Re: On having and using a Code of Conduct

2019-01-05 Thread Joerg Jaspert
On 15273 March 1977, Matthew Vernon wrote: Appeals to the DPL wouldn't be compatible with the current version of our constitution. That is sort-of orthogonal to whether they'd be a good idea or not :) Yes, I see that the constitution specifically prohibits the DPL from withdrawing the

Re: On having and using a Code of Conduct

2019-01-05 Thread Matthew Vernon
Jonathan Wiltshire writes: > On Fri, Jan 04, 2019 at 11:26:01AM +, Matthew Vernon wrote: >> Ben Hutchings writes: >> >> > On Thu, 2019-01-03 at 11:26 -0700, Eldon Koyle wrote: >> >> 5. There doesn't appear to be an appeals process (contact DAM?) >> > [...] >> > >> > There is, since any

Re: On having and using a Code of Conduct

2019-01-04 Thread Eldon Koyle
Hi Jonathan, On Fri, Jan 4, 2019 at 4:34 PM Jonathan Wiltshire wrote: > > On Thu, Jan 03, 2019 at 11:26:11AM -0700, Eldon Koyle wrote: > > I think there are many who are concerned about the process, not the CoC > > itself. Here are the main concerns as I see them (at least from the few > > who

Re: On having and using a Code of Conduct

2019-01-04 Thread Jonathan Wiltshire
On Thu, Jan 03, 2019 at 11:26:11AM -0700, Eldon Koyle wrote: > I think there are many who are concerned about the process, not the CoC > itself. Here are the main concerns as I see them (at least from the few > who have come forward), and I believe these are the reasons that people > are

Re: On having and using a Code of Conduct

2019-01-04 Thread Jonathan Wiltshire
On Fri, Jan 04, 2019 at 11:26:01AM +, Matthew Vernon wrote: > Ben Hutchings writes: > > > On Thu, 2019-01-03 at 11:26 -0700, Eldon Koyle wrote: > >> 5. There doesn't appear to be an appeals process (contact DAM?) > > [...] > > > > There is, since any decision by the DPL or a delegate can

Re: On having and using a Code of Conduct

2019-01-04 Thread Jonathan Wiltshire
On Fri, Jan 04, 2019 at 10:57:00PM +0100, Bernd Zeimetz wrote: > In my opinion, all kinds of decisions should be done > by a team that has the delegation to do them - DAM. Nobody else. The only delegated power available to DAM is to rule on who is a member of the project - nothing more, nothing

Re: On having and using a Code of Conduct

2019-01-04 Thread Bernd Zeimetz
On 1/3/19 9:39 PM, Ben Hutchings wrote: > The anti-harassment team is the usual contact point for complaints and > can recommend actions to the DAMs (or other teams) but doesn't have > delegated powers (as I understand it). With 99662c15 ยท Remove Norbert Preining (anti-harassment team

Re: On having and using a Code of Conduct

2019-01-04 Thread Matthew Vernon
Ben Hutchings writes: > On Thu, 2019-01-03 at 11:26 -0700, Eldon Koyle wrote: >> 5. There doesn't appear to be an appeals process (contact DAM?) > [...] > > There is, since any decision by the DPL or a delegate can be overridden > by General Resolution. This isn't really an appeals process in

Re: On having and using a Code of Conduct

2019-01-03 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Thu, 2019-01-03 at 11:26 -0700, Eldon Koyle wrote: > Hi all, > > On Wed, Jan 2, 2019 at 5:25 AM Steve McIntyre wrote: > > > For those trying to undermine it with statements like "I'm worried > > I'll be thrown out of Debian if I make a single mistake", please give > > it a rest already.

Re: On having and using a Code of Conduct

2019-01-03 Thread Eldon Koyle
Hi all, On Wed, Jan 2, 2019 at 5:25 AM Steve McIntyre wrote: > > For those trying to undermine it with statements like "I'm worried > I'll be thrown out of Debian if I make a single mistake", please give > it a rest already. These are basic principles on how we want all > people to interact.

On having and using a Code of Conduct

2019-01-02 Thread Steve McIntyre
Hey folks, We've been having some very tense discussions in various fora lately, and it's striking that yet again we seem to be re-hashing arguments about having a Code of Conduct [1], and enforcing it. It's massively draining, and should not be necessary. Fundamentally, I don't believe the