Re: Deficiencies in Debian

2007-07-13 Thread gregor herrmann
On Fri, 18 May 2007 22:09:56 -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: [training the next generation] I'm not following the Linux community closely; do you think there are points Debian could adopt or learn from? I try to summarize (hopefully correctly) your points: With Linux, I think it helps a lot

Re: Deficiencies in Debian

2007-07-13 Thread Russ Allbery
gregor herrmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Fri, 18 May 2007 22:09:56 -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: And one of the best things about the Linux model is that Linus regularly talks about how he wants things done and what leads him to take stuff or not take stuff in public on the lists, which

Re: Deficiencies in Debian

2007-05-18 Thread Russ Allbery
Raphael Hertzog [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Thu, 10 May 2007, Russ Allbery wrote: In a workplace environment, this sort of thing is often addressed by putting mentoring and staff development on the performance goals of senior staff and freeing up time that they're supposed to dedicate to

Re: Deficiencies in Debian

2007-05-15 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Thu, May 10, 2007 at 11:14:32PM +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote: I've documented the Alioth team and I'll probably continue doing something similar for some other teams that I know quite well. This is very recent, I started it this week and I'd like to have some feedback on the structure of

Re: Deficiencies in Debian

2007-05-11 Thread Sven Luther
On Thu, May 10, 2007 at 01:42:37PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: gregor herrmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [cc and reply-to/m-f-t [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Thu, 10 May 2007 12:32:26 -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: There are other things that *are* signs of fundamental deficiencies in the project,

Re: Deficiencies in Debian

2007-05-11 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hi, On Thu, 10 May 2007, gregor herrmann wrote: * I'd move the Task description to the top - IMO what's it all about/what's the objective? has the top-most priority. Not really IMO. The very short description on the Teams page is enough to understand what the team is about. This paragraph

Re: Deficiencies in Debian

2007-05-11 Thread Raphael Hertzog
[ For people on debian-www, we're speaking of http://wiki.debian.org/Teams ] On Fri, 11 May 2007, Charles Plessy wrote: One problem I see with Usual roles with names in, is that it is another page to keep in sync with http://www.debian.org/intro/organization and I know that there's some

Re: Deficiencies in Debian

2007-05-11 Thread Holger Levsen
Hi, On Friday 11 May 2007 08:46, Raphael Hertzog wrote: BTW, the list for Alioth administration is wrong in the website. Wichert Akkerman has left and we recruited Stephen Gran. fixed in CVS. regards, Holger pgpmg0xcK7P7D.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: Deficiencies in Debian

2007-05-11 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Fri, May 11, 2007 at 08:32:23AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: You mean like the when the problems i now have are a direct result of me THIS THREAD IS NOT ABOUT YOU PLEASE. PLEASE LEAVE. -- Hamish Moffatt VK3SB [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Deficiencies in Debian

2007-05-11 Thread Sven Luther
On Fri, May 11, 2007 at 07:56:09PM +1000, Hamish Moffatt wrote: On Fri, May 11, 2007 at 08:32:23AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: You mean like the when the problems i now have are a direct result of me THIS THREAD IS NOT ABOUT YOU PLEASE. PLEASE LEAVE. Then please comment on the second part of

Re: Deficiencies in Debian

2007-05-11 Thread Sam Hocevar
On Fri, May 11, 2007, Sven Luther wrote: On Fri, May 11, 2007 at 07:56:09PM +1000, Hamish Moffatt wrote: THIS THREAD IS NOT ABOUT YOU PLEASE. PLEASE LEAVE. Then please comment on the second part of my post, and stop making it an attack on me instead. You are as much responsible of what

Re: Deficiencies in Debian

2007-05-11 Thread Sven Luther
On Fri, May 11, 2007 at 04:13:48PM +0200, Sam Hocevar wrote: On Fri, May 11, 2007, Sven Luther wrote: On Fri, May 11, 2007 at 07:56:09PM +1000, Hamish Moffatt wrote: THIS THREAD IS NOT ABOUT YOU PLEASE. PLEASE LEAVE. Then please comment on the second part of my post, and stop making

Re: Deficiencies in Debian

2007-05-11 Thread Julien BLACHE
Sam Hocevar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please, Sven. There is already one thread about you in -vote where you are already copiously posting and that people are acutely following. I therefore suggest restricting your interventions to that thread. And a third one on debian-powerpc. Having

Re: Deficiencies in Debian

2007-05-11 Thread Sam Hocevar
On Fri, May 11, 2007, Sven Luther wrote: Please, Sven. There is already one thread about you in -vote where you are already copiously posting and that people are acutely following. I therefore suggest restricting your interventions to that thread. Sam, please tell me, what in the

Re: Deficiencies in Debian

2007-05-11 Thread Sven Luther
On Fri, May 11, 2007 at 05:17:01PM +0200, Sam Hocevar wrote: On Fri, May 11, 2007, Sven Luther wrote: Please, Sven. There is already one thread about you in -vote where you are already copiously posting and that people are acutely following. I therefore suggest restricting your

Re: Deficiencies in Debian

2007-05-11 Thread gregor herrmann
On Fri, 11 May 2007 08:33:01 +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote: I've documented the Alioth team and I'll probably continue doing something similar for some other teams that I know quite well. I hope you do that for the Debian Perl Group so that I don't have to learn the wiki stuff ;-)

Deficiencies in Debian (was: A question to the Debian community ...)

2007-05-10 Thread gregor herrmann
[cc and reply-to/m-f-t [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Thu, 10 May 2007 12:32:26 -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: There are other things that *are* signs of fundamental deficiencies in the project, Would you mind to elaborate on this point, I'm really interested in your opinion. Cheers, gregor -- .''`.

Re: Deficiencies in Debian

2007-05-10 Thread Russ Allbery
gregor herrmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [cc and reply-to/m-f-t [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Thu, 10 May 2007 12:32:26 -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: There are other things that *are* signs of fundamental deficiencies in the project, Would you mind to elaborate on this point, I'm really interested in

Re: Deficiencies in Debian

2007-05-10 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Thu, 10 May 2007, Russ Allbery wrote: In a workplace environment, this sort of thing is often addressed by putting mentoring and staff development on the performance goals of senior staff and freeing up time that they're supposed to dedicate to training and documentation. Debian doesn't

Re: Deficiencies in Debian

2007-05-10 Thread gregor herrmann
On Thu, 10 May 2007 13:42:37 -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: There are other things that *are* signs of fundamental deficiencies in the project, Would you mind to elaborate on this point, I'm really interested in your opinion. The biggest problem with most open source / free software projects

Re: Deficiencies in Debian

2007-05-10 Thread gregor herrmann
On Thu, 10 May 2007 23:14:32 +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote: Debian doesn't have that luxury, and I don't know what, if anything, we can effectively do at a project organization level to accomplish a similar goal. What about doing something like that ? http://wiki.debian.org/Teams Looks

Re: Deficiencies in Debian

2007-05-10 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Thu, May 10, 2007 at 11:59:40PM +0200, gregor herrmann a écrit : On Thu, 10 May 2007 23:14:32 +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote: I started it this week and I'd like to have some feedback on the structure of the template page (see http://wiki.debian.org/TeamTemplate). Are the important