All,
I'd like to sign the statement as well.
Hans-Georg Bork
- debian user since the early days of hamm -
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Good evening!
Sorry for contributing to a side thread this late. This mail slept in my
drafts folder for several day. Only today I find the time to finish and send it.
On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 21:36:31 +0100
MJ Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I think it's uncool to be sending emails to d-d-a with
On Thu, Nov 02, 2006 at 09:35:31PM -0300, calvesmit wrote:
Marc Haber, there's no need for special privileges in Debian. Nobody
is or does jobs better than others.
I was talking about technical privileges, which are of course needed.
Greetings
Marc
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On Fri, Nov 03, 2006 at 09:40:04AM +0100, Marc Haber wrote:
On Thu, Nov 02, 2006 at 09:35:31PM -0300, calvesmit wrote:
Marc Haber, there's no need for special privileges in Debian. Nobody
is or does jobs better than others.
I was talking about technical privileges, which are of course
Roberto C. Sanchez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Fri, Oct 27, 2006 at 03:21:10PM +0200, Thibaut VARENE wrote:
On 10/27/06, Anthony Towns aj@azure.humbug.org.au wrote:
An experiment is successful as long as it provides useful information.
What the is this definition of successful??!
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Actually, what you describe is a successful experiment. In fact, the
Nazis did such things with humans. Now, such things are not ethical.
Thank you for your contribute, now we can consider the thread finished.
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Marco
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Theodore Tso wrote:
Folks who are claiming that they are demotivated because two people
have volunteered to give up a full month of their time to take on a
job where they giving up something like 75% of their normal income ---
and the problem is that they gave up only 75% instead of 100% ---
Re: Anthony Towns 2006-10-27 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hi Anthony,
thank you very much for the in-depth reply, that's what I had hoped
for when signing in to the statement.
I'd encourage people both pro- and anti- Dunc-Tank to consider the advice
of http://www.donotfeedtheenergybeast.com/ and whether
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
night. Did I get demotivated because certain lucky folks earned
bazillions and were able to buy mansions in Lake Tahoe and Chicago?
No, because I know that life isn't fair, and that money wasn't why I
got involved in Linux and Debian in the first place.
Folks who are
2006/10/27, Marc Haber [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
On Thu, Oct 26, 2006 at 08:48:16PM +0200, Tshepang Lekhonkhobe wrote:
Maybe not pay a DD to do Debian work, but pay a DD to work on the
competing product. If that DD holds a job in Debian that requires
special privileges, and that job is neglected
On Fri, Oct 27, 2006 at 03:21:10PM +0200, Thibaut VARENE wrote:
Sorry for the wording but it's way more than I can take:
On 10/27/06, Anthony Towns aj@azure.humbug.org.au wrote:
[...]
- How is the success of this experiment measured? (For the release as
well as for the entire project)
Marc Haber [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I, personally, do not, however, find that amount unreasonable for a
one-month engagement as a contractor.
If anything, it's unreasonably *low*. That's a fourth of the fair market
wage for a contractor with those qualifications in the United States (and
On Thu, Oct 26, 2006 at 08:37:43PM +0200, Marc Haber wrote:
US$ 6000 is like 4.800 EUR. That's like a dayly rate of 220 EUR. Like
a fourth of what a contractor of Andi's and Steve's expertise would
cash in on the free market.
You're kidding, right? Others already pointed out that the original
On Thu, 26 Oct 2006, [iso-8859-2] Miros?aw Baran wrote:
Please stop abusing the debian-devel-announce, this is not acceptable.
I can not see any abuse of d-d-a. The mail is well thought, written
in a style that is by far less offending than todays standard and has
a major point concerning
Anthony Towns wrote:
For the record, I haven't seen any such offers, and I've been looking
for them since May or so. (Proviso: offers should be accompanied by
some direct evidence that whoever's offering has the time and ability
to actually do stuff)
If at least any NEW queue package
First I will state my personal position. I think the original intent
and idea of the DPL - to leverage available funds to assist the process
of finishing a stable release - is a great one. Money is a tool to be
used, there's no sense letting it lie around just gathering interest.
The fact that
On Fri, Oct 27, 2006 at 02:44:20PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote:
On Thu, Oct 26, 2006 at 08:37:43PM +0200, Marc Haber wrote:
Just let me pick the NEW queue: Has it been stated publicly that
ftpmaster is going to reduce work spent on NEW due to dunc tank? Have
ftpmaster considered to accept
On Fri, Oct 27, 2006 at 09:40:24AM +0200, Thomas Viehmann wrote:
If at least any NEW queue package information was accessible, people
could take an interest. If there's a problem with allowing access to the
new packages themselves, cool, but there used to be at least some
information on
Hi,
I'd like to thank you for putting up this email which summarize
extremely well my feelings about what's happening, feelings I haven't
been able to elaborate on in an email, out of disgust, despair and
outrage.
