread Anthony Towns
On Thu, Feb 15, 2007 at 06:34:16PM +1100, Hamish Moffatt wrote: On Thu, Feb 15, 2007 at 01:13:36PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: -vote dropped On Wed, Feb 14, 2007 at 03:06:01PM +0100, Martin Zobel-Helas wrote: i think someone running more than one autobuilder for more than _two_ years

Re: BREAKING NEWS: Debian developers aren't trusted

2007-02-15 Thread Martin Wuertele
Hi Anthony! * Anthony Towns aj@azure.humbug.org.au [2007-02-15 09:37]: Not every criticism is an insult, and if you want to know why things don't happen you need to be able to take criticism without taking insult. To some readers of your last mail In general, I could pretty easily imagine

Re: BREAKING NEWS: Debian developers aren't trusted

2007-02-15 Thread Anthony Towns
On Thu, Feb 15, 2007 at 08:37:27AM +0100, Martin Zobel-Helas wrote: On Thu Feb 15, 2007 at 13:13:36 +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: -vote dropped And readded apparently. Do we really have to have these conversations across multiple lists? i think someone running more than one autobuilder for

Re: BREAKING NEWS: Debian developers aren't trusted

2007-02-15 Thread Frank Küster
Anthony Towns aj@azure.humbug.org.au wrote: On Thu, Feb 15, 2007 at 08:37:27AM +0100, Martin Zobel-Helas wrote: On Thu Feb 15, 2007 at 13:13:36 +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: -vote dropped And readded apparently. Do we really have to have these conversations across multiple lists? i think

Re: BREAKING NEWS: Debian developers aren't trusted

2007-02-15 Thread Aurelien Jarno
Anthony Towns a écrit : On Thu, Feb 15, 2007 at 06:34:16PM +1100, Hamish Moffatt wrote: On Thu, Feb 15, 2007 at 01:13:36PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: -vote dropped On Wed, Feb 14, 2007 at 03:06:01PM +0100, Martin Zobel-Helas wrote: i think someone running more than one autobuilder for more

Re: BREAKING NEWS: Debian developers aren't trusted

2007-02-15 Thread Anthony Towns
On Thu, Feb 15, 2007 at 03:17:58PM +0100, Aurelien Jarno wrote: FYI, I am running a wanna-build database for hurd-i386, kfreebsd-i386 and kfreebsd-amd64 on my home server, and running three build daemons, two for kfreebsd-i386 (yes, contrary to some official architectures we have buildd

Re: BREAKING NEWS: Debian developers aren't trusted

2007-02-15 Thread Anthony Towns
On Thu, Feb 15, 2007 at 10:00:25AM +0100, Frank K?ster wrote: i think someone running more than one autobuilder for more than _two_ years now (okay, not for the officical archive, but i see that as nonrelevant here) demonstrats very good that he mets your mentioned technical

Re: BREAKING NEWS: Debian developers aren't trusted

2007-02-15 Thread Marc Haber
On Fri, Feb 16, 2007 at 01:27:17AM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: The right way of dealing with that is to work with the potential contributor to ensure they understand the issues that're involved so that their future contributions can be accepted and will be useful. This is a very important

Re: BREAKING NEWS: Debian developers aren't trusted

2007-02-15 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le vendredi 16 février 2007 à 01:27 +1000, Anthony Towns a écrit : (If there's something more than the general comments Frank made, I'm still not seeing it. TTBOMK, the non-free and experimental builds aren't at all integrated with the buildd.d.o stuff, and there's been no particular interest

Re: BREAKING NEWS: Debian developers aren't trusted

2007-02-14 Thread Frank Küster
[moving this to a more appropriate list] Anthony Towns aj@azure.humbug.org.au wrote: On Wed, Feb 14, 2007 at 07:12:31PM +1100, Hamish Moffatt wrote: On Wed, Feb 14, 2007 at 11:33:19AM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: On Tue, Feb 13, 2007 at 11:11:55PM +1100, Hamish Moffatt wrote: On Tue, Feb

Re: BREAKING NEWS: Debian developers aren't trusted

2007-02-14 Thread Martin Zobel-Helas
Hi, Maintaining a buildd isn't trivial, there's: - making sure they don't get rooted, and their builds compromised - keeping the chroot up to date - keeping in sync with w-b / sbuild changes - keeping in sync with the infrastructure upstream (building from incoming,

Re: BREAKING NEWS: Debian developers aren't trusted

2007-02-14 Thread Anthony Towns
-vote dropped On Wed, Feb 14, 2007 at 03:06:01PM +0100, Martin Zobel-Helas wrote: Maintaining a buildd isn't trivial, there's: - making sure they don't get rooted, and their builds compromised - keeping the chroot up to date - keeping in sync with w-b / sbuild changes

Re: BREAKING NEWS: Debian developers aren't trusted

2007-02-14 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Thu, Feb 15, 2007 at 01:13:36PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: -vote dropped On Wed, Feb 14, 2007 at 03:06:01PM +0100, Martin Zobel-Helas wrote: i think someone running more than one autobuilder for more than _two_ years now (okay, not for the officical archive, but i see that as

Re: BREAKING NEWS: Debian developers aren't trusted

2007-02-14 Thread Martin Zobel-Helas
Hi, On Thu Feb 15, 2007 at 13:13:36 +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: -vote dropped On Wed, Feb 14, 2007 at 03:06:01PM +0100, Martin Zobel-Helas wrote: Maintaining a buildd isn't trivial, there's: - making sure they don't get rooted, and their builds compromised - keeping the