On Tue, Apr 04, 2006 at 02:36:58PM +0200, Henning Makholm wrote:
Scripsit Benj. Mako Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It's argueably the most important right that is reserved for developers
but it does not necessary stand to reason that it should be reserved
only for those who engage in
Scripsit Kevin Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Tue, Apr 04, 2006 at 02:36:58PM +0200, Henning Makholm wrote:
Scripsit Benj. Mako Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It's argueably the most important right that is reserved for developers
but it does not necessary stand to reason that it should be reserved
Please help out the MIA process. It would really be
appreciated.
The MIA process does not address the type of people that are the
object of my complaints.
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Clytie Siddall [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I don't understand why this election is restricted to Debian
Developers. What about all the other people who regularly contribute
time and effort to the Debian project?
This is a known bug, I think, but I don't remember any of this
year's candidates pledging to
On Mon, Apr 03, 2006 at 07:27:05AM +0100, MJ Ray wrote:
Clytie Siddall [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I don't understand why this election is restricted to Debian
Developers. What about all the other people who regularly contribute
time and effort to the Debian project?
This is a known bug, I think,
Thanks for your reply, Kevin. :)
On 03/04/2006, at 4:25 PM, Kevin Mark wrote:
from my perspective there are various strata to the Debian world:
people who help on debian-* mailing lists, people who help on
#debian-*,
people who help with translation, people who evangalize debian, people
who
On Mon, Apr 03, 2006 at 07:27:05AM +0100, MJ Ray wrote:
Clytie Siddall [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I don't understand why this election is restricted to Debian
Developers. What about all the other people who regularly contribute
time and effort to the Debian project?
This is a known bug, I think,
On Mon, Apr 03, 2006 at 02:55:37AM -0400, Kevin Mark wrote:
snip
It just dawned upon me that it would be great to have unofficial votes
by non-debian-developers as a way to gage the broader debian communites
reponse to things. If debian is committed to its end users, a vote which
shows their views
Hi,
Kevin Mark wrote:
On Mon, Apr 03, 2006 at 02:55:37AM -0400, Kevin Mark wrote:
snip
It just dawned upon me that it would be great to have unofficial votes
by non-debian-developers as a way to gage the broader debian communites
reponse to things. If debian is committed to its end users, a
On Mon, Apr 03, 2006 at 07:27:05AM +0100, MJ Ray wrote:
Clytie Siddall [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I don't understand why this election is restricted to Debian
Developers. What about all the other people who regularly contribute
time and effort to the Debian project?
This is a known bug, I think,
On Mon, Apr 03, 2006 at 08:58:57AM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
On Mon, Apr 03, 2006 at 07:27:05AM +0100, MJ Ray wrote:
Clytie Siddall [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I don't understand why this election is restricted to Debian
Developers. What about all the other people who regularly contribute
[dropped -i18n from Cc, not really relevant there]
On Mon, Apr 03, 2006 at 03:26:45AM -0400, Kevin Mark wrote:
On Mon, Apr 03, 2006 at 08:58:57AM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
The problem is more one of 'how do we identify those people that aren't
a Developer, but that do contribute
On 3 Apr 2006, MJ Ray stated:
Clytie Siddall [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I don't understand why this election is restricted to Debian
Developers. What about all the other people who regularly
contribute time and effort to the Debian project?
This is a known bug, I think, but I don't remember any of
Hi,
On Mon, Apr 03, 2006 at 05:10:16PM +1000, Helen Faulkner wrote:
Kevin Mark wrote:
On Mon, Apr 03, 2006 at 02:55:37AM -0400, Kevin Mark wrote:
snip
It just dawned upon me that it would be great to have unofficial votes
by non-debian-developers as a way to gage the broader debian
[This is not really addressed to Clytie specifically, rather it's a more
general mini-essay on this topic.]
Clytie Siddall wrote:
I don't understand why this election is restricted to Debian Developers.