I'd add that the harm done by this experiment is already so huge
that there's
Drew Parsons writes (Re: Position Statement to the Dunc-Tanc experiment):
The first group, the minority, believes that any use of money to
increase the time developers spend on Debian is always intrinsically a
bad idea.
This an oft-repeated straw-man characterisation of dunc-tank's
opponents
On Fri, Oct 27, 2006 at 10:26:43AM +0200, Marc Haber wrote:
For the record, I haven't seen any such offers, and I've been looking
for them since May or so.
For the record, I haven't seen a request for help issued by ftpmaster,
http://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2006/06/msg00019.html
I'm
Hi all,
I'm posting this to d-d-a since it doesn't make sense to me to answer
questions in a different forum to where they've been raised. It's already
been pointed out [0] that this sort of discussion isn't appropriate for
-devel-announce, so I'll try to keep it brief. Followups to -project
[1],
Sorry for the wording but it's way more than I can take:
On 10/27/06, Anthony Towns aj@azure.humbug.org.au wrote:
[...]
- How is the success of this experiment measured? (For the release as
well as for the entire project)
An experiment is successful as long as it provides useful
On Fri, Oct 27, 2006 at 09:40:24AM +0200, Thomas Viehmann wrote:
Anthony Towns wrote:
For the record, I haven't seen any such offers, and I've been looking
for them since May or so. (Proviso: offers should be accompanied by
some direct evidence that whoever's offering has the time and
On Thu, Oct 26, 2006 at 07:46:00PM +0200, Joerg Jaspert [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Signed by:
Jörg Jaspert, ftp-master assistant, DAM, DebConf Organizer
Alexander Schmehl, Debian Developer, press, event manager, DebConf Organizer
Alexander Wirt, Debian Developer
Daniel Priem, New Maintainer
Hi,
After a long and ambivalent discussion during the last weeks the project
Dunc Tank (short DT from now on) has recently started. We consider
that to be a major change to the Debian project culture: For the first
time Debian Developers are paid for their work on Debian by a
institution so near
This is going to be a personal reply, containing my personal opinion
only.
On Thu, Oct 26, 2006 at 07:46:00PM +0200, Joerg Jaspert wrote:
Especially since it is clear now that we
currently can not keep the scheduled release date, even with DT paying
our RMs.
Is that clear?
- During
Thanks for the mail-in-depth
On 10/26/06, Joerg Jaspert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[ snip ]
Joey Schulze: [5] Debian is a failure
This is misrepresentation don't you think? Joey didn't say that Debian
is a failure. That's just the title of the blog.
[5]
Joerg Jaspert wrote:
- During the discussion before the experiment it was said that the
living costs of the release managers are to be paid. Additionally it
was said that it is providing a reasonable amount of money to cover
living expenses and later on, that this is below the average
[Joerg Jaspert pisze na temat Position Statement to the
Dunc-Tanc experiment]:
Dear authors of the position statement (whoever position it states),
Please stop abusing the debian-devel-announce, this is not acceptable.
If you just cannot stand the fact that the majority of the developers
On Thu, Oct 26, 2006 at 08:37:43PM +0200, Marc Haber wrote:
This is going to be a personal reply, containing my personal opinion
only.
On Thu, Oct 26, 2006 at 07:46:00PM +0200, Joerg Jaspert wrote:
Especially since it is clear now that we
currently can not keep the scheduled release
On Thu, Oct 26, 2006 at 01:45:11PM -0500, Adam Majer wrote:
Thus at $6000 and assuming my calculation is correct, this is 60% more
than the average salary in the US hence not below average or just
living costs. Speaking naively (since the average doesn't follow the
standard distribution, but
On Thu, Oct 26, 2006 at 10:12:09PM +0200, Florian Weimer wrote:
* Marc Haber:
Please note that this is not a salary which can be relied on coming in
month after months. Freelance people which high qualifications have to
calculate differently. I am actually surprised that people on this
Andrew Pollock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[lengthy whinge snipped]
Funny. Looks to me like some valid unanswered questions were snipped,
some of which were asked right back near when this effort was first
mentioned.
I think it's uncool to be sending emails to d-d-a with position statement
in
On Thu, Oct 26, 2006 at 07:46:00PM +0200, Joerg Jaspert wrote:
that to be a major change to the Debian project culture: For the first
time Debian Developers are paid for their work on Debian by a
institution so near to the project itself.
This is completely and blatantly false! The only
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