Re: Debian 4.0 finally arrives... does anyone care?

2007-04-17 Thread Nathanael Nerode
>http://www.linux-watch.com/news/NS5673962628.html > >Merely somebody who likes Fedora and (Open)SuSE better than Debian, or >somebody who has a realistic view of the world? While I'm personally happy >to use etch, I might be a bit biased... Well, he doesn't seem to have much of a clue about the

Re: Debian 4.0 finally arrives... does anyone care?

2007-04-15 Thread MJ Ray
Andreas Tille <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [...] > The only thing I wanted to say is: We should not ignore a text for > the only reason that the author is a troll. It might happen that > even trolls find something we can enhance. [...] That was first posted in reply to me, yet I never suggested th

Re: Debian 4.0 finally arrives... does anyone care?

2007-04-15 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Sun, Apr 15, 2007 at 09:30:13PM +0200, Andreas Tille wrote: > On Sun, 15 Apr 2007, David Nusinow wrote: > > >Vaughan-Nichols is a troll, pure and simple, and we have vastly more > >positive things to do for ourselves, for our users, and for the community > >at large than listen to his puffed up

Re: Debian 4.0 finally arrives... does anyone care?

2007-04-15 Thread Andreas Tille
On Sun, 15 Apr 2007, David Nusinow wrote: Vaughan-Nichols is a troll, pure and simple, and we have vastly more positive things to do for ourselves, for our users, and for the community at large than listen to his puffed up sense of entitlement. OK, I try it once more: There was a valid point i

Re: Debian 4.0 finally arrives... does anyone care?

2007-04-15 Thread David Nusinow
On Wed, Apr 11, 2007 at 09:13:39PM +0200, Andreas Tille wrote: > On Tue, 10 Apr 2007, Steve Langasek wrote: > > >If you find some facts in there, > > Well, it was just mentioned that others turned the facts into > bug reports and I do not really want to reply to double rhetorics. > > >feel free

Re: Debian 4.0 finally arrives... does anyone care?

2007-04-14 Thread David Nusinow
On Sat, Apr 14, 2007 at 09:56:52AM -0400, David Nusinow wrote: > On Tue, Apr 10, 2007 at 08:19:03AM +0200, Adrian von Bidder wrote: > > Yo! > > > > http://www.linux-watch.com/news/NS5673962628.html > > > > Merely somebody who likes Fedora and (Open)SuSE better than Debian, or > > somebody who ha

Re: Debian 4.0 finally arrives... does anyone care?

2007-04-14 Thread David Nusinow
On Tue, Apr 10, 2007 at 08:19:03AM +0200, Adrian von Bidder wrote: > Yo! > > http://www.linux-watch.com/news/NS5673962628.html > > Merely somebody who likes Fedora and (Open)SuSE better than Debian, or > somebody who has a realistic view of the world? While I'm personally happy > to use etch,

Re: Re: Debian 4.0 finally arrives... does anyone care?

2007-04-13 Thread Philippe Cloutier
I agree with joy's reply. Additionally... I understand the reason why it was done, and it would certainly be great if the Mozilla foundation had a sane Trademark license, but in the mean time I would very much like if people remembered the G in DFSG a bit more often. AFAIK the first proble

Re: Debian 4.0 finally arrives... does anyone care?

2007-04-13 Thread Josip Rodin
On Fri, Apr 13, 2007 at 11:08:44AM +0200, Adrian von Bidder wrote: > We're telling people that they can/should use Debian, and 5 minutes later > I have to explain [...] I sense a bit of frustration in here :) but it's not really necessary. I mean, you also have to explain people why we e.g. don't

Re: Debian 4.0 finally arrives... does anyone care?

2007-04-13 Thread Adrian von Bidder
On Friday 13 April 2007 09:54, Philippe Cloutier wrote: [paraphrasing the article I linked to] > It's stupid that Debian renames Mozilla applications. Yes, it is. > Sure, let's drop the DFSG for lenny. Seriously: it is very stupid that the licensing/trademark situation lead Debian to rebra

Re: Debian 4.0 finally arrives... does anyone care?

2007-04-13 Thread Philippe Cloutier
Merely somebody who likes Fedora and (Open)SuSE better than Debian, or somebody who has a realistic view of the world? The former. Summarizing: It's stupid that Debian renames Mozilla applications. Sure, let's drop the DFSG for lenny. There's an important bug in Linux. Wow. Try repo

Re: Re: Debian 4.0 finally arrives... does anyone care?

2007-04-12 Thread Philippe Cloutier
Plenty of people complain that our Etch kernel is outdated, It's not, and I see nobody complaining it is. I've seen 1 Gentoo guy tell me that we were late (before he checked and realized he had nothing better than 2.6.19) and don't remember other complaints. but we don't tell them that a

Re: Debian 4.0 finally arrives... does anyone care?

