Re: FW: Mail forwarding in return for Debian donation

2004-12-02 Thread Enrico Zini
On Wed, Dec 01, 2004 at 10:22:57PM +, Andrew Suffield wrote: Being in a position to know, much more so than yourself, I can say that you are mistaken. I can also point to thousands of lines of patches, representing work funded by Canonical, which are now present in Debian or filed in

Re: FW: Mail forwarding in return for Debian donation

2004-12-01 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Tue, Nov 30, 2004 at 01:09:19PM -0800, Matt Zimmerman wrote: On Tue, Nov 30, 2004 at 08:35:51PM +, Andrew Suffield wrote: On Tue, Nov 30, 2004 at 06:19:32PM +0100, Pete van der Spoel wrote: Or is the whole Ubuntu thing (where I understand Mark Shuttleworth has hired a large

Re: FW: Mail forwarding in return for Debian donation

2004-12-01 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Wed, Dec 01, 2004 at 09:15:00PM +, Andrew Suffield wrote: On Tue, Nov 30, 2004 at 01:09:19PM -0800, Matt Zimmerman wrote: On Tue, Nov 30, 2004 at 08:35:51PM +, Andrew Suffield wrote: On Tue, Nov 30, 2004 at 06:19:32PM +0100, Pete van der Spoel wrote: Or is the whole Ubuntu

Re: FW: Mail forwarding in return for Debian donation

2004-12-01 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Wed, Dec 01, 2004 at 09:15:00PM +, Andrew Suffield wrote: On Tue, Nov 30, 2004 at 01:09:19PM -0800, Matt Zimmerman wrote: Fortunately, that is not the case with Canonical. Yes it is. Fork and forget is Canonical's modus operandi (despite all the PR claiming otherwise). Being in a

Re: FW: Mail forwarding in return for Debian donation

2004-12-01 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Wed, Dec 01, 2004 at 01:28:19PM -0800, Matt Zimmerman wrote: On Wed, Dec 01, 2004 at 09:15:00PM +, Andrew Suffield wrote: On Tue, Nov 30, 2004 at 01:09:19PM -0800, Matt Zimmerman wrote: Fortunately, that is not the case with Canonical. Yes it is. Fork and forget is Canonical's

Re: FW: Mail forwarding in return for Debian donation

2004-12-01 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Thu, Dec 02, 2004 at 08:23:44AM +1100, Matthew Palmer wrote: On Wed, Dec 01, 2004 at 09:15:00PM +, Andrew Suffield wrote: On Tue, Nov 30, 2004 at 01:09:19PM -0800, Matt Zimmerman wrote: On Tue, Nov 30, 2004 at 08:35:51PM +, Andrew Suffield wrote: On Tue, Nov 30, 2004 at

Re: FW: Mail forwarding in return for Debian donation

2004-12-01 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Wed, Dec 01, 2004 at 10:22:57PM +, Andrew Suffield wrote: Being in a position of judging the facts without preconceptions, I can point to plenty more that aren't. The fact that not _everything_ has been submitted yet still doesn't support your (exaggerated) argument. That figure will

FW: Mail forwarding in return for Debian donation

2004-11-30 Thread Pete van der Spoel
Hi all, I first mailed my suggestion to [EMAIL PROTECTED], who redirected me here. My mail is below, hopefully not everyone is as negative as Joey ;-) Regards, Pete -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: Martin Schulze [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Verzonden: dinsdag 30 november 2004 16:21 Aan:

Re: FW: Mail forwarding in return for Debian donation

2004-11-30 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Tue, 30 Nov 2004, Pete van der Spoel wrote: Isn't this a great idea that Debian could borrow? I think this could generate some nice publicity/income for the Debian project, I mean you've already got the domain name. Personaly I'd rather donate to Debian than to the FSF, I think

RE: FW: Mail forwarding in return for Debian donation

2004-11-30 Thread Pete van der Spoel
Agreed. I think it is a *bad* idea, we have enough problems getting consensus on what developers using @debian.org addresses can do with their Debian work email address, and what they cannot do with it. There is absolutely no need to add more trouble to the mix. There is no way we

Re: FW: Mail forwarding in return for Debian donation

2004-11-30 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Tue, Nov 30, 2004 at 04:42:35PM +0100, Pete van der Spoel wrote: I was looking to make a contribution to some aspect of the open source movement and noticed that the FSF (in America at least) gives 5 email aliases in the member.fsf.org domain, see

Re: FW: Mail forwarding in return for Debian donation

2004-11-30 Thread Martin Schulze
Andrew Suffield wrote: Isn't this a great idea that Debian could borrow? I think this could generate some nice publicity/income for the Debian project, I mean you've already got the domain name. Personaly I'd rather donate to Debian than to the FSF, I think Debian needs it more.

RE: FW: Mail forwarding in return for Debian donation

2004-11-30 Thread Pete van der Spoel
We don't have any use for money right now. What we have mostly just sits in a bank account getting slowly devalued by inflation. So fund raising exercises aren't really a good idea. Oh. Okay at least I don't have to feel bad about using Debian and not contributing, but I have to say I find

Re: FW: Mail forwarding in return for Debian donation

2004-11-30 Thread Martin Schulze
Pete van der Spoel wrote: We don't have any use for money right now. What we have mostly just sits in a bank account getting slowly devalued by inflation. So fund raising exercises aren't really a good idea. Oh. Okay at least I don't have to feel bad about using Debian and not

Re: FW: Mail forwarding in return for Debian donation

2004-11-30 Thread John Hasler
Pete writes: Surely Debian has developers that would love to spend more time working on Debian than on their day-jobs, but don't do so because they need to pay the rent etc? I'm sure I'm not the only developer who would love to paid to work on Debian, but I don't think Debian has ever

Re: FW: Mail forwarding in return for Debian donation

2004-11-30 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Tue, 30 Nov 2004, Pete van der Spoel wrote: We don't have any use for money right now. What we have mostly just sits in a bank account getting slowly devalued by inflation. So fund raising exercises aren't really a good idea. Oh. Okay at least I don't have to feel bad about using

Re: FW: Mail forwarding in return for Debian donation

2004-11-30 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Tue, Nov 30, 2004 at 06:16:53PM +0100, Martin Schulze wrote: Andrew Suffield wrote: Isn't this a great idea that Debian could borrow? I think this could generate some nice publicity/income for the Debian project, I mean you've already got the domain name. Personaly I'd rather

Re: FW: Mail forwarding in return for Debian donation

2004-11-30 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Tue, Nov 30, 2004 at 06:19:32PM +0100, Pete van der Spoel wrote: We don't have any use for money right now. What we have mostly just sits in a bank account getting slowly devalued by inflation. So fund raising exercises aren't really a good idea. Oh. Okay at least I don't have to

Re: FW: Mail forwarding in return for Debian donation

2004-11-30 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Tue, Nov 30, 2004 at 08:35:51PM +, Andrew Suffield wrote: On Tue, Nov 30, 2004 at 06:19:32PM +0100, Pete van der Spoel wrote: Or is the whole Ubuntu thing (where I understand Mark Shuttleworth has hired a large number of the senior Debian developers) considered to be the solution to