Re: Results of the Lenny release GR

2009-01-13 Thread Michael Meskes
On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 10:34:41PM +0100, Robert Millan wrote: He's doing more than interpret the results. He claims they are ambigous, and that his interpretation is based on his speculation on what he thinks the developers want. No, instead of whining and acusing people you should try to

Re: Results of the Lenny release GR

2009-01-13 Thread Michael Meskes
On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 10:37:28PM +0100, Robert Millan wrote: On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 09:26:20PM +, Robert Millan wrote: We're having a serious discussion, and you guys are adding noise. If you want to make jokes, please at least start a separate thread. ... That goes for you, too.

Re: I give up (for the time being)

2009-01-13 Thread Martin Schulze
Robert Millan wrote: So, I'll stop now. Do not think this means the problem just got solved. I only do it because I expect we can have a healthy discussion about it after Lenny is released. Thanks. Regards, Joey -- Life is a lot easier when you have someone to share it with. --

Re: I give up (for the time being)

2009-01-13 Thread Loïc Minier
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Updated Debian Maintainers Keyring

2009-01-13 Thread Anibal Monsalve Salazar
With the upload of debian-maintainers version 1.52, the following changes to the keyring have been made: i...@jhr-online.de Full name: Jan Hauke Rahm Added key: D26FB242AAA167AC310E69F718EA7A5DE0FC710D michael.ha...@ovgu.de Full name: Michael Hanke Added key:

Re: Results of the Lenny release GR

2009-01-13 Thread Francesco P. Lovergine
On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 11:35:22AM +0100, Joerg Jaspert wrote: How about you going elsewhere until Lenny is released, then coming back as soon as that happens and start working on what is left to fix then? (Not right before a release, right after a release for a change.) A VERY BIG +1 --

Scheduling project-wide post-lenny discussions?

2009-01-13 Thread Adeodato Simó
Hm. It seems we have a number of projet-wide discussions that we've more or less agreed to postpone until lenny is out. I have a moderate fear that once that happens, they are going to explode (the discussions) all over the lists. I suggested the creation of the DiscussionsAfterLenny wiki page a

Re: I give up (for the time being)

2009-01-13 Thread Russ Allbery
Robert Millan r...@aybabtu.com writes: So, I'll stop now. Do not think this means the problem just got solved. I only do it because I expect we can have a healthy discussion about it after Lenny is released. Best wishes to everyone, Thank you. Sincerely. I think this will mean we can

Re: search.debian.org

2009-01-13 Thread Thomas Viehmann
Hi, Thomas Viehmann wrote: apologies for the cross-post, choose your favorite one of the two to reply. search.debian.org[1], a slightly patched xapian-omega instance, is looking for a kind DD (or a team?) to pick it up. Some more improvements to the language support would be desirable, that

A Software Populist Who Doesn't Do Windows

2009-01-13 Thread Ean Schuessler
I don't know how many of you caught sight of this article about Ubuntu in the New York Times, its an amusingly stilted read. http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/11/business/11ubuntu.html I know its now considered bad form to whine about Ubuntu's chronic success at taking credit for Debian's

Re: A Software Populist Who Doesn't Do Windows

2009-01-13 Thread Russ Allbery
Ean Schuessler e...@brainfood.com writes: I don't know how many of you caught sight of this article about Ubuntu in the New York Times, its an amusingly stilted read. http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/11/business/11ubuntu.html It's a dreadful article. It's characteristic of the worst sort of

Re: Results of the Lenny release GR

2009-01-13 Thread Ian Jackson
Robert Millan writes (Re: Results of the Lenny release GR): Actually, I accept the outcome of the last vote. I don't like that we made an exception for firmware, but the developers chose to make one so there's no point in arguing about it. On the other hand, it appears that the Secretary,

Re: Scheduling project-wide post-lenny discussions?

2009-01-13 Thread Ian Jackson
Adeodato Simó writes (Scheduling project-wide post-lenny discussions?): It seems we have a number of projet-wide discussions that we've more or less agreed to postpone until lenny is out. I have a moderate fear that once that happens, they are going to explode (the discussions) all over the

Re: Results of the Lenny release GR

2009-01-13 Thread Bernd Zeimetz
Adeodato Simó wrote: * Robert Millan [Sun, 11 Jan 2009 08:22:58 +0100]: Currently, the only solution I see is that we ask the developers what they think, and hold another vote. Yes, I'm realizing myself there is not going to be another way. :-( Proposal: hand Robert Millan a nice

Re: Results of the Lenny release GR

2009-01-13 Thread Bernd Zeimetz
Robert Millan wrote: OTOH, if you just tell me to go elsewhere, I'm sorry but I don't want to look the other way while the project destroys its reputation for having a commitment to freedom, a democratic system and a set of principles. The only one who works on destroying the project at the