stable / backports (Re: When Debian 4.1 will arrive... will anyone care?)

2007-04-20 Thread Bart Martens
On Fri, 2007-04-20 at 15:17 +1000, Craig Sanders wrote: contrary to popular belief and self-delusion, 'stable+backports' is NO LONGER STABLE. That is of course true. the only 'advantage' to using 'stable+backports' over 'stable+some packages from unstable or testing' is that you don't have

Re: stable / backports (Re: When Debian 4.1 will arrive... will anyone care?)

2007-04-20 Thread Joey Schulze
Bart Martens wrote: the only 'advantage' to using 'stable+backports' over 'stable+some packages from unstable or testing' is that you don't have that nasty label 'unstable'.(...) IMO, if you need a 'stable' system with some newer packages, you're better off learning how apt's pinning

Re: stable / backports (Re: When Debian 4.1 will arrive... will anyone care?)

2007-04-20 Thread Alexander Wirt
Martin Schulze schrieb am Freitag, den 20. April 2007: Hi Joey, *snip* Backports are recompiled packages from testing, so they will run without new libraries on a stable Debian distribution. It is not always possible to install a package from testing without pulling in lots more

Re: stable / backports (Re: When Debian 4.1 will arrive... will anyone care?)

2007-04-20 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Fri, Apr 20, 2007 at 08:11:20AM +0200, Bart Martens a écrit : Anyhow, I think that the discussion is about getting newer upstream releases into stable sooner. And also about having new packages in stable... Have a nice day, -- Charles Plessy http://charles.plessy.org Wako, Saitama,

Re: stable / backports (Re: When Debian 4.1 will arrive... will anyone care?)

2007-04-20 Thread Craig Sanders
On Fri, Apr 20, 2007 at 08:11:20AM +0200, Bart Martens wrote: On Fri, 2007-04-20 at 15:17 +1000, Craig Sanders wrote: contrary to popular belief and self-delusion, 'stable+backports' is NO LONGER STABLE. That is of course true. the only 'advantage' to using 'stable+backports' over

Re: stable / backports (Re: When Debian 4.1 will arrive... will anyone care?)

2007-04-20 Thread Martin Schulze
Craig Sanders wrote: i just don't see why people like to fool themselves that they're still running 'stable' when they install stuff from backports. they're not. Maybe the difference is that the overall system is still stable with all of its benefits, but with only a few packages pulled in from