* MJ Ray:
I think mailing list is still usually two words, so I'd change that
throughout.
And list servers.
I think we should also mention that mailing lists are public (very
public at that, indexed by search engines and mirrored widely) if the
document is targeted a newcomers.
The
On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 03:30:08PM +0100, Ben Hutchings wrote:
The most annoying reply behaviour I see is people replying to one list
rather than the multiple lists I sent the original message to. We
should encourage use of Reply-to-all instead, as erring on the side of
inclusion is safer
Thanks, Wouter.
First: would it be appropriate for there to be a point about context-quoting,
or inline quoting, or more precicely not either top-posting nor bottom posting
with no trimming? (my phrasing is bad.)
On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 10:52:42AM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
6. You should
Greetings.
Wouter (and all other contributors): thank you very much for working on a Code
of Conduct. This really matters.
Further comments below.
On Wednesday, May 22, 2013 04:52:42, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
...
New draft:
---
# Debian mailing list Code of Conduct
The Debian mailing
On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 03:17:48AM -0400, Chris Knadle wrote:
I'd like this to be more global in coverage, and not just focus on the
mailing lists. In this draft of the Code of Conduct, 8 out of the 9
rules are about email, so it feels more like a mailing list CoC
right now than a CoC. ;-)
So, some updates:
On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 11:59:06AM -0400, Brian Gupta wrote:
I'm wondering if there can be a guidelines/advice section also? For
example, perhaps we want to capture something along the lines of (The
wording needs a ton of tweaking): Please remember that Debian is a
Russ Allbery r...@debian.org (21/05/2013):
I've noticed the same pattern as Steve, and it bothers me too, which
means I probably should say something rather than letting this look
like something between you and him. Your interactions on
debian-devel when you do post there, which indeed isn't
On Wed, 2013-05-22 at 10:52 +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
[...]
6. You should avoid sending attachments; this generates a lot of
unnecessary bandwidth on our listservers. Instead, put the file you
would like to attach online somewhere and post a link.
It may be worth clarifying
On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 4:52 AM, Wouter Verhelst wou...@debian.org wrote:
So, some updates:
On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 11:59:06AM -0400, Brian Gupta wrote:
I'm wondering if there can be a guidelines/advice section also? For
example, perhaps we want to capture something along the lines of (The
On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 07:08:17PM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote:
- I think that we shoud encourage more private replies. For instance,
If you want to complain to someone who sent you a carbon copy when
you did not ask for it, do it privately (from the current CoC), but also
for
Hi,
I've long thought that our code of conduct, as currently written, is
fairly useless. Because it contains things that are totally irrelevant
(swearing is illegal on packet radio, some people receive mailinglists
on packet radio, so don't swear??? [citation needed]) and some things
that are
Hi all,
On Di, 21 Mai 2013, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
1. Do not flame, use foul language, or in general be abusive or
disrespectful towards other people on the mailinglists or elsewhere
And who defines that?
If you can give me a definition of foul language or abusive
or disrespectful I would
I suggest Enrico's Debian Community Guidelines would form a good
base document for this discussion.
http://people.debian.org/~enrico/dcg/
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Hi Wouter,
many thanks for this initiative !
Here are some comments.
- I think that we shoud encourage more private replies. For instance,
If you want to complain to someone who sent you a carbon copy when
you did not ask for it, do it privately (from the current CoC), but also
for
On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 06:37:39PM +0900, Norbert Preining wrote:
Hi all,
On Di, 21 Mai 2013, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
1. Do not flame, use foul language, or in general be abusive or
disrespectful towards other people on the mailinglists or elsewhere
And who defines that?
We do.
On 21-05-13 11:37, Norbert Preining wrote:
Hi all,
On Di, 21 Mai 2013, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
1. Do not flame, use foul language, or in general be abusive or
disrespectful towards other people on the mailinglists or elsewhere
And who defines that?
The community as a whole.
If you
Hi Lars,
On 21-05-13 11:55, Lars Wirzenius wrote:
I suggest Enrico's Debian Community Guidelines would form a good
base document for this discussion.
http://people.debian.org/~enrico/dcg/
I know about this document, and agree that it consists of generally good
advise, worthy to be heeded.
