Re: Odp.: [SECURITY] [DSA 2315-1] openoffice.org security update

2011-10-05 Thread Czarek Wysocki
W dniu 6 października 2011 00:24 użytkownik Piotr Drozdek napisał: > Dnia 2011-10-05, o godz. 15:35:39 > "Czarek Wysocki" napisał(a): > > >Y. > > http://netykieta.pl/ > Zapoznaj się. > Zapoznałem. Kiedy test sprawdzający? ;> > > Wysłano z BlackBerry(R) w Orange > > Łał. A mash fotke? > W dz

Re: Debian LTS?

2011-10-05 Thread Erwan David
On 06/10/11 00:13, Sythos wrote: > On Wed, 05 Oct 2011 19:13:33 +0200 > wer...@aloah-from-hell.de wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> a Debian LTS-Version would be so welcome and is definitly >> something that's missing for Debian. >> > > in 18 years Debian released 6 "stable", an avarage of 3 years be

Re: Debian LTS?

2011-10-05 Thread Noah Meyerhans
On Thu, Oct 06, 2011 at 12:47:09AM +0200, Poison Bit wrote: > >> You can migrate data between service versions or environments, have > >> rollbacks, backups and etc. > > > > Across a fleet of 15000 hosts?  With no downtime?  Without impacting the > > schedule of whatever software you actually run o

Re: Debian LTS?

2011-10-05 Thread Jordon Bedwell
On 10/05/2011 05:39 PM, Poison Bit wrote: > On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 12:33 AM, Poison Bit wrote: > >> In my experience: if a company does not perform operative system >> upgrades, the company does not have more than 5 years and does not >> understand how open source, and in special linux kernel, wo

Re: Debian LTS?

2011-10-05 Thread Noah Meyerhans
On Wed, Oct 05, 2011 at 03:20:08PM -0700, Noah Meyerhans wrote: > Debian's goal is to have an 18 month release cycle. stable becomes > oldstable when the next version is released, and oldstable is supported > for 1 year. That's 28 months. Where do you get the idea of 3 years of > direct support

Re: Debian LTS?

2011-10-05 Thread Noah Meyerhans
On Thu, Oct 06, 2011 at 12:15:45AM +0200, Sythos wrote: > > And that's 2 years less for LTS ... especially in bigger Setup's > > LTS-Support is mandatory so there (because there is no Debian LTS's) > > Debian cannot be used due to the lack of Support. Instead - Redhat > > or Ubuntu or any other dis

Re: Debian LTS?

2011-10-05 Thread Poison Bit
On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 12:40 AM, Noah Meyerhans wrote: > On Thu, Oct 06, 2011 at 12:33:39AM +0200, Poison Bit wrote: >> In my experience: if a company does not perform operative system >> upgrades, the company does not have more than 5 years and does not >> understand how open source, and in speci

Re: Debian LTS?

2011-10-05 Thread Sythos
On Wed, 05 Oct 2011 19:13:33 +0200 wer...@aloah-from-hell.de wrote: > Hi all, > > a Debian LTS-Version would be so welcome and is definitly > something that's missing for Debian. > in 18 years Debian released 6 "stable", an avarage of 3 years between a stable and the next one, i think is al

Re: Debian LTS?

2011-10-05 Thread Noah Meyerhans
On Thu, Oct 06, 2011 at 12:33:39AM +0200, Poison Bit wrote: > In my experience: if a company does not perform operative system > upgrades, the company does not have more than 5 years and does not > understand how open source, and in special linux kernel, works. I'm certain I can name several large

Re: Debian LTS?

2011-10-05 Thread Poison Bit
On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 12:33 AM, Poison Bit wrote: > In my experience: if a company does not perform operative system > upgrades, the company does not have more than 5 years and does not > understand how open source, and in special linux kernel, works. Or has management issues, but that's anothe

Re: Debian LTS?

2011-10-05 Thread Poison Bit
On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 12:24 AM, Noah Meyerhans wrote: > On Wed, Oct 05, 2011 at 09:15:18PM +0100, Bart Swedrowski wrote: >> I have been "forced" to use switch from Debian to RedHat and clones >> in my last job specifically because usual life time of a server was >> 3.5 - 4 years. > > Same here. I

Re: Odp.: [SECURITY] [DSA 2315-1] openoffice.org security update

2011-10-05 Thread Piotr Drozdek
Dnia 2011-10-05, o godz. 15:35:39 "Czarek Wysocki" napisał(a): >Y. http://netykieta.pl/ Zapoznaj się. > Wysłano z BlackBerry® w Orange Łał. A mash fotke? BP,NMSP. -- Regards, Piotr Drozdek -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-security-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscri

Re: Debian LTS?

