Re: PyCon BoF: Stretch goals for cPython, PyPy & CFFI

2015-04-14 Thread Paul Tagliamonte
On Tue, Apr 14, 2015 at 08:55:07AM +0200, Piotr Ożarowski wrote: > > If you want python (which include /usr/bin/python), install it. If you > > want > > python3, then the interpreter you're looking for is found at > > /usr/bin/python3. > > > > There's no dilemma to solve. > > +1 +1, but only

Re: PyCon BoF: Stretch goals for cPython, PyPy & CFFI

2015-04-14 Thread Piotr Ożarowski
> I'm > planning on playing notekeeper, and I'll publish a summary of what was > discussed to this thread, if that works. great, thanks -- Piotr Ożarowski Debian GNU/Linux Developer www.ozarowski.pl www.griffith.cc www.debian.org GPG Fingerprint: 1D2F A8

Re: PyCon BoF: Stretch goals for cPython, PyPy & CFFI

2015-04-14 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Apr 14, 2015, at 12:38 AM, Scott Kitterman wrote: >If you want python (which include /usr/bin/python), install it. If you want >python3, then the interpreter you're looking for is found at /usr/bin/python3. I just don't want it to fail mysteriously. When there's no Python 2 by default, comm

Re: PyCon BoF: Stretch goals for cPython, PyPy & CFFI

2015-04-14 Thread Thomas Kluyver
On 14 April 2015 at 08:10, Barry Warsaw wrote: > But it fails unhelpfully when you use it in a shebang. > > $ /tmp/foo.py > bash: /tmp/foo.py: /usr/bin/python: bad interpreter: No such file or > directory > > Let's make the latter more helpful. > >From a script authors point of view, it's curren

Re: PyCon BoF: Stretch goals for cPython, PyPy & CFFI

2015-04-14 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Tuesday, April 14, 2015 08:10:49 AM Barry Warsaw wrote: > On Apr 14, 2015, at 12:38 AM, Scott Kitterman wrote: > >If you want python (which include /usr/bin/python), install it. If you > >want python3, then the interpreter you're looking for is found at > >/usr/bin/python3. > I just don't want

Re: PyCon BoF: Stretch goals for cPython, PyPy & CFFI

2015-04-14 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Tuesday, April 14, 2015 08:24:01 AM Thomas Kluyver wrote: > On 14 April 2015 at 08:10, Barry Warsaw wrote: > > But it fails unhelpfully when you use it in a shebang. > > > > $ /tmp/foo.py > > bash: /tmp/foo.py: /usr/bin/python: bad interpreter: No such file or > > directory > > > > Let's make

Re: PyCon BoF: Stretch goals for cPython, PyPy & CFFI

2015-04-14 Thread Thomas Kluyver
On 14 April 2015 at 08:57, Scott Kitterman wrote: > I have scripts I use locally that are untouched in almost a decade that use > /usr/bin/python. I'm thinking about scripts that are written and distributed to people running on different, unknown, Linux distros. Obviously if you're only targeti

Re: PyCon BoF: Stretch goals for cPython, PyPy & CFFI

2015-04-14 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Tuesday, April 14, 2015 09:22:22 AM Thomas Kluyver wrote: > On 14 April 2015 at 08:57, Scott Kitterman wrote: > > I have scripts I use locally that are untouched in almost a decade that > > use > > /usr/bin/python. > > I'm thinking about scripts that are written and distributed to people > run

Re: PyCon BoF: Stretch goals for cPython, PyPy & CFFI

2015-04-14 Thread Elena ``of Valhalla''
On 2015-04-14 at 09:22:22 -0400, Thomas Kluyver wrote: > I'm thinking about scripts that are written and distributed to people > running on different, unknown, Linux distros. Obviously if you're only > targeting your own machines, there's no problem. But if you want to write a > script that will wo

Re: PyCon BoF: Stretch goals for cPython, PyPy & CFFI

2015-04-14 Thread Paul Tagliamonte
On Tue, Apr 14, 2015 at 10:00:07AM -0400, Scott Kitterman wrote: > It is, as I think it was you said, easy enough to write Python code these > days > that works for both python and python3. As an upstream developer, go ahead > and do that and leave it to the distros to packageit appropriately f

Re: PyCon BoF: Stretch goals for cPython, PyPy & CFFI

2015-04-14 Thread Geoffrey Thomas
I'm trying to make sure I understand this subthread correctly. Is the following an accurate summary of the desires? 1. It should be possible, in Debian, not to ship Python 2 by default in the near future, and to remove Python 2 from the archive in the far future. 2. A huge number of existing

Re: PyCon BoF: Stretch goals for cPython, PyPy & CFFI

2015-04-14 Thread Stefano Rivera
Hi debian-python (2015.04.13_22:17:03_+0200) > Matthias and I are planning to have a Debian Python BoF at PyCon, > tomorrow afternoon. I think lunch is 2pm, so 3pm? > > Meet outside the cPython sprint room? In case you didn't see the private mails: We've got a table in room 513b. Still on for 3

Bits from the Debian PyCon Hangout

2015-04-14 Thread Paul Tagliamonte
=== BITS FROM THE DEBIAN PYCON HANGOUT === Agenda: - Discuss how we might support multiple interpreters with Python 3 packages, for cpython + pypy C extensions. - Set up a plan for the svn => git migration - Python 2 "deprecation" - /usr/bin/pytho

Re: Bits from the Debian PyCon Hangout

2015-04-14 Thread Ben Finney
Paul Tagliamonte writes: > === BITS FROM THE DEBIAN PYCON HANGOUT === Thanks for posting this so promptly, Paul! -- \ “Not using Microsoft products is like being a non-smoker 40 or | `\ 50 years ago: You can choose not to smoke, yourself, but it's | _o__)

Upstream source merge only when building Debian source (was: Bits from the Debian PyCon Hangout)

2015-04-14 Thread Ben Finney
Paul Tagliamonte writes: > SVN => GIT > -- > "We should just do it!" +1 […] > All present felt strongly that we should always use pristine upstream > tarballs as released by upstreams, with pristine-tar. I'm glad of the former. I don't use ‘pristine-tar’, though. I use the “m

Re: Bits from the Debian PyCon Hangout

2015-04-14 Thread Scott Kitterman
On April 14, 2015 6:01:56 PM EDT, Paul Tagliamonte wrote: > >=== BITS FROM THE DEBIAN PYCON HANGOUT === > > >Agenda: > > - Discuss how we might support multiple interpreters with Python 3 >packages, for cpython + pypy C extensions. > - Set up a plan for the svn =>