Re: Expulsions Policy

2019-01-06 Thread Manuel A. Fernandez Montecelo
2019-01-06 01:03 Steve Langasek: On Sat, Jan 05, 2019 at 06:48:31PM +1000, Russell Stuart wrote: It probably isn't, because that effort you say is so unreasonable - the the DAM actually do it. Did see read the their private email to the person concerned - that would be it. This thing you are

Re: Expulsions Policy

2019-01-05 Thread Steve Langasek
On Sat, Jan 05, 2019 at 06:48:31PM +1000, Russell Stuart wrote: > > On the FTP Team (of which I'm a non-delegated Assistant) it can take > > weeks to get agreement on text to send out on an issue.  The email I > > sent relatively recently to d-d-a regarding the team's view on > > listing

Re: Expulsions Policy

2019-01-05 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Saturday, January 05, 2019 06:48:31 PM Russell Stuart wrote: > On Fri, 2019-01-04 at 23:56 -0500, Scott Kitterman wrote: > > No. That's not how Debian works. This is a volunteer effort, not a > > bureaucracy. Delegates are delegated certain authorities and it's up > > to them to decide how

Re: Expulsions Policy

2019-01-05 Thread Russell Stuart
On Fri, 2019-01-04 at 23:56 -0500, Scott Kitterman wrote: > No.  That's not how Debian works. This is a volunteer effort, not a  > bureaucracy.  Delegates are delegated certain authorities and it's up > to them to decide how to exercise them.  If the larger DD community > sufficiently disagrees,

Re: Expulsions Policy

2019-01-04 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Saturday, January 05, 2019 02:34:14 PM Russell Stuart wrote: I have comments only a a couple of the points you raised: > On Fri, 2019-01-04 at 10:57 +, Ulrike Uhlig wrote: > > You are misrepresenting this: it has been said outside of this list > > that this does not represent an expulsion

Re: Expulsions Policy

2019-01-04 Thread Russell Stuart
On Fri, 2019-01-04 at 10:57 +, Ulrike Uhlig wrote: > You are misrepresenting this: it has been said outside of this list > that this does not represent an expulsion procedure but a procedure > that makes it possible for DDs to make DAM consider an removal of > privileges, because that's what

Re: Expulsions Policy

2019-01-04 Thread Ulrike Uhlig
Hi! Russell Stuart: > As far as I can tell, the only place document that defining Debian > current policy on expelling members is published is here: > > http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/08/msg5.html > > That would be a 13 year old post to a mailing list. To be fair a

Expulsions Policy

2019-01-04 Thread Russell Stuart
It's been made plain to me I've done a bad job of explaining myself on debian-private, and besides it's really the wrong list. The main thrust of this post is Debian has done a very poor job of maintaining it's policy on expelling members, followed by suggestion for improvements to the policy.