Re: machine monitoring packages

2003-02-14 Thread Thorsten Giese
Am Freitag, 14. Februar 2003 12:47 schrieb Thorsten Giese: Hello there. I have followed the recent discussion with all the flavours of the different tools. A question came to my mind immediatly: What is the difference between nagios and opennms? A second one: Can one of the tools also

Re: machine monitoring packages

2003-02-14 Thread Dariush Pietrzak
Hello, I believe there is a need for good monitoring tool, and none of existing tools qualify. As it stands now, I am using mix of different tools, quite similiar to each other... ie netsaint, mrtg, smokeping and monit. And add to that syslog with syslog monitoring tools, add ipsec for logging

Re: machine monitoring packages

2003-02-14 Thread Philipp Hetzner
Don't know all the tools u are talking about, but maybe BigBrother (http://bb4.com/) is what u are looking for? Philipp Hetzner Dariush Pietrzak wrote: Hello, I believe there is a need for good monitoring tool, and none of existing tools qualify. As it stands now, I am using mix of different

Re: machine monitoring packages

2003-02-14 Thread Dariush Pietrzak
Don't know all the tools u are talking about, but maybe BigBrother (http://bb4.com/) is what u are looking for? Ehm, netsaint,nagios seems way more mature. And I don't intend to replace one of those tools. I want one tool for monitoring. Or maybe two ( monit needs to run as root, wouldn't be

Re: machine monitoring packages

2003-02-14 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Fri, Feb 14, 2003 at 02:53:20PM +0100, Dariush Pietrzak wrote: nice.. but design behind whole mrtg/rrdtool makes them useless in many situations - for example, try comparing trends in two julys from different years.. you can't, can you.. ) Of course you can, as long as you set up your RRDs

Re: machine monitoring packages

2003-02-14 Thread Mike Renfro
On Fri, Feb 14, 2003 at 02:53:20PM +0100, Dariush Pietrzak wrote: If anyone decides to start writing monitoring tool, I'd be happy to join the team. Packages for spong and rrdtool already exist. They might not do everything, but it looks to be a pretty stable base to start from, and there's

Re: machine monitoring packages

2003-02-14 Thread Duzlevski, Ognen
On Fri, 14 Feb 2003, Dariush Pietrzak wrote: Don't know all the tools u are talking about, but maybe BigBrother (http://bb4.com/) is what u are looking for? Ehm, netsaint,nagios seems way more mature. And I don't intend to replace one of those tools. I want one tool for monitoring. Or

Re: machine monitoring packages

2003-02-14 Thread Christian Hammers
On Thu, Feb 13, 2003 at 04:18:56PM -0500, George Georgalis wrote: * a local watchdog shell script that is called by cron minutely and that - checks ps cax if every process is there else it restarts it I've seen services fail to work while they are still in the ps tree. Speaking from

Re: machine monitoring packages

2003-02-14 Thread Dariush Pietrzak
of the data that you will want. RRDs do not expand once they are created, so once it wraps and starts to overwrite old data, it is lost. Well, that's the idea behind rrd, and I don't like it. You don't overwrite your security logs, why would you like to overwrite this data? Actually I believe

Re: machine monitoring packages

2003-02-14 Thread Jeremy T. Bouse
Not sure what problems you're having with Nagios but my office was originally using Big Brother which the previous admin regime had installed before being handed over to our department to manage. Our team found BB to be a complete and utter pain in the ass so we removed it and replaced it

Re: machine monitoring packages

2003-02-14 Thread Noah L. Meyerhans
On Fri, Feb 14, 2003 at 05:00:42PM +0100, Dariush Pietrzak wrote: It's great. But there is no alternative. And there should be. That's because there doesn't need to be an alternative. Rrdtool is a specialized application to fill a niche. Any old database will work in situation where you are

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Re: machine monitoring packages

2003-02-14 Thread Glen Mehn
Dariush Pietrzak wrote: ( for example - when monitoring services, the tools notices states up/down/lagged. Good. But why won't it save the data that it gathers and display this as graph? And archive the data so that one can analyze it. nagios does this, if you configure it. There are also

Re: machine monitoring packages

2003-02-14 Thread Marcin Owsiany
On Fri, Feb 14, 2003 at 05:00:42PM +0100, Dariush Pietrzak wrote: Goes like this: what is some tool and plot graphs... Why it's mrtg/rrdtool. It's great. But there is no alternative. And there should be. What's wrong with gnuplot? This is getting so off-topic... Marcin -- Marcin

Re: machine monitoring packages

2003-02-14 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Fri, Feb 14, 2003 at 11:19:04AM -0500, George Georgalis wrote: On Fri, Feb 14, 2003 at 10:15:16AM -0500, Matt Zimmerman wrote: Of course you can, as long as you set up your RRDs at the start to hold all of the data that you will want. RRDs do not expand once they are created, so once it

Re: machine monitoring packages

2003-02-14 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Fri, Feb 14, 2003 at 05:00:42PM +0100, Dariush Pietrzak wrote: of the data that you will want. RRDs do not expand once they are created, so once it wraps and starts to overwrite old data, it is lost. Well, that's the idea behind rrd, and I don't like it. You don't overwrite your

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Re: machine monitoring packages

2003-02-14 Thread Jeffrey L. Taylor
Quoting Dariush Pietrzak [EMAIL PROTECTED]: of the data that you will want. RRDs do not expand once they are created, so once it wraps and starts to overwrite old data, it is lost. Well, that's the idea behind rrd, and I don't like it. You don't overwrite your security logs, why would you

