Re: Re: FSF not considering Debian as Free

2008-09-21 Thread Filipus Klutiero
I haven't been following this thread super-close, so sorry if I missed someone already throwing this out there. http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-system-distribution-guidelines.html Thanks, this had not been mentioned yet, and I missed the addition of these guidelines. The guidelines are very

Re: FSF not considering Debian as Free (Re: Debian and non-free)

2008-09-20 Thread John Sullivan
Filipus Klutiero <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> >> I could help to set-up the infrastructure and providing >> the non-free.org domain, but I don't think I have enough >> infrastructure to handle the machines. >> > I'm afraid you'd be wasting your time. I don't think the problem is the domain >

Re: FSF not considering Debian as Free (Re: Debian and non-free)

2008-09-19 Thread Russ Allbery
MJ Ray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Russ Allbery <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> It most certainly is not. I can attest to that personally, having been >> involved in and followed multiple FSF projects for many years. It is >> an expectation for all GNU projects. > Expectation and advice, but no

Re: FSF not considering Debian as Free (Re: Debian and non-free)

2008-09-19 Thread MJ Ray
Russ Allbery <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > MJ Ray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Russ Allbery <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> [...] the rule that the FSF has about not linking to > >> any non-free software from their sites, [...] > > That rule is a myth. > > It most certainly is not. I can attest

Re: FSF not considering Debian as Free (Re: Debian and non-free)

2008-09-18 Thread Russ Allbery
MJ Ray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Russ Allbery <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [...] >> My understanding of RMS's position is that he would like Debian to >> follow something like the rule that the FSF has about not linking to >> any non-free software from their sites, [...] > > That rule is a myth

Re: FSF not considering Debian as Free (Re: Debian and non-free)

2008-09-18 Thread MJ Ray
Russ Allbery <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [...] > My understanding of RMS's position is that he would like Debian to follow > something like the rule that the FSF has about not linking to any non-free > software from their sites, [...] That rule is a myth. Their campaign sites like http://badvista

Re: Re: Mentions of non-free (Re: FSF not considering Debian as Free)

2008-09-17 Thread Filipus Klutiero
Filipus Klutiero wrote: >> >> > Translated to the current way things are done, this means that >> according > to Richard, the Debian website or Debian refer to the >> existence of the > non-free component in a way that s

Re: Mentions of non-free (Re: FSF not considering Debian as Free)

2008-09-17 Thread Joey Schulze
Filipus Klutiero wrote: >> >> > Translated to the current way things are done, this means that >> according > to Richard, the Debian website or Debian refer to the >> existence of the > non-free component in a way that suggests getting >> non-free software from > there. >> > >> > I'm very cur

Mentions of non-free (Re: FSF not considering Debian as Free)

2008-09-17 Thread Filipus Klutiero
> Translated to the current way things are done, this means that according > to Richard, the Debian website or Debian refer to the existence of the > non-free component in a way that suggests getting non-free software from > there. > > I'm very curious what part of the website or Debian wo

Re: FSF not considering Debian as Free (Re: Debian and non-free)

2008-09-17 Thread Giacomo A. Catenazzi
Filipus Klutiero wrote: I could help to set-up the infrastructure and providing the non-free.org domain, but I don't think I have enough infrastructure to handle the machines. I'm afraid you'd be wasting your time. I don't think the problem is the domain name hosting non-free. Richard Stallm

Re: FSF not considering Debian as Free (Re: Debian and non-free)

2008-09-16 Thread Joey Schulze
Filipus Klutiero wrote: > domain name hosting non-free. Richard Stallman wrote: > >> Thus, the debian.org site and the software in it should not refer to the >> existence of non-free.org in such a way as to suggest getting non-free >> software from there. >> >> I tried for years to convince Debian

Re: Re: FSF not considering Debian as Free

2008-09-16 Thread Filipus Klutiero
My understanding of RMS's position is that he would like Debian to follow something like the rule that the FSF has about not linking to any non-free software from their sites, which would mean that we couldn't even tell our users that non-free existed in standard documentation. I initially tho

Re: FSF not considering Debian as Free (Re: Debian and non-free)

2008-09-16 Thread Russ Allbery
Filipus Klutiero <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Translated to the current way things are done, this means that according > to Richard, the Debian website or Debian refer to the existence of the > non-free component in a way that suggests getting non-free software from > there. My understanding of