Re: Logging practices (and why does it suck in Debian?)

2001-04-20 Thread Mike Renfro
On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 05:06:06PM -0600, Tim Uckun wrote: > I couldn't agree more. apt-get will install postgres 6.5 in potato. > Postgres has gone through two versions since (7.0 and 7.1). > It kind of defeats the purpose of apt if you have manually build everything > anyway. Especially con

Re: Logging practices (and why does it suck in Debian?)

2001-04-20 Thread Tim Uckun
>That way, I get newer versions of postgres, zope, apache, whatever, >but don't have to completely upgrade to woody or sid. Those lazier, >more impatient, or less CPU-capable than I might want to look into >Stephane Bortzmeyer's list of unofficial apt sources to see if anyone >has already built s

Re: Logging practices (and why does it suck in Debian?)

2001-04-20 Thread Peter Cordes
On Fri, Apr 20, 2001 at 10:12:42AM -0600, Tim Uckun wrote: > Shared libraries may have been a good idea but somehow the implementation > in both windows and linux got all weird. I just did a search for *.dll on > my windows 2K system and it came back with 4,303 files. Doesn't win2k do what you

Re: Logging practices (and why does it suck in Debian?)

2001-04-20 Thread Lupe Christoph
On Friday, 2001-04-20 at 14:14:13 -0300, Peter Cordes wrote: > On Fri, Apr 20, 2001 at 10:12:42AM -0600, Tim Uckun wrote: > > Shared libraries may have been a good idea but somehow the implementation > > in both windows and linux got all weird. I just did a search for *.dll on > > my windows 2K

Re: Logging practices (and why does it suck in Debian?)

2001-04-20 Thread Tim Uckun
> > Doesn't win2k do what you suggest, and have a the dlls for each app in a >directory for that app? Not really. Some are others are in winsys others are in program files/shared etc. Since W2K also absolutely trusts Microsoft and Microsoft installs and upgrades are notorious for breaking t

Re: Logging practices (and why does it suck in Debian?)

2001-04-20 Thread Peter Cordes
On Fri, Apr 20, 2001 at 08:24:03PM +0200, Lupe Christoph wrote: > On Friday, 2001-04-20 at 14:14:13 -0300, Peter Cordes wrote: > > On Fri, Apr 20, 2001 at 10:12:42AM -0600, Tim Uckun wrote: > > > Shared libraries may have been a good idea but somehow the implementation > > > in both windows and l

Re: Logging practices (and why does it suck in Debian?)

2001-04-20 Thread Philippe Troin
Lupe Christoph <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Friday, 2001-04-20 at 14:14:13 -0300, Peter Cordes wrote: > > On Fri, Apr 20, 2001 at 10:12:42AM -0600, Tim Uckun wrote: > > > Shared libraries may have been a good idea but somehow the > > > implementation in both windows and linux got all weird. I

Re: Logging practices (and why does it suck in Debian?)

2001-04-20 Thread Peter Cordes
On Fri, Apr 20, 2001 at 01:31:49PM -0600, Tim Uckun wrote: > > > > > Doesn't win2k do what you suggest, and have a the dlls for each app in a > >directory for that app? > > Not really. Some are others are in winsys others are in program > files/shared etc. Since W2K also absolutely trusts Mi

Re: Logging practices (and why does it suck in Debian?)

2001-04-20 Thread Graham Hughes
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Lupe Christoph <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Friday, 2001-04-20 at 14:14:13 -0300, Peter Cordes wrote: > > On Fri, Apr 20, 2001 at 10:12:42AM -0600, Tim Uckun wrote: > > > Shared libraries may have been a good idea but somehow the > > > implementa

suspicious netstat ouput

2001-04-20 Thread Jonathan Freiermuth
I got the following output from "netstat -elpn" on my firewall (kernel 2.4.2, iptables). /-(root@cerberus)-(166/ttyS0)-(17:56:42:Friday Apr 20)- \-(/var/log)- ROOT : netstat -elpn Active Internet connections (only servers) Proto Recv-Q Send-Q Local Address Foreign Address Sta

Re: suspicious netstat ouput

2001-04-20 Thread Adam Keys
On 20 Apr 2001 18:26:00 -0400, Jonathan Freiermuth wrote: > I got the following output from "netstat -elpn" on my firewall (kernel 2.4.2, >iptables). > > /-(root@cerberus)-(166/ttyS0)-(17:56:42:Friday Apr 20)- > \-(/var/log)- > ROOT : netstat -elpn > Active Internet connections (only servers)

Re: Logging practices (and why does it suck in Debian?)

