Re: The Ineffectual DPL?

2004-04-08 Thread Anthony Towns
On Wed, Apr 07, 2004 at 03:12:48PM -0500, Adam Heath wrote: Which brings me to the DPL's involvment in this particular train of thought. If the developer that is being asked to do something, or asked to discuss something, is themself not motivated to do(discuss), then there is nothing that the

Re: The Ineffectual DPL?

2004-04-08 Thread Martin Schulze
Adam Heath wrote: In the past several years, I have seen a few different DPLs in (in)action. I have not seen the betterment of the Debian Project as a whole(as a result of actions the DPLs have done), yet each DPL has said how well they have improved the situation. Additionally, each

Re: The Ineffectual DPL?

2004-04-08 Thread Adrian 'Dagurashibanipal' von Bidder
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 08 April 2004 08.02, Martin Schulze wrote: Most of what the DPL does, you don't see. The question then is: why is that so? Is it because most of what the DPL is top secret and can not be disclosed to a wider ausience? I don't

Re: The Ineffectual DPL?

2004-04-08 Thread Martin Schulze
Adrian 'Dagurashibanipal' von Bidder wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 08 April 2004 08.02, Martin Schulze wrote: Most of what the DPL does, you don't see. The question then is: why is that so? My memory often fails me but I'm pretty sure that I gave

Re: The Ineffectual DPL?

2004-04-08 Thread Ben Burton
If you agree with this as I do, then a simple I agree will suffice, sent in public reply. Then, start doing real work. If you don't agree, then by all means, waste your's and everyone else's time, by actually attempting to discuss and disect this email. But those who really care about

Re: The Ineffectual DPL?

2004-04-08 Thread Adrian 'Dagurashibanipal' von Bidder
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 08 April 2004 10.04, Martin Schulze wrote: Adrian 'Dagurashibanipal' von Bidder wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 08 April 2004 08.02, Martin Schulze wrote: Most of what the DPL does, you don't

The Ineffectual DPL?

2004-04-07 Thread Adam Heath
I have not voted in this DPL election. I didn't vote in last year's. I think I only voted in the first one, but even then, I'm not sure. So, why have I not voted? 1) Lack of time? The actual act of voting takes no time. 2) Lack of knowing the candidates? Possible. See below. 3)

Re: The Ineffectual DPL?

2004-04-07 Thread Stephen Frost
* Adam Heath ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: So, in summary(I'm rambled on long enough), I see no point in having a DPL. Yeah, so, I disagree, yadda yadda. Stephen signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: The Ineffectual DPL?

2004-04-07 Thread Philippe Troin
[Cc'ed only to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Adam Heath [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have not voted in this DPL election. I didn't vote in last year's. I think I only voted in the first one, but even then, I'm not sure. I always vote, probably for the same reasons I vote in my country's elections

Re: The Ineffectual DPL?

2004-04-07 Thread Adam Heath
On Wed, 7 Apr 2004, Philippe Troin wrote: I always vote, probably for the same reasons I vote in my country's elections (mostly to prevent the people I disagree with the most to get into office) and without having any trust nor hopes in the system whatsoever. Voting in real elections makes

Re: The Ineffectual DPL?

2004-04-07 Thread Chad Walstrom
On Wed, Apr 07, 2004 at 03:12:48PM -0500, Adam Heath wrote: If you agree with this as I do, then a simple I agree will suffice, sent in public reply. Then, start doing real work. The only thing I agree with you about is that actions speak louder than words. Do real work and be happy.

Re: The Ineffectual DPL?

2004-04-07 Thread Raul Miller
On Wed, Apr 07, 2004 at 03:12:48PM -0500, Adam Heath wrote: In effect, the DPL is nothing more than a figurehead, that can change from year to year. In real life, figureheads are either: [a] inanimate objects, or [b] politicians who are put in place to conceal the real leaders. I don't think

Re: The Ineffectual DPL?

2004-04-07 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Andrew Suffield wrote: On Wed, Apr 07, 2004 at 03:47:40PM -0500, Adam Heath wrote: On Wed, 7 Apr 2004, Philippe Troin wrote: I always vote, probably for the same reasons I vote in my country's elections (mostly to prevent the people I disagree with the most to get into office) and

Re: The Ineffectual DPL?

2004-04-07 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Wed, Apr 07, 2004 at 10:46:29PM -0400, Nathanael Nerode wrote: Andrew Suffield wrote: On Wed, Apr 07, 2004 at 03:47:40PM -0500, Adam Heath wrote: On Wed, 7 Apr 2004, Philippe Troin wrote: I always vote, probably for the same reasons I vote in my country's elections (mostly to