Bug#158533: project: qmail is installed on murphy

2002-09-05 Thread David Nicol
So when is someone of the qmail is unacceptable because DJB's in-practice license grant does not meet strict qualifications camp going to write an equivalent drop-in replacement? It's not like you can't reverse-engineer qmail and make it over without using the substandardio library -- in fact

Bug#158533: project: qmail is installed on murphy

2002-09-05 Thread Colin Walters
On Thu, 2002-09-05 at 14:29, David Nicol wrote: So when is someone of the qmail is unacceptable because DJB's in-practice license grant does not meet strict qualifications camp going to write an equivalent drop-in replacement? I don't think a drop-in replacement makes much sense. Qmail

Bug#158533: project: qmail is installed on murphy

2002-09-03 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Raul == Raul Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: That's bullshit, and you know it. There are over 10,000 instances in debian where we have taken software, created a patch, applied it, and distributed the binaries. Raul You asked the question about qmail, not about debian. I answered Raul

Bug#158533: project: qmail is installed on murphy

2002-09-02 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Raul == Raul Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Raul On Sun, Sep 01, 2002 at 09:57:01PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: Cost has little to do with free as the DFSG defines it, so this is a bit of a red herring. May one distribute modified versions of the software? May one distribute binary

Bug#158533: project: qmail is installed on murphy

2002-09-02 Thread Raul Miller
That's bullshit, and you know it. There are over 10,000 instances in debian where we have taken software, created a patch, applied it, and distributed the binaries. You asked the question about qmail, not about debian. I answered in that context. -- Raul

Bug#158533: project: qmail is installed on murphy

2002-09-02 Thread Raul Miller
On Mon, Sep 02, 2002 at 03:17:55AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: Indeed, whether you, or I, personally find qmail to be inferior or not is only tangentially significant. The only opinion that matters here is of the people who actually work to administer and maintain the Debian mail

Bug#158533: project: qmail is installed on murphy

2002-08-28 Thread Adam Heath
On Wed, 28 Aug 2002, Brian M. Carlson wrote: Great! I'm glad you know about it. In fact, I'm elated. Now that you know, please do something about it. I know you have many machines running exim, and I've heard from others that you also run postfix on some machines. I really don't care what

Bug#158533: project: qmail is installed on murphy

2002-08-28 Thread Brian M. Carlson
On Tue, Aug 27, 2002 at 11:50:39PM -0500, Adam Heath wrote: On Wed, 28 Aug 2002, Brian M. Carlson wrote: Great! I'm glad you know about it. In fact, I'm elated. Now that you know, please do something about it. I know you have many machines running exim, and I've heard from others that you

Bug#158533: project: qmail is installed on murphy

2002-08-28 Thread Daniel Jacobowitz
On Wed, Aug 28, 2002 at 02:28:11PM +, Brian M. Carlson wrote: On Wed, Aug 28, 2002 at 06:44:11AM +0200, Josip Rodin wrote: On Wed, Aug 28, 2002 at 04:31:27AM +, Brian M. Carlson wrote: The subject says it all. qmail is installed on murphy.debian.org. The first thing that

Bug#158533: project: qmail is installed on murphy

2002-08-28 Thread Oohara Yuuma
On Wed, 28 Aug 2002 02:47:34 +, Brian M. Carlson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Aug 28, 2002 at 08:15:56AM +0900, Oohara Yuuma wrote: On Tue, 27 Aug 2002 20:00:10 +, Brian M. Carlson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Debian should not be using non-free software on its own systems.

Bug#158533: project: qmail is installed on murphy

2002-08-28 Thread Branden Robinson
On Wed, Aug 28, 2002 at 10:47:27AM -0400, Daniel Jacobowitz wrote: I'll leave more details for our listmasters to share, if they want to. I have confidence in their judgement, and the problem IS being looked at as the responsible individuals can find time. I'd like to ask that someone

Bug#158533: project: qmail is installed on murphy

2002-08-28 Thread Daniel Jacobowitz
On Wed, Aug 28, 2002 at 08:37:52PM +0200, Josip Rodin wrote: On Wed, Aug 28, 2002 at 01:38:41PM -0400, Daniel Jacobowitz wrote: I'll leave more details for our listmasters to share, if they want to. I have confidence in their judgement, and the problem IS being looked at as the

Bug#158533: project: qmail is installed on murphy

2002-08-28 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
* Daniel Jacobowitz | On Wed, Aug 28, 2002 at 12:24:26PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: | On Wed, Aug 28, 2002 at 10:47:27AM -0400, Daniel Jacobowitz wrote: | I'll leave more details for our listmasters to share, if they want to. | I have confidence in their judgement, and the problem IS

Re: Bug#158533: project: qmail is installed on murphy

2002-08-28 Thread Jason Gunthorpe
On 29 Aug 2002, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: FWIW, Mailman 2.1 will be able to VERP properly. MM is used on other small installations like sf.net, python.org and apple.com, so I think it should be able to scale. /plug Yes, and for a good long time sf.net at least was not larger than us and had

Bug#158533: project: qmail is installed on murphy

2002-08-27 Thread Brian M. Carlson
Package: project Version: N/A; reported 2002-08-27 Severity: serious Justification: violates Social Contract 1, 4, and 5 (maybe others) The subject says it all. qmail is installed on murphy.debian.org. qmail is non-free. Debian should not be using non-free software on its own systems. I will

Bug#158533: project: qmail is installed on murphy

2002-08-27 Thread Oohara Yuuma
On Tue, 27 Aug 2002 20:00:10 +, Brian M. Carlson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Debian should not be using non-free software on its own systems. Debian Project is not FSF. Debian Will Remain 100% Free Software I think this Debian means the Debian distribution, not a specific Debian machine. --