Re: Debian Hardened project (question about use of the "Debian" trademark)

2004-09-20 Thread Steve Kemp
On Sat, Sep 18, 2004 at 01:51:53PM +0200, Lorenzo Hernandez Garcia-Hierro wrote: > - We put first the patched GCC & Glibc packages (Steve, your 2 cents :D) > - We send an advice to the mailing-lists, we write a little "guideline" > for new development way, telling what the developer needs (and wha

Re: Debian Hardened project (question about use of the "Debian" trademark)

2004-09-20 Thread Lars Wirzenius
ma, 2004-09-20 kello 12:01, Tapio Lehtonen kirjoitti: > What about calling the project "Debian even more hardened". That would > not imply that the original Debian is somehow not secure. Call it "Debian woody was not hard enough and sarge isn't either", perhaps? After all, if all goes well, etch w

Re: Debian Hardened project (question about use of the "Debian" trademark)

2004-09-20 Thread Tapio Lehtonen
On Sun, Sep 19, 2004 at 02:12:54PM +0100, Martin Michlmayr wrote: > * Lorenzo Hernandez Garcia-Hierro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2004-09-15 15:22]: > > That's the reason because it's called *Debian* Hardened... and, did > > you the comments on /.? If you did, you should know a good example > > of another

Re: Debian Hardened project (question about use of the "Debian"trademark)

2004-09-19 Thread Felipe Augusto van de Wiel (faw)
Gunnar Wolf wrote: :: I would go a bit further: I am not convinced the :: project name's choice was quite adequate. The :: slogan 'secure by default' was made by the OpenBSD :: team mainly to assert they ship with the minimum :: active services possible to have a working, useful, :: usable system.

Re: Debian Hardened project (question about use of the "Debian"trademark)

2004-09-19 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Felipe Augusto van de Wiel (faw) dijo [Sun, Sep 19, 2004 at 06:45:12PM -0300]: > I was on Alioth and on 2004.09.14, a new > project called "Debian: Secure by Default", was > launched. > > If you check the site and the mission > statement, it looks like pretty much with you > pourpose.

Re: Debian Hardened project (question about use of the "Debian"trademark)

2004-09-19 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Martin Michlmayr dijo [Sun, Sep 19, 2004 at 02:12:54PM +0100]: > I've read the comments and maybe "hardened" is an appropriate name for > such an effort. I don't know, and I'm aware that I'm overly > conservative in such regards, but so far I have not seen many other > Debian developers saying tha

Re: Debian Hardened project (question about use of the "Debian" trademark)

2004-09-19 Thread Felipe Augusto van de Wiel (faw)
Hi, Lorenzo Hernandez Garcia-Hierro wrote: :: [...] :: The idea (i repeat) is now that the packages :: should be recompiled, passed to a temporal pool, :: tested, and then moved to the 'main' pool, :: without creating branches/sub-trees/brands/etc, :: and just making all the packages, hardened, :

Re: Debian Hardened project (question about use of the "Debian" trademark)

2004-09-19 Thread Michael Banck
On Sun, Sep 19, 2004 at 09:33:44PM +0200, Lorenzo Hernandez Garcia-Hierro wrote: > The idea (i repeat) is now that the packages should be recompiled, > passed to a temporal pool, tested, and then moved to the 'main' pool, > without creating branches/sub-trees/brands/etc, and just making all the > p

Re: Debian Hardened project (question about use of the "Debian" trademark)

2004-09-19 Thread Lorenzo Hernandez Garcia-Hierro
Hi Martin, El dom, 19-09-2004 a las 15:12, Martin Michlmayr escribió: > * Lorenzo Hernandez Garcia-Hierro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2004-09-15 15:22]: > > That's the reason because it's called *Debian* Hardened... and, did > > you the comments on /.? If you did, you should know a good example > > of an

Re: Debian Hardened project (question about use of the "Debian" trademark)

2004-09-19 Thread Martin Michlmayr
* Lorenzo Hernandez Garcia-Hierro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2004-09-15 15:22]: > That's the reason because it's called *Debian* Hardened... and, did > you the comments on /.? If you did, you should know a good example > of another distro that is currently developing something alike: > Hardened Gentoo.

Re: Debian Hardened project (question about use of the "Debian" trademark)

2004-09-18 Thread Michael Banck
Hi, On Sat, Sep 18, 2004 at 01:51:53PM +0200, Lorenzo Hernandez Garcia-Hierro wrote: > Yes, it will take long time to complete ALL the tree, but i have this > idea: > - We put first the patched GCC & Glibc packages (Steve, your 2 cents :D) > - We send an advice to the mailing-lists, we write a lit

Re: Debian Hardened project (question about use of the "Debian" trademark)

2004-09-18 Thread Lorenzo Hernandez Garcia-Hierro
Hi Steve!! El sáb, 18-09-2004 a las 00:39, Steve Kemp escribió: > On Fri, Sep 17, 2004 at 10:55:33PM +0200, Lorenzo Hernandez Garcia-Hierro > wrote: > > > Yes.The `apt-get install hardened? was an example of something 100% easy > > to use :D > > Unfortunately whilst easy to use is good the id

Re: Debian Hardened project (question about use of the "Debian" trademark)

2004-09-17 Thread Steve Kemp
On Fri, Sep 17, 2004 at 10:55:33PM +0200, Lorenzo Hernandez Garcia-Hierro wrote: > Yes.The `apt-get install hardened? was an example of something 100% easy > to use :D Unfortunately whilst easy to use is good the idea of rebuilding the packages presented so far isn't going to be easy to setup.

