Re: Orphaned packages with very low popcon numbers

2006-06-12 Thread tim hall
On Sunday 11 June 2006 17:55, Luk Claes was like: > > In other cases, IMO, it's a lot of work to check and remove the > > packages (both for the QA and the FTP teams), without any real gain for > > the project. > > I don't see how it can be still a lot of work now? The real gain is less > packages

Re: Orphaned packages with very low popcon numbers

2006-06-12 Thread Thomas Viehmann
Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: > If it gets dropped entirely, then the user doesn't get any notice of > that fact; their system just keeps on going as before. Except that > the package now gets *no* updates instead of minimal ones. Basically, this amounts to perpetually keeping obsolete packages. Is a

Bug#370087: marked as done (Please include the package description.)

2006-06-12 Thread Christoph Berg
Re: Filippo Giunchedi 2006-06-10 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > thanks for the quick reply, is the "package - (short) description" available > somewhere? (okay, this might be another feature for the famous CRMI *g*) Atm it's a big ugly "throw all Packages.gz files at grep-dctrl" which puts the data into a

Re: Orphaned packages with very low popcon numbers

2006-06-12 Thread Michael Stone
On Mon, Jun 12, 2006 at 09:51:28AM +0200, Thomas Viehmann wrote: Basically, this amounts to perpetually keeping obsolete packages. Is a good choice? Well, at least you've learned why debian has so much obsolete junk--the "every package is sacred crowd" comes along every time this topic comes

Re: Orphaned packages with very low popcon numbers

2006-06-12 Thread Jose Parrella
Michael Stone escribió: > Well, at least you've learned why debian has so much obsolete junk--the > "every package is sacred crowd" comes along every time this topic comes I think I've learned that, too. I don't really support this idea but: what if a branch of the archive is opened where this pa

Re: Orphaned packages with very low popcon numbers

2006-06-12 Thread Justin Pryzby
On Mon, Jun 12, 2006 at 06:22:26AM -0400, Jose Parrella wrote: > Michael Stone escribi?: > > Well, at least you've learned why debian has so much obsolete junk--the > > "every package is sacred crowd" comes along every time this topic comes > > I think I've learned that, too. > > I don't really s

Bug#370087: [OT] css (was Re: Bug#370087: marked as done (Please include the package description.))

2006-06-12 Thread Justin Pryzby
On Fri, Jun 09, 2006 at 07:49:34PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > Christoph Berg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > reopen 370087 > > thanks > > > > Re: Debian Bug Tracking System 2006-06-09 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> >> Please include the packages description on packages.qa.debian.org. > >> >

Follow-up to "52 packages it would be nice to remove"

2006-06-12 Thread Kevin B. McCarty
Dear QA list, This is a follow-up to this email: http://lists.debian.org/debian-qa/2006/05/msg00026.html in which I listed 51 packages that have old RC bugs and very low popcon numbers (less than or about equal to 10 installations reported). [The 52nd package is interchange-doc, which i

Re: Orphaned packages with very low popcon numbers

2006-06-12 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Mon, Jun 12, 2006 at 06:22:26AM -0400, Jose Parrella wrote: > I don't really support this idea but: what if a branch of the archive is > opened where this packages could be put in and Debian makes a explicit > statement indicating that packages there are orphaned or very little > maintained? Thi

Re: Orphaned packages with very low popcon numbers

2006-06-12 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Thomas Viehmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: >> If it gets dropped entirely, then the user doesn't get any notice of >> that fact; their system just keeps on going as before. Except that >> the package now gets *no* updates instead of minimal ones. > Basically, this am

Re: Orphaned packages with very low popcon numbers

2006-06-12 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Michael Stone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Mon, Jun 12, 2006 at 09:51:28AM +0200, Thomas Viehmann wrote: >>Basically, this amounts to perpetually keeping obsolete packages. Is a >>good choice? > > Well, at least you've learned why debian has so much obsolete > junk--the "every package is sacre

Re: Follow-up to "52 packages it would be nice to remove"

2006-06-12 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
"Kevin B. McCarty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > After a suitable period of time to collect replies (two weeks), I plan > to write to the debian-qa mailing list. I'll give a summary of the > source packages listed at the first URL above for which I received > affirmative, negative, and no respons

Re: Follow-up to "52 packages it would be nice to remove"

2006-06-12 Thread Kevin B. McCarty
Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: > "Kevin B. McCarty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > >>After a suitable period of time to collect replies (two weeks), I plan >>to write to the debian-qa mailing list. I'll give a summary of the >>source packages listed at the first URL above for which I received >>aff

Re: Orphaned packages with very low popcon numbers

2006-06-12 Thread Michael Stone
On Mon, Jun 12, 2006 at 10:55:32AM -0700, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: But a bulk "anything that is orphaned and has a low popcon number must be useless" is incorrect. You've made this assertion several times, it's still unsubstantiated. The process of identifying potentially problematic package

Re: Orphaned packages with very low popcon numbers

2006-06-12 Thread Bas Zoetekouw
Hi Michael! You wrote: > On Mon, Jun 12, 2006 at 10:55:32AM -0700, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: > >But a bulk "anything that is orphaned and has a low popcon number must > >be useless" is incorrect. > > You've made this assertion several times, it's still unsubstantiated. > The process of identif

Re: Orphaned packages with very low popcon numbers

2006-06-12 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Michael Stone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Mon, Jun 12, 2006 at 10:55:32AM -0700, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: >>But a bulk "anything that is orphaned and has a low popcon number must >>be useless" is incorrect. > > You've made this assertion several times, it's still > unsubstantiated. Wow, a

Re: Orphaned packages with very low popcon numbers

2006-06-12 Thread Luk Claes
Bas Zoetekouw wrote: > Hi Michael! > > You wrote: > >> On Mon, Jun 12, 2006 at 10:55:32AM -0700, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: >>> But a bulk "anything that is orphaned and has a low popcon number must >>> be useless" is incorrect. >> You've made this assertion several times, it's still unsubstantia

Re: Orphaned packages with very low popcon numbers

2006-06-12 Thread Bas Zoetekouw
Hi Luk! You wrote: > This is only the starting list, there were other criteria [1] mentioned > already a couple of times before a package would be filed for removal! I > don't get why that has to repeated every time again? > > [1]: > (a) aren't ITAed, and > (b) have been orphaned for more than,