2011-10-05 Thread Noah Meyerhans
On Wed, Oct 05, 2011 at 09:15:18PM +0100, Bart Swedrowski wrote: > I have been "forced" to use switch from Debian to RedHat and clones > in my last job specifically because usual life time of a server was > 3.5 - 4 years. Same here. In my exerience, large sites typically use a 3-5 year lifetime fo

Re: Debian LTS?

2011-10-05 Thread Sythos
On Wed, 05 Oct 2011 21:07:07 +0200 wer...@aloah-from-hell.de wrote: > And that's 2 years less for LTS ... especially in bigger Setup's > LTS-Support is mandatory so there (because there is no Debian LTS's) > Debian cannot be used due to the lack of Support. Instead - Redhat > or Ubuntu or any othe

Re: Debian LTS?

2011-10-05 Thread Poison Bit
On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 10:45 PM, wrote: > Yes. Are you considering Total Cost of Ownership, comparing to the option of > LTS? > > Best regards. So Debian should have rolling releases, LTS with that name, and network manager by default, and as there are no bugs to work on, and Debian as upstream

Re: [SECURITY] [DSA 2315-1] openoffice.org security update

2011-10-05 Thread Rene Engelhard
On Wed, Oct 05, 2011 at 02:51:03PM -0500, Chris Swenson wrote: >I assume this would include LibreOffice? Yes, actually the > For the testing distribution (wheezy), and the unstable distribution > (sid), > this problem will be fixed soon. is wrong and should read "For the test

Re: Debian LTS?

2011-10-05 Thread acottag
Yes. Are you considering Total Cost of Ownership, comparing to the option of LTS? Best regards. On 05/10/11 21:02, Brivaldo Junior wrote: Hi, IIRC, the current release schedule has stable releases 2 years apart, so total maintenance time is 2 years (stable) + 1 year (oldstable) = 3 years.

Re: Debian LTS?

2011-10-05 Thread Bart Swedrowski
On 05/10/2011 21:02, Brivaldo Junior wrote: Maybe for you... in one bigger setup here... we use Debian and plan updates every 2/3 years without problems. Yes, but having release supported for 5 years would not hurt you then and would help other people for whom whether distro has 5 years suppor

Re: [SECURITY] [DSA 2315-1] openoffice.org security update

2011-10-05 Thread Chris Swenson
I assume this would include LibreOffice? – Chris On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 9:14 AM, Giuseppe Iuculano wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > - - > Debian Security Advisory DSA-2315-1 s

Re: Debian LTS?

2011-10-05 Thread Brivaldo Junior
> Hi, > >> IIRC, the current release schedule has stable releases 2 years apart, so >> total maintenance time is 2 years (stable) + 1 year (oldstable) = 3 years. > > And that's 2 years less for LTS ... especially in bigger Setup's > LTS-Support is mandatory so there (because there is no Debian LTS

Re: Debian LTS?

2011-10-05 Thread werner
Hi, > IIRC, the current release schedule has stable releases 2 years apart, so > total maintenance time is 2 years (stable) + 1 year (oldstable) = 3 years. And that's 2 years less for LTS ... especially in bigger Setup's LTS-Support is mandatory so there (because there is no Debian LTS's) Debian

Re: Debian LTS?

2011-10-05 Thread Dominic Hargreaves
On Wed, Oct 05, 2011 at 07:58:47PM +0200, Erwan David wrote: > On 05/10/11 19:13, wer...@aloah-from-hell.de wrote: > > a Debian LTS-Version would be so welcome and is definitly something > > that's > > missing for Debian. > Isn't it called "stable" ? In the context, LTS means a longer suppo

Re: Debian LTS?

2011-10-05 Thread Ryan Hiebert
> Isn't it called "stable" ? I was thinking that too, but reading the link, it seems that the idea for LTS is 5 years. Currently a distribution is supported while it is stable, plus the time the security team will support it in oldstable before it is archived. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOldSt

Re: Debian LTS?

2011-10-05 Thread Erwan David
On 05/10/11 19:13, wer...@aloah-from-hell.de wrote: > Hi all, > > a Debian LTS-Version would be so welcome and is definitly something that's > missing for Debian. > > best, > Werner Isn't it called "stable" ? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-security-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subj

Re: Debian LTS?

2011-10-05 Thread werner
Hi all, a Debian LTS-Version would be so welcome and is definitly something that's missing for Debian. best, Werner Am 04.10.11 12:59, schrieb Dominic Hargreaves: > Hi all, > > I recall coming across the proposal/discussion in > >

Odp.: [SECURITY] [DSA 2315-1] openoffice.org security update

2011-10-05 Thread Czarek Wysocki
Y. Wysłano z BlackBerry® w Orange -Original Message- From: Giuseppe Iuculano Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 16:14:50 To: Reply-To: debian-security@lists.debian.org Subject: [SECURITY] [DSA 2315-1] openoffice.org security update -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 -