Re: Debian Hardened project (question about use of the "Debian" trademark)

2004-09-17 Thread John Richard Moser
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Lorenzo Hernandez Garcia-Hierro wrote: [...] Good, at least you understand that :) |> |>Yes and then the program halts and gets SIGABRT. Do you not know what a |>DoS attack is? |> |>[...] | | | Duty of Shame ? | OK, leaving the Fun Mode off... |

Re: Debian Hardened project (question about use of the "Debian" trademark)

2004-09-17 Thread Lorenzo Hernandez Garcia-Hierro
Hi John, El sáb, 18-09-2004 a las 00:20, John Richard Moser escribió: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > > > Lorenzo Hernandez Garcia-Hierro wrote: > > [...] > > Good, at least you understand that :) > > |> > |>Yes and then the program halts and gets SIGABRT. Do you not k

Re: Debian Hardened project (question about use of the "Debian" trademark)

2004-09-17 Thread Lorenzo Hernandez Garcia-Hierro
Hi John! El vie, 17-09-2004 a las 21:51, John Richard Moser escribió: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > > > Lorenzo Hernandez Garcia-Hierro wrote: > | Hi John, > | > | El vie, 17-09-2004 a las 19:04, John Richard Moser escribió: > | > |>-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > |

Re: Debian Hardened project (question about use of the "Debian" trademark)

2004-09-17 Thread John Richard Moser
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Lorenzo Hernandez Garcia-Hierro wrote: | Hi John, | | El vie, 17-09-2004 a las 19:04, John Richard Moser escribió: | |>-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- |>Hash: SHA1 |> |> |> |>Lorenzo Hernandez Garcia-Hierro wrote: |>| Hi, |>| |> |>[...] |> [...]

Re: Debian Hardened project (question about use of the "Debian" trademark)

2004-09-17 Thread Lorenzo Hernandez Garcia-Hierro
Hi John, El vie, 17-09-2004 a las 19:04, John Richard Moser escribió: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > > > Lorenzo Hernandez Garcia-Hierro wrote: > | Hi, > | > > [...] > > | Debian Hardened is like Debian Junior, and the rest of subprojects. > | *We* must provide the best

Re: Debian Hardened project (question about use of the "Debian" trademark)

2004-09-17 Thread John Richard Moser
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Lorenzo Hernandez Garcia-Hierro wrote: | Hi, | [...] | Debian Hardened is like Debian Junior, and the rest of subprojects. | *We* must provide the best (and the easiest) way to harden Debian for | advanced users, sysadmins or just people that want

Re: Debian Hardened project (question about use of the "Debian" trademark)

2004-09-15 Thread Lorenzo Hernandez Garcia-Hierro
Hi, El mié, 15-09-2004 a las 09:35, Sven Luther escribió: > On Tue, Sep 14, 2004 at 04:40:53PM +0100, Martin Michlmayr wrote: > > * Lorenzo Hernandez Garcia-Hierro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2004-09-08 16:26]: > > > I want to know if i can use the trademark "Debian" on the name of a > > > project that i

Re: Debian Hardened project (question about use of the "Debian" trademark)

2004-09-15 Thread Lorenzo Hernandez Garcia-Hierro
El mié, 15-09-2004 a las 02:25, Martin Michlmayr escribió: > * Lorenzo Hernandez Garcia-Hierro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2004-09-14 22:20]: > > I want to see Debian Hardened as an official Debian subproject > > *sigh* I wasn't aware the procedure for becoming an official Debian > subproject was to ann

Re: Debian Hardened project (question about use of the "Debian" trademark)

2004-09-15 Thread Sven Luther
On Tue, Sep 14, 2004 at 04:40:53PM +0100, Martin Michlmayr wrote: > * Lorenzo Hernandez Garcia-Hierro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2004-09-08 16:26]: > > I want to know if i can use the trademark "Debian" on the name of a > > project that i've started , "Debian Hardened" which i want to see as > > an offic

Re: Debian Hardened project (question about use of the "Debian" trademark)

2004-09-14 Thread Martin Michlmayr
* Lorenzo Hernandez Garcia-Hierro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2004-09-14 22:20]: > I want to see Debian Hardened as an official Debian subproject *sigh* I wasn't aware the procedure for becoming an official Debian subproject was to announce the project on slashdot. http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04

Re: Debian Hardened project (question about use of the "Debian" trademark)

2004-09-14 Thread Felipe Augusto van de Wiel (faw)
Hi Lorenzo, Martin, lists, Lorenzo Hernandez Garcia-Hierro wrote: :: Hi Martin, :: El mar, 14-09-2004 a las 17:40, Martin Michlmayr escribió: * Lorenzo Hernandez Garcia-Hierro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2004-09-08 16:26]: :: I want to know if i can use the trademark "Debian" on :: th

Re: Debian Hardened project (question about use of the "Debian" trademark)

2004-09-14 Thread Lorenzo Hernandez Garcia-Hierro
Hi Martin, El mar, 14-09-2004 a las 17:40, Martin Michlmayr escribió: > * Lorenzo Hernandez Garcia-Hierro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2004-09-08 16:26]: > > I want to know if i can use the trademark "Debian" on the name of a > > project that i've started , "Debian Hardened" which i want to see as > > an

Re: Debian Hardened project (question about use of the "Debian" trademark)

2004-09-14 Thread Martin Michlmayr
* Lorenzo Hernandez Garcia-Hierro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2004-09-08 16:26]: > I want to know if i can use the trademark "Debian" on the name of a > project that i've started , "Debian Hardened" which i want to see as > an official Debian sup-project. I personally feel that this name has the same pro