Re: Fwd: Fwd: question regarding verification of a debian installation iso

2011-01-03 Thread Eduardo M KALINOWSKI
On Seg, 03 Jan 2011, Naja Melan wrote: Currently I'm installing fedora, because it seems that that is as good as it gets with https. Their site is very neat and informative in verifying their downloads, it all comes over certified https even extra tools like the liveusb-creator. This gives me at

Re: Fwd: Fwd: question regarding verification of a debian installation iso

2011-01-03 Thread Eduardo M KALINOWSKI
On Dom, 02 Jan 2011, Naja Melan wrote: 1. Probably the safest thing to do is buy a mac or windows cd in the shop, although there is (for me) no way of knowing how safe that really is. Do you trust the store? How do you know the store installed the pristine copy of Windows or Mac OS, and not

Re: Fwd: Fwd: question regarding verification of a debian installation iso

2011-01-03 Thread Eduardo M KALINOWSKI
On Seg, 03 Jan 2011, Eduardo M KALINOWSKI wrote: 2. Some linux distro's I see now do have certified https, like fedora which puts gpg fingerprints (SHA1) of their public keys on their certified website. 3. Other distros have md5 hashes over certified https, like ubuntu. (virtually a shared

Starting point for contributing to debian-security

2011-01-03 Thread Yves-Alexis Perez
On mar., 2010-12-21 at 22:52 +0100, Yves-Alexis Perez wrote: Starting january, I think I'll be able to dedicate some time to debian security team. Ok, so we're now at beginning of january :) Is there any starting specific point on which help/time would be needed? I know a “call for help” is

Starting point for contributing to debian-security

2011-01-03 Thread Yves-Alexis Perez
On mar., 2010-12-21 at 22:52 +0100, Yves-Alexis Perez wrote: Starting january, I think I'll be able to dedicate some time to debian security team. Ok, so we're now at beginning of january :) Is there any starting specific point on which help/time would be needed? I know a “call for help” is

Re: Fwd: Fwd: question regarding verification of a debian installation iso

2011-01-03 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Mon, Jan 03, 2011 at 03:42:42AM +0100, Naja Melan wrote: You've downloaded a bunch of certificates that came with your web browser. Why do you trust them? As I pointed out above there are many problems associated with https. Trusting the root certificates is one of those. Still the

Re: Fwd: Fwd: question regarding verification of a debian installation iso

2011-01-03 Thread Ben Pfaff
Eduardo M KALINOWSKI edua...@kalinowski.com.br writes: How much do you trust your USB drive? It could have a malicious controller that detects when the correct Fedora files are written to it, and replaces with hacked copies. And when you try to verify the copy, it detects this and returns the

Re: Fwd: Fwd: question regarding verification of a debian installation iso

2011-01-03 Thread Robert Tomsick
On Mon, 2011-01-03 at 08:19 -0800, Ben Pfaff wrote: Eduardo M KALINOWSKI edua...@kalinowski.com.br writes: How much do you trust your USB drive? It could have a malicious controller that detects when the correct Fedora files are written to it, and replaces with hacked copies. And when you

Re: Fwd: Fwd: question regarding verification of a debian installation iso

2011-01-03 Thread Naja Melan
I have very limited trust in the CAs. So do I. It is actually not the point. Either we consider them useless, in which case we should refuse to use them and oppose them because they provide a false sense of security. We should then think of alternatives. If we consider them still a bit more

Re: Fwd: Fwd: question regarding verification of a debian installation iso

2011-01-03 Thread Paul Hosking
On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 5:24 PM, Naja Melan najame...@gmail.com wrote: If we want to seriously speak of security, than we might conceive that at an operating system level, amongst many other things, the issue of getting it from the developer to the user without it being tampered with on the way

Re: Starting point for contributing to debian-security

2011-01-03 Thread Stefan Fritsch
On Monday 03 January 2011, Yves-Alexis Perez wrote: On mar., 2010-12-21 at 22:52 +0100, Yves-Alexis Perez wrote: Starting january, I think I'll be able to dedicate some time to debian security team. Very nice. Ok, so we're now at beginning of january :) Is there any starting specific

Re: Starting point for contributing to debian-security

2011-01-03 Thread Michael Gilbert
On Mon, 03 Jan 2011 15:05:43 +0100, Yves-Alexis Perez wrote: On mar., 2010-12-21 at 22:52 +0100, Yves-Alexis Perez wrote: Starting january, I think I'll be able to dedicate some time to debian security team. Ok, so we're now at beginning of january :) Is there any starting specific

Re: Starting point for contributing to debian-security

2011-01-03 Thread Yves-Alexis Perez
On lun., 2011-01-03 at 16:24 -0500, Michael Gilbert wrote: Also, it would be useful to try to start adopting some of the additional features applied in Ubuntu [1] but not in Debian. The hardest part there is going to be convincing the gcc maintainers to deviate from upstream defaults. Not

Fwd: Fwd: Fwd: question regarding verification of a debian installation iso

2011-01-03 Thread Naja Melan
-- Forwarded message -- From: Robert Tomsick rob...@tomsick.net Date: Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 7:52 PM Subject: Re: Fwd: Fwd: question regarding verification of a debian installation iso To: Naja Melan najame...@gmail.com On Mon, 2011-01-03 at 19:23 +0100, Naja Melan wrote: If the

Re: Fwd: Fwd: question regarding verification of a debian installation iso

2011-01-03 Thread Naja Melan
Thanks for taking this subject serious. HTTPS is going to make it harder for man-in-the-middle shenanigans, but that is only part of the path from the developer to the user. One also has to consider whether the project's servers have been tampered with - which tends to be the much more

Fwd: Fwd: Fwd: question regarding verification of a debian installation iso

2011-01-03 Thread Naja Melan
sorry if this is a double post, but i got some mailer-deamon writing to me... and I think the original did not go to the list. -- Forwarded message -- From: Robert Tomsick rob...@tomsick.net Date: Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 7:52 PM Subject: Re: Fwd: Fwd: question regarding verification

Re: Fwd: Fwd: question regarding verification of a debian installation iso

2011-01-03 Thread Naja Melan
sorry if this is a double post, but i got some mailer-deamon writing to me... and I think the original did not go to the list. -- Forwarded message -- From: Robert Tomsick rob...@tomsick.net Date: Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 7:52 PM - Hide quoted text - Subject: Re: Fwd: Fwd: question