On 3/24/07, Josip Rodin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sat, Mar 24, 2007 at 02:08:10PM +0200, Tshepang Lekhonkhobe wrote:
Distors are often viewed as mere packagers, but they tend to drive
upstream development in variety of ways. Here's just a few of Debian's
contributions to the world of FLOSS
Martin Zobel-Helas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Read the Debian mailing list archives and you will find some of the related
personal atacks.
I asked for references, but you seem not to be able to give me ANY of
them, just telling me look in the archive. So you seem not to be able
to give me
#include hallo.h
* Joerg Schilling [Sun, Mar 25 2007, 11:58:39AM]:
Martin Zobel-Helas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Read the Debian mailing list archives and you will find some of the
related
personal atacks.
I asked for references, but you seem not to be able to give me ANY of
On Saturday 24 March 2007 19:53, Joerg Schilling wrote:
Roberto C. Sánchez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
- the fact that other Debian maintainers does not try to
find a workaround for the problems caused by some outcasts
causes damage to the reputation of the Debian project.
I guess
On Sun, 25 Mar 2007, Joerg Schilling wrote:
There is a reason why I do not waste my time with people on a Debian
list
One wonders why you even bothered to send your original mail to us,
then. I believe we'd all appreciate it if you stopped wast[ing]
[your] time.
Don Armstrong
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Joerg Schilling wrote:
Joerg Jaspert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Note that the license change was definitely not the reason for the fork
(the
fork would have been done in a different way if the license change was the
reason).
And again wrong, your license change *IS* the reason, we
Joerg Schilling wrote:
- the fork does not work decently and thus annoyes them
This is probably the funniest quote of the whole discussion. Thanks for
making my day.
BTW, who said flamewars are a nuisance to the Debian project? I've never
seen developers as united as when Mr Schilling is
Don Armstrong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sun, 25 Mar 2007, Joerg Schilling wrote:
There is a reason why I do not waste my time with people on a Debian
list
One wonders why you even bothered to send your original mail to us,
then. I believe we'd all appreciate it if you stopped
This one time, at band camp, Joerg Schilling said:
If you believe you have time again, you should answer the questions I send you
last year or admit that the claims from some Debian people against me
and my projects are wrong.
Or, better yet, we could all just stop feeding the troll. If he's
[Please CC me on replies: I'm not subscribed.]
On Sat, Mar 24, 2007 at 10:51:04PM +0100, Joerg Schilling wrote:
Roberto C. Sánchez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I don't buy it. The license change to XFree86 was committed on 13
February 2004:
On Sat, 24 Mar 2007, Sam Morris wrote:
my SCSI devices being set up incorrectly (what SCSI devices? My system
uses PATA!), followed by failure.
Your PATA and ATAPI devices will look like SCSI devices to the system in the
next Debian stable version after Etch ;-) All PATA is going under the
On Monday 26 March 2007 04:08, Daniel Stone wrote:
The X Consortium is quite old, yes, and x.org as a domain name has been
around for quite some time.
Wow, the first mail in this thread that's anywhere near interesting and
worth reading. Thanks Daniel!
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Distors are often viewed as mere packagers, but they tend to drive
upstream development in variety of ways. Here's just a few of Debian's
contributions to the world of FLOSS during 2006:
* creation of cdrkit, a fork of cdrtools, due to a change of licence
which happened to be DFSG-incompatible
*
Please forgive me for feeding the troll.
On Sat, Mar 24, 2007 at 03:20:31PM +0100, Joerg Schilling wrote:
Distors are often viewed as mere packagers, but they tend to drive
upstream development in variety of ways. Here's just a few of Debian's
contributions to the world of FLOSS during
On 10968 March 1977, Joerg Schilling wrote:
* creation of cdrkit, a fork of cdrtools, due to a change of licence
which happened to be DFSG-incompatible
Note that there was a licence change with cdrtools but this was a change
towards more freedom and the current official cdrtools are of course
Roberto C. Sánchez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You are not talking about a notable contribution but about a notable
damage to FLOSS caused by people who are unwilling to cooperate in a useful
way.
Joerg, as a piece of friendly advice, I think it would be wise to drop
it. You continue
Joerg Jaspert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Note that the license change was definitely not the reason for the fork
(the
fork would have been done in a different way if the license change was the
reason).
And again wrong, your license change *IS* the reason, we simply do not
accept
Hi,
On Sat Mar 24, 2007 at 16:40:34 +0100, Joerg Schilling wrote:
Also note that I am not attacking people but only trying to inform about the
truth while Mr. Bloch is constantly publishing personal attacks.
Please point us to those. I couldn't find those, only technical base
stuff with well
On Sat, Mar 24, 2007 at 04:40:34PM +0100, Joerg Schilling wrote:
Roberto C. Sánchez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Joerg, as a piece of friendly advice, I think it would be wise to drop
it. You continue to do your reputation harm by going around making this
claim. Does Debian's fork somehow
Hi,
On Sat Mar 24, 2007 at 17:28:36 +0100, Joerg Schilling wrote:
Martin Zobel-Helas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi,
On Sat Mar 24, 2007 at 16:40:34 +0100, Joerg Schilling wrote:
Also note that I am not attacking people but only trying to inform about
the
truth while Mr. Bloch
Martin Zobel-Helas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi,
On Sat Mar 24, 2007 at 16:40:34 +0100, Joerg Schilling wrote:
Also note that I am not attacking people but only trying to inform about
the
truth while Mr. Bloch is constantly publishing personal attacks.
Please point us to those. I
On Sat, 24 Mar 2007 16:40:34 +0100, Joerg Schilling wrote:
This fork harms the users of Debian in at least two ways:
- the fork does not work decently and thus annoyes them
I am a Debian user. cdrkit certainly *does* work decently. Far better
than cdrecord, which only manages to
* Martin Zobel-Helas ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [070324 17:45]:
Read what i wrote you, and then speak again!
or rather not.
