Re: What does it mean to be inclusive

2022-02-23 Thread Gerardo Ballabio
Hi Devin, thank you very much for your response. I guess we were restricting our focus to Debian contributors. You add the point of view of users, which widens the perspective. In that context the "increase the cross section" discourse indeed makes sense, because we need not worry about people

Re: What does it mean to be inclusive

2022-02-22 Thread Charles Plessy
[Busy ? Read the two first lines of each paragraph and skip the rest.] What is inclusion ? For me, inclusion means taking care of letting everybody participate. Aspects of this related with expressing ourselves in a more careful way in order to avoid hurting others have been amply expressed

Re: What does it mean to be inclusive

2022-02-22 Thread Devin Prater
For me, inclusion means working with everyone to make Debian as useful an operating system as possible for as many people as possible. I love that Debian is one of the *only* Linux distributions that has a good accessibility wiki, plays the beep to allow me, a blind person, to press s then enter

Re: What does it mean to be inclusive

2022-02-22 Thread Philip Hands
Felix Lechner writes: > Hi, > > On Mon, Feb 21, 2022 at 7:28 AM Sam Hartman wrote: >> >> In my model, the bar for excluding an individual, particularly at the >> beginning is very low. >> >> * We expect people to agree to the social contract. >> That's a big exclusion; a lot of people don't

Re: What does it mean to be inclusive

2022-02-21 Thread Gerardo Ballabio
Sam Hartman wrote: > I agree that Debian has committed to being open and inclusive. However, for > me that means something different than you say in your second sentence. To > me that means we've committed to being open to as large a cross section of > people--as diverse a cross section of

Re: What does it mean to be inclusive

2022-02-21 Thread Felix Lechner
Hi, On Mon, Feb 21, 2022 at 7:28 AM Sam Hartman wrote: > > In my model, the bar for excluding an individual, particularly at the > beginning is very low. > > * We expect people to agree to the social contract. > That's a big exclusion; a lot of people don't care about those > principles. > > *

Re: What does it mean to be inclusive

2022-02-21 Thread Sam Hartman
> "Gerardo" == Gerardo Ballabio writes: Gerardo> Debian is a community that strives to be open, fair and Gerardo> inclusive. That means that we have made a commitment to Gerardo> welcome everybody and not exclude anyone without good Gerardo> reasons. I agree that Debian has