Re: machine monitoring packages

2003-02-14 Thread Thorsten Giese
Am Freitag, 14. Februar 2003 12:47 schrieb Thorsten Giese: Hello there. I have followed the recent discussion with all the flavours of the different tools. A question came to my mind immediatly: What is the difference between nagios and opennms? A second one: Can one of the tools also

Re: machine monitoring packages

2003-02-14 Thread Dariush Pietrzak
Hello, I believe there is a need for good monitoring tool, and none of existing tools qualify. As it stands now, I am using mix of different tools, quite similiar to each other... ie netsaint, mrtg, smokeping and monit. And add to that syslog with syslog monitoring tools, add ipsec for logging

Re: machine monitoring packages

2003-02-14 Thread Philipp Hetzner
Don't know all the tools u are talking about, but maybe BigBrother (http://bb4.com/) is what u are looking for? Philipp Hetzner Dariush Pietrzak wrote: Hello, I believe there is a need for good monitoring tool, and none of existing tools qualify. As it stands now, I am using mix of

Re: machine monitoring packages

2003-02-14 Thread Dariush Pietrzak
Don't know all the tools u are talking about, but maybe BigBrother (http://bb4.com/) is what u are looking for? Ehm, netsaint,nagios seems way more mature. And I don't intend to replace one of those tools. I want one tool for monitoring. Or maybe two ( monit needs to run as root, wouldn't be

Re: machine monitoring packages

2003-02-14 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Fri, Feb 14, 2003 at 02:53:20PM +0100, Dariush Pietrzak wrote: nice.. but design behind whole mrtg/rrdtool makes them useless in many situations - for example, try comparing trends in two julys from different years.. you can't, can you.. ) Of course you can, as long as you set up your RRDs

Re: machine monitoring packages

2003-02-14 Thread Mike Renfro
On Fri, Feb 14, 2003 at 02:53:20PM +0100, Dariush Pietrzak wrote: If anyone decides to start writing monitoring tool, I'd be happy to join the team. Packages for spong and rrdtool already exist. They might not do everything, but it looks to be a pretty stable base to start from, and there's

Re: machine monitoring packages

2003-02-14 Thread Christian Hammers
On Thu, Feb 13, 2003 at 04:18:56PM -0500, George Georgalis wrote: * a local watchdog shell script that is called by cron minutely and that - checks ps cax if every process is there else it restarts it I've seen services fail to work while they are still in the ps tree. Speaking from

Re: machine monitoring packages

2003-02-14 Thread Duzlevski, Ognen
On Fri, 14 Feb 2003, Dariush Pietrzak wrote: Don't know all the tools u are talking about, but maybe BigBrother (http://bb4.com/) is what u are looking for? Ehm, netsaint,nagios seems way more mature. And I don't intend to replace one of those tools. I want one tool for monitoring. Or

Re: machine monitoring packages

2003-02-14 Thread Dariush Pietrzak
of the data that you will want. RRDs do not expand once they are created, so once it wraps and starts to overwrite old data, it is lost. Well, that's the idea behind rrd, and I don't like it. You don't overwrite your security logs, why would you like to overwrite this data? Actually I believe

Re: machine monitoring packages

2003-02-14 Thread George Georgalis
On Fri, Feb 14, 2003 at 10:15:16AM -0500, Matt Zimmerman wrote: On Fri, Feb 14, 2003 at 02:53:20PM +0100, Dariush Pietrzak wrote: nice.. but design behind whole mrtg/rrdtool makes them useless in many situations - for example, try comparing trends in two julys from different years.. you can't,

Re: machine monitoring packages

2003-02-14 Thread Jeremy T. Bouse
Not sure what problems you're having with Nagios but my office was originally using Big Brother which the previous admin regime had installed before being handed over to our department to manage. Our team found BB to be a complete and utter pain in the ass so we removed it and replaced it

Re: machine monitoring packages

2003-02-14 Thread Noah L. Meyerhans
On Fri, Feb 14, 2003 at 05:00:42PM +0100, Dariush Pietrzak wrote: It's great. But there is no alternative. And there should be. That's because there doesn't need to be an alternative. Rrdtool is a specialized application to fill a niche. Any old database will work in situation where you are

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Re: machine monitoring packages

2003-02-14 Thread Marcin Owsiany
On Fri, Feb 14, 2003 at 05:00:42PM +0100, Dariush Pietrzak wrote: Goes like this: what is some tool and plot graphs... Why it's mrtg/rrdtool. It's great. But there is no alternative. And there should be. What's wrong with gnuplot? This is getting so off-topic... Marcin -- Marcin

Re: machine monitoring packages

2003-02-14 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Fri, Feb 14, 2003 at 11:19:04AM -0500, George Georgalis wrote: On Fri, Feb 14, 2003 at 10:15:16AM -0500, Matt Zimmerman wrote: Of course you can, as long as you set up your RRDs at the start to hold all of the data that you will want. RRDs do not expand once they are created, so once it

Re: machine monitoring packages

2003-02-14 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Fri, Feb 14, 2003 at 05:00:42PM +0100, Dariush Pietrzak wrote: of the data that you will want. RRDs do not expand once they are created, so once it wraps and starts to overwrite old data, it is lost. Well, that's the idea behind rrd, and I don't like it. You don't overwrite your

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Re: machine monitoring packages

2003-02-14 Thread Jeffrey L. Taylor
Quoting Dariush Pietrzak [EMAIL PROTECTED]: of the data that you will want. RRDs do not expand once they are created, so once it wraps and starts to overwrite old data, it is lost. Well, that's the idea behind rrd, and I don't like it. You don't overwrite your security logs, why would you