GR for statement on diversity? (Re: xth wrap-up about statement on diversity, statement may be issued without general resolution)

2012-04-29 Thread Filipus Klutiero
On 2012-04-27 01:36, Kevin Mark wrote: On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 06:00:21PM -0400, Filipus Klutiero wrote: Otherwise, our lack of diversity can either be seen as a desired/voluntary state of things, or as the result of a failure to recruit "minorities". Here again, I'd be surprised if we didn't ag

Re: Re: xth wrap-up about statement on diversity, statement may be issued without general resolution

2012-04-26 Thread Kevin Mark
On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 06:00:21PM -0400, Filipus Klutiero wrote: > > Otherwise, our lack of diversity can either be seen as a > desired/voluntary state of things, or as the result of a failure to > recruit "minorities". Here again, I'd be surprised if we didn't > agree that the latter is by far t

Re: Re: xth wrap-up about statement on diversity, statement may be issued without general resolution

2012-04-26 Thread Filipus Klutiero
Le Sat, Apr 21, 2012 at 05:27:22PM +0200, Stefano Zacchiroli a écrit : > > By the letter of the Constitution, the DPL cannot bless the diversity > statement as a position statement of the Project, even if there is > consensus on it. Nor can Developers as a whole, unless they vote, no > matter

Re: xth wrap-up about statement on diversity, statement may be issued without general resolution

2012-04-23 Thread Russ Allbery
Ian Jackson writes: > Russ Allbery writes: >> Personally, I think there would be a lot of merit in holding a GR on >> that as well. Legal issues are always highly contentious, and it's >> easier to tell people to follow that position with their Debian work >> when it's been voted on as a GR. >

Re: xth wrap-up about statement on diversity, statement may be issued without general resolution

2012-04-23 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 02:21:46PM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote: > Steve Langasek writes ("Re: xth wrap-up about statement on diversity, > statement may be issued without general resolution"): > > So I would much prefer that Stefano simply start a GR in favor of the > >

Re: xth wrap-up about statement on diversity, statement may be issued without general resolution

2012-04-23 Thread Ian Jackson
Steve Langasek writes ("Re: xth wrap-up about statement on diversity, statement may be issued without general resolution"): > So I would much prefer that Stefano simply start a GR in favor of the > diversity statement instead. He does have a leg up in that as DPL, he > can pro

Re: xth wrap-up about statement on diversity, statement may be issued without general resolution

2012-04-23 Thread Ian Jackson
Russ Allbery writes: > [re diversity statement] > > That's actually part of the reason why I, personally, would like it to be > a GR. I'd like to see the Debian Project make that statement, and putting > the stamp of official blessing of a GR on it does make that statement > somewhat stronger (and

Re: xth wrap-up about statement on diversity, statement may be issued without general resolution

2012-04-21 Thread Russ Allbery
Charles Plessy writes: > In my understanding of the Constitution, it is totally acceptable to > write on our website that we welcome everybody, without voting a GR. > What would require a GR would be to write that it is Debian's position > that we welcome everybody. That's actually part of the r

Re: xth wrap-up about statement on diversity, statement may be issued without general resolution

2012-04-21 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Sat, Apr 21, 2012 at 05:27:22PM +0200, Stefano Zacchiroli a écrit : > > By the letter of the Constitution, the DPL cannot bless the diversity > statement as a position statement of the Project, even if there is > consensus on it. Nor can Developers as a whole, unless they vote, no > matter the

Re: xth wrap-up about statement on diversity, statement may be issued without general resolution

2012-04-21 Thread Steve Langasek
On Sat, Apr 21, 2012 at 05:52:37PM +0200, Alexander Reichle-Schmehl wrote: > Hi! > >There seems to be only two ways out of this: (1) have a GR, or (2) turn > >a blind eye on the Constitution recommended procedure, accepting we made > >a mistake (of which I'm ready to take the blame), and move on.

Re: xth wrap-up about statement on diversity, statement may be issued without general resolution

2012-04-21 Thread Alexander Reichle-Schmehl
Hi! On 21.04.2012 17:27, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: There seems to be only two ways out of this: (1) have a GR, or (2) turn a blind eye on the Constitution recommended procedure, accepting we made a mistake (of which I'm ready to take the blame), and move on. While I still see the advantage of n

Re: xth wrap-up about statement on diversity, statement may be issued without general resolution

2012-04-21 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 10:38:25AM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: > Perhaps because under the constitution, position statements are a > power that the developers exercise under GR, not a power that the DPL > has? In spite of the rhetoric tone :-), this is indeed an important point. Now that you made

Re: Re: xth wrap-up about statement on diversity, statement may be issued without general resolution (Re: Diversity statement for the Debian Project)

2012-04-20 Thread Filipus Klutiero
Hi Stefano, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 09:47:04PM -0400, Filipus Klutiero wrote: > The message from Stefano Zacchiroli quoted below includes a wrap-up > (of the wrap-up (of the...)) about the statement on diversity in > contributors proposed by Francesca Ciceri. > Stef

Re: xth wrap-up about statement on diversity, statement may be issued without general resolution (Re: Diversity statement for the Debian Project)

2012-04-20 Thread Steve Langasek
On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 09:25:21AM +0200, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: > On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 09:47:04PM -0400, Filipus Klutiero wrote: > > The message from Stefano Zacchiroli quoted below includes a wrap-up > > (of the wrap-up (of the...)) about the statement on diversity in > > contributors propo

Re: xth wrap-up about statement on diversity, statement may be issued without general resolution (Re: Diversity statement for the Debian Project)

2012-04-20 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 09:47:04PM -0400, Filipus Klutiero wrote: > The message from Stefano Zacchiroli quoted below includes a wrap-up > (of the wrap-up (of the...)) about the statement on diversity in > contributors proposed by Francesca Ciceri. > Stefano asked to publish it in #669011, although

xth wrap-up about statement on diversity, statement may be issued without general resolution (Re: Diversity statement for the Debian Project)

2012-04-19 Thread Filipus Klutiero
The message from Stefano Zacchiroli quoted below includes a wrap-up (of the wrap-up (of the...)) about the statement on diversity in contributors proposed by Francesca Ciceri. Stefano asked to publish it in #669011, although the statement is not approved. Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: On Fri, Mar