On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 10:32:09AM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
So, without further ado, here's my draft:
[...]
As a general principle, I object to any attempt to codify good
behaviour. The DCG, which I thank Lars for mentioning, was attempting to
give clues and reasonable expectations to
Hi Enrico,
On 21-05-13 14:19, Enrico Zini wrote:
On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 10:32:09AM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
So, without further ado, here's my draft:
[...]
As a general principle, I object to any attempt to codify good
behaviour. The DCG, which I thank Lars for mentioning, was
On Tue, 2013-05-21 at 10:32 +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
[...]
The Debian mailinglists exist to foster the development and use of
Debian. This Code of Conduct exists to help towards that goal.
In particular, the following rules should be adhered to by participants
to discussion on Debian
On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 06:37:39PM +0900, Norbert Preining wrote:
On Di, 21 Mai 2013, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
1. Do not flame, use foul language, or in general be abusive or
disrespectful towards other people on the mailinglists or elsewhere
And who defines that?
As one of the most
On Di, 21 Mai 2013, Steve Langasek wrote:
As one of the most routinely abusive posters on Debian lists towards your
fellow developers: not you.
Thus neither you ..., logic wins.
Wow, being told most abusive posters ... would you kindly use your
browser and browse my posts on debian-tex-maint
Wouter Verhelst w...@uter.be proposed:
The Debian mailinglists exist to foster the development and use of
Debian. This Code of Conduct exists to help towards that goal.
In particular, the following rules should be adhered to by participants
to discussion on Debian mailinglists:
That second
On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 6:30 AM, Wouter Verhelst wou...@debian.org wrote:
On 21-05-13 11:37, Norbert Preining wrote:
Hi all,
On Di, 21 Mai 2013, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
1. Do not flame, use foul language, or in general be abusive or
disrespectful towards other people on the mailinglists or
Enrico Zini enr...@enricozini.org writes:
Please note that a society where every single citizen is well behaved,
and every single deviant is promptly corrected, is a police state.
Bruce Schneier's Liars and outliers has some very interesting thoughts
on this.
I don't think those thoughts can
On Tue, 21 May 2013, Ben Hutchings wrote:
On Tue, 2013-05-21 at 10:32 +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
6. You should avoid sending attachments; this generates a lot of
unnecessary bandwidth on our listservers. Instead, put the file you
would like to attach online somewhere and post a link.
Steve,
I openly request an apology from you. That is unbearable:
You publicly defamed me by stating:
On Di, 21 Mai 2013, Steve Langasek wrote:
As one of the most routinely abusive posters on Debian lists towards your
fellow developers: not you.
Onto which I asked for evidence:
On Mi, 22 Mai
On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 12:24:51AM +0900, Norbert Preining wrote:
On Di, 21 Mai 2013, Steve Langasek wrote:
As one of the most routinely abusive posters on Debian lists towards your
fellow developers: not you.
Thus neither you ..., logic wins.
Wow, being told most abusive posters ...
Wow, I am impressed, 5 emails out of 15150 (current search result
on lists.debian.org) makes me:
As one of the most routinely abusive posters on Debian lists towards your
^
That is your definition of routinely: 0.033% ?
Assuming that you missed 100
Norbert Preining prein...@logic.at writes:
As one of the most routinely abusive posters on Debian lists towards your
^
That is your definition of routinely: 0.033% ?
Assuming that you missed 100 other emails that would still remain 1%
Thanks
On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 01:42:04PM +0900, Norbert Preining wrote:
Wow, I am impressed, 5 emails out of 15150 (current search result
on lists.debian.org) makes me:
As one of the most routinely abusive posters on Debian lists towards your
^
That
Steve Langasek vor...@debian.org writes:
On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 01:42:04PM +0900, Norbert Preining wrote:
Wow, I am impressed, 5 emails out of 15150 (current search result
on lists.debian.org) makes me:
As one of the most routinely abusive posters on Debian lists towards your
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