Re: Security patches

2003-11-30 Thread Russell Coker
On Mon, 1 Dec 2003 07:46, Andreas Barth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > * Russell Coker ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [031130 21:40]: > > On Mon, 1 Dec 2003 05:10, "Milan P. Stanic" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Sun, Nov 30, 2003 at 11:24:43PM +1100, Russell Coker wrote: > > > > It's a pity that the devel

Re: LSM-based systems and debian packages

2003-11-30 Thread Russell Coker
On Mon, 1 Dec 2003 07:43, Andreas Barth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > There will be support in RPM for packages that contain SE Linux policy. > > For Debian such support will come later (if at all) as the plan is to > > centrally manage all policy for free software, and it's not difficult to > >

Re: Security patches

2003-11-30 Thread Russell Coker
On Mon, 1 Dec 2003 07:46, Andreas Barth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > * Russell Coker ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [031130 21:40]: > > On Mon, 1 Dec 2003 05:10, "Milan P. Stanic" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Sun, Nov 30, 2003 at 11:24:43PM +1100, Russell Coker wrote: > > > > It's a pity that the devel

Re: LSM-based systems and debian packages

2003-11-30 Thread Russell Coker
On Mon, 1 Dec 2003 07:43, Andreas Barth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > There will be support in RPM for packages that contain SE Linux policy. > > For Debian such support will come later (if at all) as the plan is to > > centrally manage all policy for free software, and it's not difficult to > >

Re: iptables - inside accessing outside ip and being bounced back inside

2003-11-30 Thread Geoff Crompton
You may find that the internal web server is sending its reply IP packets directly to the internal client, instead of via the firewall. This can occur if the internal client and the internal web server have the same subnet mask. The internal web server sends the packets straight back to the in

Re: iptables - inside accessing outside ip and being bounced back inside

2003-11-30 Thread Geoff Crompton
You may find that the internal web server is sending its reply IP packets directly to the internal client, instead of via the firewall. This can occur if the internal client and the internal web server have the same subnet mask. The internal web server sends the packets straight back to the in

Re: strange reboot on woody

2003-11-30 Thread François TOURDE
Le 12386ième jour après Epoch, Haim Ashkenazi écrivait: > François TOURDE wrote: > >> Le 12386ième jour après Epoch, >> Andrew Pollock écrivait: >> >>> On Sun, Nov 30, 2003 at 12:51:45AM +0200, Haim Ashkenazi wrote: Bernd Eckenfels wrote: > > BTW: i recommend you disable CAD

Re: strange reboot on woody

2003-11-30 Thread François TOURDE
Le 12386ième jour après Epoch, Haim Ashkenazi écrivait: > François TOURDE wrote: > >> Le 12386ième jour après Epoch, >> Andrew Pollock écrivait: >> >>> On Sun, Nov 30, 2003 at 12:51:45AM +0200, Haim Ashkenazi wrote: Bernd Eckenfels wrote: > > BTW: i recommend you disable CAD

Re: strange reboot on woody

2003-11-30 Thread Haim Ashkenazi
François TOURDE wrote: > Le 12386ième jour après Epoch, > Andrew Pollock écrivait: > >> On Sun, Nov 30, 2003 at 12:51:45AM +0200, Haim Ashkenazi wrote: >>> Bernd Eckenfels wrote: >>> >>> > >>> > BTW: i recommend you disable CAD :) >>> I would but that is the only way I can let them safely reboo

Re: strange reboot on woody

2003-11-30 Thread Bernd Eckenfels
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> you wrote: > it returned this: > > runlevel (to lvl 2) 2.4.20-ns-system Wed Nov 26 22:28 - 00:48 (3+02:19) > reboot system boot 2.4.20-ns-system Wed Nov 26 22:28 (3+02:19) > shutdown system down 2.4.20-ns-system Wed Nov 26 22:26 - 00:48 (3+02:21) > runl

Re: strange reboot on woody

2003-11-30 Thread François TOURDE
Le 12386ième jour après Epoch, Andrew Pollock écrivait: > On Sun, Nov 30, 2003 at 12:51:45AM +0200, Haim Ashkenazi wrote: >> Bernd Eckenfels wrote: >> >> > >> > BTW: i recommend you disable CAD :) >> I would but that is the only way I can let them safely reboot the machine >> (If I'll need them

Re: strange reboot on woody

2003-11-30 Thread Haim Ashkenazi
François TOURDE wrote: > Le 12386ième jour après Epoch, > Andrew Pollock écrivait: > >> On Sun, Nov 30, 2003 at 12:51:45AM +0200, Haim Ashkenazi wrote: >>> Bernd Eckenfels wrote: >>> >>> > >>> > BTW: i recommend you disable CAD :) >>> I would but that is the only way I can let them safely reboo

