Re: Concerns with Open/OS Corporate Linux ads?

2006-09-24 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Henning Makholm wrote: As a random data point, take DSA-1116 (a buffer overrun with no known exploit, in a quite popular piece of desktop software), where I happen to have a timeline: July 1 - reported privately to security team, with patch July 6 - bug goes public through upstream's BTS,

Re: Concerns with Open/OS Corporate Linux ads?

2006-08-30 Thread Lionel Elie Mamane
On Tue, Aug 29, 2006 at 07:17:39PM +0200, martin f krafft wrote: I am holding in my hands the 09/06 copy of the German Linux Magazin, and on page 76, opensourcefactory.com has advertised Open/OS Corporate Linux [0], which apparently makes Debian mature. While I applaud their efforts and I

Re: Concerns with Open/OS Corporate Linux ads?

2006-08-30 Thread Martin Schulze
Henning Makholm wrote: Scripsit martin f krafft [EMAIL PROTECTED] also sprach Henning Makholm [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006.08.29.2310 +0200]: July 6 - bug goes public through upstream's BTS, Debian bug filed July 21 - fixed in sarge, DSA released I know this is a ridiculous time span, but

Reduce security release latency - Re: Concerns with Open/OS Corporate Linux ads?

2006-08-30 Thread Alexander Sack
On Tue, Aug 29, 2006 at 11:58:16PM +0200, martin f krafft wrote: also sprach Henning Makholm [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006.08.29.2310 +0200]: We also shouldn't fool ourselves into thinking that a commercial repackager with a real dedication to security support (say, by hiring a handful of

Re: Concerns with Open/OS Corporate Linux ads?

2006-08-30 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006.08.30.0236 +0100]: Perhaps ask them kindly to either contribute their work back to Debian, or stop using Debian in their advertising and packaging. This is what I was thinking about. However, is it what we want? After all, I think we *want* them

Re: Concerns with Open/OS Corporate Linux ads?

2006-08-30 Thread Ottavio Caruso
martin f krafft wrote: and since their ad is entitled Debian of full age, it kind of suggests that Debian per se is immature, a child, an assertion I'd strongly oppose. I can't see the 'Debian of full age' thing, I am not very fluent in German but I can't see any reference to this statement.

Re: Concerns with Open/OS Corporate Linux ads?

2006-08-30 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Ottavio Caruso [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006.08.30.1048 +0100]: I can't see the 'Debian of full age' thing, I am not very fluent in German but I can't see any reference to this statement. The title: Debian volljährig! -- Please do not send copies of list mail to me; I read the list!

Re: Reduce security release latency - Re: Concerns with Open/OS Corporate Linux ads?

2006-08-30 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Wed, 30 Aug 2006, Alexander Sack wrote: Of course, we don't want to have 2nd class architectures, but waiting for architectures to finish that are used only by a minority looks flawed either. Especially if there is a buildd breakage involved. Zero tolerance for buildd breakage should be a

Re: Concerns with Open/OS Corporate Linux ads?

2006-08-30 Thread MJ Ray
martin f krafft [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am holding in my hands the 09/06 copy of the German Linux Magazin, and on page 76, opensourcefactory.com has advertised Open/OS Corporate Linux [0], which apparently makes Debian mature. [...] I'd be interested in what people think. Am I just

Re: Concerns with Open/OS Corporate Linux ads?

2006-08-30 Thread Moritz Muehlenhoff
martin f krafft wrote: and that they add support and maintenance, which adds the features - reliable release cycle - newest packages - security team - security administration Their latest security update is from February... Cheers, Moritz -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to

Concerns with Open/OS Corporate Linux ads?

2006-08-29 Thread martin f krafft
Hi, I am holding in my hands the 09/06 copy of the German Linux Magazin, and on page 76, opensourcefactory.com has advertised Open/OS Corporate Linux [0], which apparently makes Debian mature. 0. http://www.open-os.com/cms/index.php?page=Home It calls our distro reliable and secure and states

Re: Concerns with Open/OS Corporate Linux ads?

2006-08-29 Thread Benjamin Mesing
Hello, It calls our distro reliable and secure and states that they add maturity and corporate readiness. Then they go on to state that Debian is - reliable - secure - upgradeable - integrateable - preconfigured - remotely administratable and that they add support and

Re: Concerns with Open/OS Corporate Linux ads?

2006-08-29 Thread Benjamin Mesing
Hello, And Debian has lacked security support for new software for a long time (I believe testing is supported now). What I meant to say here is, that testing with the latest relatively stable software in it, had no security support in the past. and since their ad is entitled Debian of full

Re: Concerns with Open/OS Corporate Linux ads?

2006-08-29 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit Benjamin Mesing [EMAIL PROTECTED] - we have our own security team That isn't negated by their add, in fact they state that Debian is secure. And Debian has lacked security support for new software for a long time (I believe testing is supported now). We also shouldn't fool

Re: Concerns with Open/OS Corporate Linux ads?

2006-08-29 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Henning Makholm [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006.08.29.2310 +0200]: We also shouldn't fool ourselves into thinking that a commercial repackager with a real dedication to security support (say, by hiring a handful of full-time employees to keep it current, and also by restricting their

Re: Concerns with Open/OS Corporate Linux ads?

2006-08-29 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit martin f krafft [EMAIL PROTECTED] also sprach Henning Makholm [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006.08.29.2310 +0200]: July 6 - bug goes public through upstream's BTS, Debian bug filed July 21 - fixed in sarge, DSA released I know this is a ridiculous time span, but it's better than nothing.

Re: Concerns with Open/OS Corporate Linux ads?

2006-08-29 Thread Adeodato Simó
* martin f krafft [Tue, 29 Aug 2006 19:17:39 +0200]: Then they go on to state that Debian is - reliable - secure - upgradeable - integrateable - preconfigured - remotely administratable and that they add support and maintenance, which adds the features - reliable release