2007-04-11 Thread Moritz Muehlenhoff
Alexander Schmehl wrote: > * Adrian von Bidder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [070410 08:19]: > >> (There are many news items more or less just quoting the release=20 >> announcement, > > But also note, that lazy journalists might falsify your positive > statistics ;) (Please take this as enhancement bug, no

Re: Debian 4.0 finally arrives... does anyone care?

2007-04-11 Thread Alexander Schmehl
Hi! * Adrian von Bidder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [070410 08:19]: > (There are many news items more or less just quoting the release > announcement, Actually it's often considered to be a good sign if your announcement is quoted in a news item (not extensive reviews), because that means that a) your

Re: Debian 4.0 finally arrives... does anyone care?

2007-04-11 Thread Andreas Tille
On Tue, 10 Apr 2007, Steve Langasek wrote: If you find some facts in there, Well, it was just mentioned that others turned the facts into bug reports and I do not really want to reply to double rhetorics. feel free to summarize them for the benefit of the list so that we don't have to wade t

Re: Debian 4.0 finally arrives... does anyone care?

2007-04-10 Thread dann frazier
On Tue, Apr 10, 2007 at 10:39:22AM +0300, Riku Voipio wrote: > 1) there is a bug in etch kernel. (#418344 seems) > > While the bug was mentioned in some forums, it was not reported in > time to BTS. Clearly there are users who find using BTS daunting, and > thus we don't get bugreports in timely f

Re: Debian 4.0 finally arrives... does anyone care?

2007-04-10 Thread Steve Langasek
On Tue, Apr 10, 2007 at 01:23:11PM +0200, Andreas Tille wrote: > On Tue, 10 Apr 2007, MJ Ray wrote: > >The subject should be: SJVN flames debian again... does anyone care? > Yes - as long there are some pure facts we should care. If you find some facts in there, feel free to summarize them for t

Re: Debian 4.0 finally arrives... does anyone care?

2007-04-10 Thread Michelle Konzack
Hello Nico and *, Am 2007-04-10 14:41:03, schrieb Nico Golde: > No especially not if I get: > Configuration file `/etc/subversion/config' > ==> Modified (by you or by a script) since installation. > ==> Package distributor has shipped an updated version. >What would you like to do about it ?

Re: Debian 4.0 finally arrives... does anyone care?

2007-04-10 Thread Nico Golde
Hi, * Philippe Cloutier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2007-04-10 16:27]: > If someone is not satisfied with a problem in Etch, I strongly > suggest to report the problem and get it listed in errata if > appropriate. Sure if it would be reproducable and I could get a bit more useful information I would d

Re: Re: Debian 4.0 finally arrives... does anyone care?

2007-04-10 Thread Philippe Cloutier
If someone is not satisfied with a problem in Etch, I strongly suggest to report the problem and get it listed in errata if appropriate. Mailing lists are for discussion, not to be a release. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL

Re: Debian 4.0 finally arrives... does anyone care?

2007-04-10 Thread Nico Golde
Hi, * Andreas Tille <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2007-04-10 13:22]: > On Tue, 10 Apr 2007, MJ Ray wrote: > > >The subject should be: SJVN flames debian again... does anyone > >care? > > Yes - as long there are some pure facts we should care. > I don't come to the same conclusion of the article author bu

Re: Debian 4.0 finally arrives... does anyone care?

2007-04-10 Thread Andreas Tille
On Tue, 10 Apr 2007, MJ Ray wrote: The subject should be: SJVN flames debian again... does anyone care? Yes - as long there are some pure facts we should care. I don't come to the same conclusion of the article author but not to care is the wrong reaction only because the author is known to fl

Re: Debian 4.0 finally arrives... does anyone care?

2007-04-10 Thread MJ Ray
Adrian von Bidder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > http://www.linux-watch.com/news/NS5673962628.html > Merely somebody who likes Fedora and (Open)SuSE better than Debian, or > somebody who has a realistic view of the world? [...] No, somebody who likes to troll debian almost every chance they get. I

Re: Debian 4.0 finally arrives... does anyone care?

2007-04-10 Thread Joey Hess
Adrian von Bidder wrote: > http://www.linux-watch.com/news/NS5673962628.html http://www.acc.umu.se/technical/statistics/ftp/monitordata/index.html -- see shy jo signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: Debian 4.0 finally arrives... does anyone care?

2007-04-10 Thread Riku Voipio
On Tue, Apr 10, 2007 at 08:19:03AM +0200, Adrian von Bidder wrote: > http://www.linux-watch.com/news/NS5673962628.html > Merely somebody who likes Fedora and (Open)SuSE better than Debian, or > somebody who has a realistic view of the world? While I'm personally happy > to use etch, I might be

Re: Debian 4.0 finally arrives... does anyone care?

2007-04-09 Thread Pankaj Jangid, पंकज जाँगिङ
Many congratulations to the Debian Project Team members. It is a great effort. I am continuously watching this release since six month back. I daily see the page http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ in hope that number of release critical bugs will ultimately be zero. It has almost reached th