Re: Security patches

2003-11-30 Thread Milan P. Stanic
On Mon, Dec 01, 2003 at 07:23:18AM +1100, Russell Coker wrote: > On Mon, 1 Dec 2003 05:10, "Milan P. Stanic" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Sun, Nov 30, 2003 at 11:24:43PM +1100, Russell Coker wrote: > > > It's a pity that the developers of other security systems didn't get > > > involved, it wo

Re: strange reboot on woody

2003-11-30 Thread Bernd Eckenfels
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> you wrote: > it returned this: > > runlevel (to lvl 2) 2.4.20-ns-system Wed Nov 26 22:28 - 00:48 (3+02:19) > reboot system boot 2.4.20-ns-system Wed Nov 26 22:28 (3+02:19) > shutdown system down 2.4.20-ns-system Wed Nov 26 22:26 - 00:48 (3+02:21) > runl

Re: strange reboot on woody

2003-11-30 Thread François TOURDE
Le 12386ième jour après Epoch, Andrew Pollock écrivait: > On Sun, Nov 30, 2003 at 12:51:45AM +0200, Haim Ashkenazi wrote: >> Bernd Eckenfels wrote: >> >> > >> > BTW: i recommend you disable CAD :) >> I would but that is the only way I can let them safely reboot the machine >> (If I'll need them

Re: Security patches

2003-11-30 Thread Andreas Barth
* Russell Coker ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [031130 21:40]: > On Mon, 1 Dec 2003 05:10, "Milan P. Stanic" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Sun, Nov 30, 2003 at 11:24:43PM +1100, Russell Coker wrote: > > > It's a pity that the developers of other security systems didn't get > > > involved, it would be good

Re: LSM-based systems and debian packages

2003-11-30 Thread Andreas Barth
Hi, thanks for your fast reply. Just a few more questions: * Russell Coker ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [031130 21:10]: > On Mon, 1 Dec 2003 04:27, Andreas Barth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Is it possible for me as a package maintainer to specifiy the needed > > rights for "my" programms in a way that

Re: Security patches

2003-11-30 Thread Milan P. Stanic
On Mon, Dec 01, 2003 at 07:23:18AM +1100, Russell Coker wrote: > On Mon, 1 Dec 2003 05:10, "Milan P. Stanic" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Sun, Nov 30, 2003 at 11:24:43PM +1100, Russell Coker wrote: > > > It's a pity that the developers of other security systems didn't get > > > involved, it wo

Re: Security patches

2003-11-30 Thread Russell Coker
On Mon, 1 Dec 2003 05:10, "Milan P. Stanic" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, Nov 30, 2003 at 11:24:43PM +1100, Russell Coker wrote: > > It's a pity that the developers of other security systems didn't get > > involved, it would be good to have a choice of LIDS, HP's system, DTE, > > and others

Re: Security patches

2003-11-30 Thread Andreas Barth
* Russell Coker ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [031130 21:40]: > On Mon, 1 Dec 2003 05:10, "Milan P. Stanic" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Sun, Nov 30, 2003 at 11:24:43PM +1100, Russell Coker wrote: > > > It's a pity that the developers of other security systems didn't get > > > involved, it would be good

Re: LSM-based systems and debian packages

2003-11-30 Thread Russell Coker
On Mon, 1 Dec 2003 04:27, Andreas Barth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Is it possible for me as a package maintainer to specifiy the needed > rights for "my" programms in a way that as much systems as possible > can use these without the need for a sysadmin to change anything? Or > would each LSM-bas

Re: LSM-based systems and debian packages

2003-11-30 Thread Andreas Barth
Hi, thanks for your fast reply. Just a few more questions: * Russell Coker ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [031130 21:10]: > On Mon, 1 Dec 2003 04:27, Andreas Barth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Is it possible for me as a package maintainer to specifiy the needed > > rights for "my" programms in a way that

Re: Security patches

2003-11-30 Thread Russell Coker
On Mon, 1 Dec 2003 05:10, "Milan P. Stanic" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, Nov 30, 2003 at 11:24:43PM +1100, Russell Coker wrote: > > It's a pity that the developers of other security systems didn't get > > involved, it would be good to have a choice of LIDS, HP's system, DTE, > > and others

Re: LSM-based systems and debian packages

2003-11-30 Thread Russell Coker
On Mon, 1 Dec 2003 04:27, Andreas Barth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Is it possible for me as a package maintainer to specifiy the needed > rights for "my" programms in a way that as much systems as possible > can use these without the need for a sysadmin to change anything? Or > would each LSM-bas

Re: Time for apt-secure?

2003-11-30 Thread Michael Stone
On Fri, Nov 28, 2003 at 11:10:56AM +0200, Camillo Särs wrote: Yes, I did note that "there are many wrinkles to iron out". That's not the point I am trying to make. I don't think anyone would be foolish enough to think apt-secure provides "total security". What would be foolish is thinking th

Re: Security patches

2003-11-30 Thread Milan P. Stanic
On Sun, Nov 30, 2003 at 11:24:43PM +1100, Russell Coker wrote: > It's a pity that the developers of other security systems didn't get > involved, it would be good to have a choice of LIDS, HP's system, DTE, and > others in the standard kernel. LIDS uses LSM in 2.5/2.6 kernel series, IIRC.