In a certain formal sense, the ability to vote in general resolutions
and DPL elections
On Monday 03 April 2006 09:15, Steve Langasek wrote:
On Mon, Apr 03, 2006 at 07:27:05AM +0100, MJ Ray wrote:
Clytie Siddall [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I don't understand why this election is restricted to Debian
Developers. What about all the other people who regularly contribute
time and
Wouter Verhelst wrote:
[...]
Put differently, here are a number of questions you should answer for
this to have merit:
* What should a non-DD contributor be doing before we consider him/her
eligible to vote?
Well, presumably something that is equivalent (in effort? in some kind of
On Mon, Apr 03, 2006 at 09:29:51PM +1000, Helen Faulkner wrote:
Wouter Verhelst wrote:
Put differently, here are a number of questions you should answer for
this to have merit:
* What should a non-DD contributor be doing before we consider him/her
eligible to vote?
Well, presumably
[ dropping the cc: to debian-i18n@lists.debian.org ]
Kevin Mark dijo [Mon, Apr 03, 2006 at 03:06:42AM -0400]:
On Mon, Apr 03, 2006 at 02:55:37AM -0400, Kevin Mark wrote:
snip
It just dawned upon me that it would be great to have unofficial votes
by non-debian-developers as a way to gage the
Kevin Mark dijo [Mon, Apr 03, 2006 at 03:26:45AM -0400]:
The problem is more one of 'how do we identify those people that aren't
a Developer, but that do contribute regularly'. Since Debian votes are
conducted through GPG-signed mails and regular contributors aren't part
of the Debian web
On Mon, Apr 03, 2006 at 09:29:51PM +1000, Helen Faulkner wrote:
* Should non-DD contributors be allowed to vote on just about anything?
If not, what types of votes should they be allowed to vote on, and
what types of votes should they not be allowed to vote on? Make this a
clear
quote who=Manoj Srivastava date=Mon, Apr 03, 2006 at 03:23:35AM -0500
The way I see it, Debian produces an modular OS. the
modularity of the product is, by and large[0], packages.
.. snip ..
[0]. There are people who contribute to Debian other than as
package maintainers, but
Hi Gunnar,
On Mon, Apr 03, 2006 at 11:05:00PM -0500, Gunnar Wolf wrote:
snip
Hi Wouter,
the Debian web of trust is very important to things that directly affect
things like: uploading packages, access to servers, etc. But if there
was a vote on say 'should debian create a new irc channel
On Mon, Apr 03, 2006 at 11:01:57PM -0500, Gunnar Wolf wrote:
[ dropping the cc: to debian-i18n@lists.debian.org ]
snip
the signers to be part of the web of trust... But non-DDs would be
able to speak. Not vote, but see their opinion reflected.
that was more or less what I was saying. While Devs
Helen Faulkner [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
It seems to me that we are already in a situation where only the
people who are really interested in, or informed about, a
particular question are voting on it.
And that's bad because ...?
Greetings,
-- Jorgen
--
Debian GNU/Linux Developer
quote who=Wouter Verhelst date=Mon, Apr 03, 2006 at 08:58:57AM +0200
The problem is more one of 'how do we identify those people that aren't
a Developer, but that do contribute regularly'.
There are a number of ways of doing this although, like NM, it's
ultimately a human process that is
On 3 Apr 2006, Wouter Verhelst outgrape:
I don't have any problems per se with non-DD contributors being
allowed to vote on matters of purely technical substance.
I have a problem with _anyone_ voting on a matter of purely
technical substance. If it is purely technical, popularity
On 3 Apr 2006, Helen Faulkner spake thusly:
Wouter Verhelst wrote:
[...]
Put differently, here are a number of questions you should answer
for this to have merit:
* What should a non-DD contributor be doing before we consider him/her
eligible to vote?
Well, presumably something that is
quote who=Steve Langasek date=Mon, Apr 03, 2006 at 12:15:15AM -0700
Most developers seem to agree that there are bugs in our process for
integrating new members into the project, but that's not the same as
saying that non-DDs should be allowed to vote
Clearly not.
voting rights are one of
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