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Roberto C. Sánchez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
- the fact that other Debian maintainers does not try to
find a workaround for the problems caused by some outcasts
causes damage to the reputation of the Debian project.
I guess you missed Aurelien's mail [0]? What about the other
On Sat, Mar 24, 2007 at 06:53:43PM +0100, Joerg Schilling wrote:
Roberto C. Sánchez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
- the fact that other Debian maintainers does not try to
find a workaround for the problems caused by some outcasts
causes damage to the reputation of the Debian project.
On 10968 March 1977, Joerg Schilling wrote:
There is no need to refute obviously wrong claims from Mr. Bloch.
If you believe his wrong claims, it seems that I cannot help you anyway.
As you always and only hit on Eduard - does that mean my claims aren't
wrong?
Or does you not answering the
Hi,
* Roberto C. Sánchez [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-03-24 20:10]:
On Sat, Mar 24, 2007 at 06:53:43PM +0100, Joerg Schilling wrote:
Roberto C. Sánchez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Mail not addressed to me is send py people who are not interested
in an answer from me.
The Code of Conduct
On Sat, Mar 24, 2007 at 08:23:33PM +0100, Nico Golde wrote:
C'mon, you and almost everyone who replied to this thread
Cc'ed Joerg so this should not be the point.
I (and I imagine others) have CC'd Joerg since he has done so. To me,
if someone CC's people it indicates that he wants a CC
Roberto C. Sánchez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I guess you missed Aurelien's mail [0]? What about the other distros?
Mail not addressed to me is send py people who are not interested
in an answer from me.
The Code of Conduct for the Debian lists indicates that CCs are to be
Joerg Jaspert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 10968 March 1977, Joerg Schilling wrote:
There is no need to refute obviously wrong claims from Mr. Bloch.
If you believe his wrong claims, it seems that I cannot help you anyway.
As you always and only hit on Eduard - does that mean my claims
On Sat, Mar 24, 2007 at 11:07:34AM -0400, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
Please forgive me for feeding the troll.
No.
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Debian Developer to set it on, and I can move the world.
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On 10968 March 1977, Joerg Schilling wrote:
Or does you not answering the arguments in my mails from shortly before
we did the fork simply show that you do not have anything to reply to
them, as there simply isnt anything valid against them? Instead you
simply told me I am a liar and still
On Sat, Mar 24, 2007 at 09:00:20PM +0100, Joerg Schilling wrote:
Roberto C. Sánchez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I guess you missed Aurelien's mail [0]? What about the other distros?
Mail not addressed to me is send py people who are not interested
in an answer from me.
On Sat, Mar 24, 2007 at 02:08:10PM +0200, Tshepang Lekhonkhobe wrote:
Distors are often viewed as mere packagers, but they tend to drive
upstream development in variety of ways. Here's just a few of Debian's
contributions to the world of FLOSS during 2006:
* creation of cdrkit, a fork of
On Sat, Mar 24, 2007 at 09:00:20PM +0100, Joerg Schilling [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Roberto C. Sánchez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I guess you missed Aurelien's mail [0]? What about the other distros?
Mail not addressed to me is send py people who are not interested
in an
Joerg Jaspert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 10968 March 1977, Joerg Schilling wrote:
Or does you not answering the arguments in my mails from shortly before
we did the fork simply show that you do not have anything to reply to
them, as there simply isnt anything valid against them? Instead
Roberto C. Sánchez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I do not have the unlimited time to waste with useless speudo
discussions. I am sorry, but this will be the last response to you
unless you start to open your mind to the reality.
For the same reason. this reply is shortened.
- dozens of unfixed
On Sat, Mar 24, 2007 at 05:13:04PM -0400, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
They are not my guidelines. I imagine that the list guidelines and code
of conduct were thouroughly vetted. However, I have not been around
long enough to know. Perhaps someone who has been around longer can say
for sure.
On Sat, Mar 24, 2007 at 10:51:04PM +0100, Joerg Schilling wrote:
Roberto C. Sánchez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I do not have the unlimited time to waste with useless speudo
discussions. I am sorry, but this will be the last response to you
unless you start to open your mind to the reality.
Roberto C. Sánchez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The GPL is known to be asymmetric (which is a problem) and even the founder
of Debian does not follow your strange ideas on interpreting the GPL.
http://ianmurdock.com/?p=278
(see 3rd paragraph)
Umm, Ian Murdock had a problem with
Hi,
On Sat Mar 24, 2007 at 17:44:53 +0100, Martin Zobel-Helas wrote:
Hi,
I asked you to point me to those published personal attacks and i did
not ask you about your personal opinion about Mr. Bloch.
Read what i wrote you, and then speak again!
As Mr. Schilling answered all the other
Martin Zobel-Helas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I asked you to point me to those published personal attacks and i did
not ask you about your personal opinion about Mr. Bloch.
Read what i wrote you, and then speak again!
As Mr. Schilling answered all the other mails in this thread but
Hi,
On Sun Mar 25, 2007 at 01:24:39 +0100, Joerg Schilling wrote:
Martin Zobel-Helas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I asked you to point me to those published personal attacks and i did
not ask you about your personal opinion about Mr. Bloch.
Read what i wrote you, and then speak
On Sun, Mar 25, 2007 at 03:33:40AM +0200, Martin Zobel-Helas wrote:
Hi,
On Sun Mar 25, 2007 at 01:24:39 +0100, Joerg Schilling wrote:
Read the Debian mailing list archives and you will find some of the related
personal atacks.
I asked for references, but you seem not to be able to
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