LSM-based systems and debian packages

2003-11-30 Thread Andreas Barth
Hi, well, if this mail seems to be silly for persons with good knowledge of LSM-based systems, I'm sorry. But I can't give me the answers myself, so I'm asking here. The last time (and especially the last days) have IMHO shown that it would be good for any Linux machine to run with more security

Re: Time for apt-secure?

2003-11-30 Thread Michael Stone
On Fri, Nov 28, 2003 at 11:10:56AM +0200, Camillo Särs wrote: Yes, I did note that "there are many wrinkles to iron out". That's not the point I am trying to make. I don't think anyone would be foolish enough to think apt-secure provides "total security". What would be foolish is thinking that

Re: Security patches

2003-11-30 Thread Milan P. Stanic
On Sun, Nov 30, 2003 at 11:24:43PM +1100, Russell Coker wrote: > It's a pity that the developers of other security systems didn't get > involved, it would be good to have a choice of LIDS, HP's system, DTE, and > others in the standard kernel. LIDS uses LSM in 2.5/2.6 kernel series, IIRC. --

LSM-based systems and debian packages

2003-11-30 Thread Andreas Barth
Hi, well, if this mail seems to be silly for persons with good knowledge of LSM-based systems, I'm sorry. But I can't give me the answers myself, so I'm asking here. The last time (and especially the last days) have IMHO shown that it would be good for any Linux machine to run with more security

Re: Firewall script

2003-11-30 Thread HdV
On Sat, 29 Nov 2003, Luc MAIGNAN wrote: > I need to configure a IPTABLES-based Linux-Box with a Woody installed. Has > anyone a example of a such script to help me ? Hi Luc, You might find my page on setting up iptables helpful. You can find it at http://huizen.dto.tudelft.nl/devries/security/i

Re: Firewall script

2003-11-30 Thread HdV
On Sat, 29 Nov 2003, Luc MAIGNAN wrote: > I need to configure a IPTABLES-based Linux-Box with a Woody installed. Has > anyone a example of a such script to help me ? Hi Luc, You might find my page on setting up iptables helpful. You can find it at http://huizen.dto.tudelft.nl/devries/security/i

Re: Security patches

2003-11-30 Thread Russell Coker
On Sun, 30 Nov 2003 22:33, Martin Pitt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 2003-11-29 21:08 +1100, Russell Coker wrote: > > It's not a question of how difficult it is to get the grsec patch to > > apply and work correctly on a Debian kernel. It's a question of whether > > anyone is prepared to do it.

Re: Security patches

2003-11-30 Thread Martin Pitt
Hi together! On 2003-11-29 21:08 +1100, Russell Coker wrote: > It's not a question of how difficult it is to get the grsec patch to apply > and > work correctly on a Debian kernel. It's a question of whether anyone is > prepared to do it. If using a Debian-patched kernel is a requirement th

Re: Security patches

2003-11-30 Thread Russell Coker
On Sun, 30 Nov 2003 22:33, Martin Pitt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 2003-11-29 21:08 +1100, Russell Coker wrote: > > It's not a question of how difficult it is to get the grsec patch to > > apply and work correctly on a Debian kernel. It's a question of whether > > anyone is prepared to do it.

Re: Security patches

2003-11-30 Thread Martin Pitt
Hi together! On 2003-11-29 21:08 +1100, Russell Coker wrote: > It's not a question of how difficult it is to get the grsec patch to apply and > work correctly on a Debian kernel. It's a question of whether anyone is > prepared to do it. If using a Debian-patched kernel is a requirement then

Re: passwd character limitations

2003-11-30 Thread Hans Spaans
On Sunday 30 November 2003 06:42, Andrew Pollock wrote: > Hello, > > I've always avoided the # character, because I read in a book way > back when I first got into Unix that you shouldn't use this > character. Recently, a friend had issues logging in via KDM using a > password with a # in it, that

Re: passwd character limitations

2003-11-30 Thread Hans Spaans
On Sunday 30 November 2003 06:42, Andrew Pollock wrote: > Hello, > > I've always avoided the # character, because I read in a book way > back when I first got into Unix that you shouldn't use this > character. Recently, a friend had issues logging in via KDM using a > password with a # in it, that

Re: strange reboot on woody

2003-11-30 Thread Andrew Pollock
On Sun, Nov 30, 2003 at 12:51:45AM +0200, Haim Ashkenazi wrote: > Bernd Eckenfels wrote: > > > > > BTW: i recommend you disable CAD :) > I would but that is the only way I can let them safely reboot the machine > (If I'll need them to) without giving the root password (although I know > that it o