2001-04-20 Thread Mike Renfro
On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 05:06:06PM -0600, Tim Uckun wrote: > I couldn't agree more. apt-get will install postgres 6.5 in potato. > Postgres has gone through two versions since (7.0 and 7.1). > It kind of defeats the purpose of apt if you have manually build everything > anyway. Especially cons

Re: Logging practices (and why does it suck in Debian?)

2001-04-20 Thread Tim Uckun
That way, I get newer versions of postgres, zope, apache, whatever, but don't have to completely upgrade to woody or sid. Those lazier, more impatient, or less CPU-capable than I might want to look into Stephane Bortzmeyer's list of unofficial apt sources to see if anyone has already built somet

Re: Logging practices (and why does it suck in Debian?)

2001-04-20 Thread Peter Cordes
On Fri, Apr 20, 2001 at 10:12:42AM -0600, Tim Uckun wrote: > Shared libraries may have been a good idea but somehow the implementation > in both windows and linux got all weird. I just did a search for *.dll on > my windows 2K system and it came back with 4,303 files. Doesn't win2k do what you

Re: Logging practices (and why does it suck in Debian?)

2001-04-20 Thread Lupe Christoph
On Friday, 2001-04-20 at 14:14:13 -0300, Peter Cordes wrote: > On Fri, Apr 20, 2001 at 10:12:42AM -0600, Tim Uckun wrote: > > Shared libraries may have been a good idea but somehow the implementation > > in both windows and linux got all weird. I just did a search for *.dll on > > my windows 2K s

Re: Logging practices (and why does it suck in Debian?)

2001-04-20 Thread Tim Uckun
Doesn't win2k do what you suggest, and have a the dlls for each app in a directory for that app? Not really. Some are others are in winsys others are in program files/shared etc. Since W2K also absolutely trusts Microsoft and Microsoft installs and upgrades are notorious for breaking thi

Re: Logging practices (and why does it suck in Debian?)

2001-04-20 Thread Peter Cordes
On Fri, Apr 20, 2001 at 08:24:03PM +0200, Lupe Christoph wrote: > On Friday, 2001-04-20 at 14:14:13 -0300, Peter Cordes wrote: > > On Fri, Apr 20, 2001 at 10:12:42AM -0600, Tim Uckun wrote: > > > Shared libraries may have been a good idea but somehow the implementation > > > in both windows and li

Re: Logging practices (and why does it suck in Debian?)

2001-04-20 Thread Philippe Troin
Lupe Christoph <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Friday, 2001-04-20 at 14:14:13 -0300, Peter Cordes wrote: > > On Fri, Apr 20, 2001 at 10:12:42AM -0600, Tim Uckun wrote: > > > Shared libraries may have been a good idea but somehow the > > > implementation in both windows and linux got all weird. I

Re: Logging practices (and why does it suck in Debian?)

2001-04-20 Thread Peter Cordes
On Fri, Apr 20, 2001 at 01:31:49PM -0600, Tim Uckun wrote: > > > > > Doesn't win2k do what you suggest, and have a the dlls for each app in a > >directory for that app? > > Not really. Some are others are in winsys others are in program > files/shared etc. Since W2K also absolutely trusts Mic

Re: Logging practices (and why does it suck in Debian?)

2001-04-20 Thread Graham Hughes
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Lupe Christoph <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Friday, 2001-04-20 at 14:14:13 -0300, Peter Cordes wrote: > > On Fri, Apr 20, 2001 at 10:12:42AM -0600, Tim Uckun wrote: > > > Shared libraries may have been a good idea but somehow the > > > implementat

suspicious netstat ouput

2001-04-20 Thread Jonathan Freiermuth
I got the following output from "netstat -elpn" on my firewall (kernel 2.4.2, iptables). /-([EMAIL PROTECTED])-(166/ttyS0)-(17:56:42:Friday Apr 20)- \-(/var/log)- ROOT : netstat -elpn Active Internet connections (only servers) Proto Recv-Q Send-Q Local Address Foreign Address