Re: packages with invalid maintainer fields

2005-06-18 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Sat, Jun 18, 2005 at 08:52:17PM -0700, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: > Matthew Palmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > If the package is improperly maintained, someone else will take it over > > sooner or later and give it the love it needs, regardless of what is in the > > Maintainer: field. Ig

Re: packages with invalid maintainer fields

2005-06-18 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Matthew Palmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > If the package is improperly maintained, someone else will take it over > sooner or later and give it the love it needs, regardless of what is in the > Maintainer: field. Ignoring questions about the package (whether > machine-assisted or through pure

Re: packages with invalid maintainer fields

2005-06-18 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Sat, Jun 18, 2005 at 06:05:23PM -0700, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: > Matthew Palmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Again, what material effect does that have? Does it prevent the person who > > has primary interest in the package (whom we commonly term "the maintainer") > > from updating it?

Re: packages with invalid maintainer fields

2005-06-18 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Matthew Palmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Again, what material effect does that have? Does it prevent the person who > has primary interest in the package (whom we commonly term "the maintainer") > from updating it? It might mildly interest QA people, but since they NMU > packages in bad shap

Re: packages with invalid maintainer fields

2005-06-18 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Sat, Jun 18, 2005 at 04:02:23PM -0700, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: > Matthew Palmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > On Sat, Jun 18, 2005 at 03:36:44PM -0700, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: > >> Debian maintainers are required to provide a valid email address in > >> the maintainer field for packag

Re: packages with invalid maintainer fields

2005-06-18 Thread Russ Allbery
Thomas Bushnell BSG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > This is not universal, but it is extremely common. Even someone as > patient and decent as you doesn't give a hint in your email here that if > your rule is over-broad and drops a valid message, you would regard that > as something you must fix, o

Re: packages with invalid maintainer fields

2005-06-18 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Russ Allbery <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Plus, I really don't think there's any way that one can achieve, let > alone mandate, zero false positives -- as previously mentioned, > purely human spam filtering does not have zero false positives. There's a wild difference between these two cases, wh

Re: packages with invalid maintainer fields

2005-06-18 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Russ Allbery <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Please don't underestimate the problems caused by backscatter. Nearly all > of my current virus load is backscatter traffic, and each time a new virus > comes out I tend to get a hundred copies and several hundred to a thousand > bounce messages claiming

Re: packages with invalid maintainer fields

2005-06-18 Thread Russ Allbery
Thomas Bushnell BSG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Russ Allbery <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> I adopt no particular spam filtering rules at the SMTP layer, but I use >> bogofilter (a Bayesian-trained spam filter) to pre-process my mail and >> weed out the spam. The chances of me noticing a false

Re: packages with invalid maintainer fields

2005-06-18 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Matthew Palmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Sat, Jun 18, 2005 at 03:36:44PM -0700, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: >> Debian maintainers are required to provide a valid email address in >> the maintainer field for package uploads. Some maintainers have >> adopted the policy of various arbitrary fi

Re: packages with invalid maintainer fields

2005-06-18 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Sat, Jun 18, 2005 at 03:36:44PM -0700, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: > Debian maintainers are required to provide a valid email address in > the maintainer field for package uploads. Some maintainers have > adopted the policy of various arbitrary filtering rules of their own > invention, under whi

Re: packages with invalid maintainer fields

2005-06-18 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Russ Allbery <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I adopt no particular spam filtering rules at the SMTP layer, but I use > bogofilter (a Bayesian-trained spam filter) to pre-process my mail and > weed out the spam. The chances of me noticing a false positive are > non-zero but fairly low. It is plausi

Re: packages with invalid maintainer fields

2005-06-18 Thread Russ Allbery
Thomas Bushnell BSG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Debian maintainers are required to provide a valid email address in the > maintainer field for package uploads. Some maintainers have adopted the > policy of various arbitrary filtering rules of their own invention, > under which they will not rec

packages with invalid maintainer fields

2005-06-18 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Debian maintainers are required to provide a valid email address in the maintainer field for package uploads. Some maintainers have adopted the policy of various arbitrary filtering rules of their own invention, under which they will not receive some proper email from perfectly legitimate senders