On Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 11:12:11PM -0600, Hubert Chan wrote:
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> > "Peter" == Peter Cordes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
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> Peter> It is secure when you have put the public key on the remote
> Peter> machine already. SSH is only vulnerable to
On Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 11:12:11PM -0600, Hubert Chan wrote:
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> > "Peter" == Peter Cordes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
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> Peter> It is secure when you have put the public key on the remote
> Peter> machine already. SSH is only vulnerable to
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Peter> It is secure when you have put the public key on the remote
Peter> machine already. SSH is only vulnerable to man-in-the-middle when
Peter> you first connect to a host, and accept the h
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Peter> machine already. SSH is only vulnerable to man-in-the-middle when
Peter> you first connect to a host, and accept the
On Thu, Aug 23, 2001 at 03:08:51PM +0200, Samu wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 23, 2001 at 06:13:04PM +1000, Sam Couter wrote:
> > Philipp Schulte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > You should never be too lazy to log in as a user and su to root.
> >
> > su to root: 8 character password.
> > ssh direct
On Thu, Aug 23, 2001 at 03:08:51PM +0200, Samu wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 23, 2001 at 06:13:04PM +1000, Sam Couter wrote:
> > Philipp Schulte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > You should never be too lazy to log in as a user and su to root.
> >
> > su to root: 8 character password.
> > ssh directl
At Thu, 23 Aug 2001 17:18, Curt Howland wrote:
>One point: All the Windows scp clients I've tried so far are password based,
>and my server allows only RSA key access, so they don't work.
Take a look at Secure-iXplorer http://www.i-tree.org/ixplorer.htm
It's a front end for the Secure Shell (SSH)
At Thu, 23 Aug 2001 17:18, Curt Howland wrote:
>One point: All the Windows scp clients I've tried so far are password based,
>and my server allows only RSA key access, so they don't work.
Take a look at Secure-iXplorer http://www.i-tree.org/ixplorer.htm
It's a front end for the Secure Shell (SS
On Thu, Aug 23, 2001 at 08:18:58AM -1000, Joseph Dane wrote:
> > "Alexander" == Alexander List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> Alexander> You might also consider the tip posted before to use rsync
> Alexander> (rsync -e ssh) to transfer entire directory structures,
>
> or, since ssh will re
> "Alexander" == Alexander List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Alexander> You might also consider the tip posted before to use rsync
Alexander> (rsync -e ssh) to transfer entire directory structures,
or, since ssh will read from stdin, you can alter the old tar|tar
trick to copy a directory tr
Yeah.. try using "scp". It should come along with ssh.
At 02:13 PM 8/23/2001 +0900, Curt Howland wrote:
I've just made the change from a windows to Debian user machine, I've been
running a Debian server for years.
One of the features of the windows software that I liked was zmodem file
transf
On Thu, Aug 23, 2001 at 08:18:58AM -1000, Joseph Dane wrote:
> > "Alexander" == Alexander List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> Alexander> You might also consider the tip posted before to use rsync
> Alexander> (rsync -e ssh) to transfer entire directory structures,
>
> or, since ssh will r
> "Alexander" == Alexander List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Alexander> You might also consider the tip posted before to use rsync
Alexander> (rsync -e ssh) to transfer entire directory structures,
or, since ssh will read from stdin, you can alter the old tar|tar
trick to copy a directory t
Yeah.. try using "scp". It should come along with ssh.
At 02:13 PM 8/23/2001 +0900, Curt Howland wrote:
>I've just made the change from a windows to Debian user machine, I've been
>running a Debian server for years.
>
>One of the features of the windows software that I liked was zmodem file
>tr
On Thu, Aug 23, 2001 at 06:13:04PM +1000, Sam Couter wrote:
> Philipp Schulte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > You should never be too lazy to log in as a user and su to root.
>
> su to root: 8 character password.
> ssh directly as root: 1024 bit RSA key.
>
> Which one is easiest to crack?
>
On Thu, Aug 23, 2001 at 06:13:04PM +1000, Sam Couter wrote:
> Philipp Schulte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > You should never be too lazy to log in as a user and su to root.
>
> su to root: 8 character password.
> ssh directly as root: 1024 bit RSA key.
>
> Which one is easiest to crack?
>
hi ya
On 23 Aug 2001, Olaf Meeuwissen wrote:
> Sam Couter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > Philipp Schulte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Plus, su doesn't forward X connections.
>
> Real sysadmins don't need X to admin! (duck)
and certainly dont need webmin either...or any other gui.
* Curt Howland ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
>
> One point: All the Windows scp clients I've tried so far are password based,
> and my server allows only RSA key access, so they don't work.
>
One remark. the cygwin tools include ssh, and do support RSA key access.
Also the newer versions of putty i
On Thu, Aug 23, 2001 at 06:13:04PM +1000, Sam Couter wrote:
> Philipp Schulte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > You should never be too lazy to log in as a user and su to root.
>
> su to root: 8 character password.
> ssh directly as root: 1024 bit RSA key.
>
> Which one is easiest to crack?
On Thu, Aug 23, 2001 at 05:14:19PM +0900, Olaf Meeuwissen wrote:
> Philipp Schulte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > You should never be too lazy to log in as a user and su to root.
>
> Better yet, stick `PermitRootLogin no' in /etc/ssh/sshd_config.
Sure, I always setup sshd like this.
Phil
Sam Couter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Philipp Schulte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > You should never be too lazy to log in as a user and su to root.
>
> su to root: 8 character password.
> ssh directly as root: 1024 bit RSA key.
Eh, ssh in as user and su to root is what Phil is talking
curity@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: File transfer using ssh
Philipp Schulte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> You should never be too lazy to log in as a user and su to root.
su to root: 8 character password.
ssh directly as root: 1024 bit RSA key.
Which one is easiest to crack?
I d
Philipp Schulte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Thu, Aug 23, 2001 at 05:08:48PM +1000, Jason Thomas wrote:
>
> > On Thu, Aug 23, 2001 at 09:02:35AM +0200, Jaan Sarv wrote:
> > > root? root?!?!???
> > > ROOT!
> >
> > first of all, example!!
> > secondly, secure shell protocol, secur
Philipp Schulte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> You should never be too lazy to log in as a user and su to root.
su to root: 8 character password.
ssh directly as root: 1024 bit RSA key.
Which one is easiest to crack?
I don't allow telnet logins as root, but I'm quite happy to allow RSA
authenti
On Thu, Aug 23, 2001 at 05:08:48PM +1000, Jason Thomas wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 23, 2001 at 09:02:35AM +0200, Jaan Sarv wrote:
> > root? root?!?!???
> > ROOT!
>
> first of all, example!!
> secondly, secure shell protocol, secure!
That's supposed to be a joke, right?
Just because som
hi ya
On 23 Aug 2001, Olaf Meeuwissen wrote:
> Sam Couter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > Philipp Schulte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Plus, su doesn't forward X connections.
>
> Real sysadmins don't need X to admin! (duck)
and certainly dont need webmin either...or any other gui
On Thu, Aug 23, 2001 at 09:02:35AM +0200, Jaan Sarv wrote:
> root? root?!?!???
> ROOT!
first of all, example!!
secondly, secure shell protocol, secure!
third, sometimes when your lazy you just have too!
>
> Humz.. bad idea, don't ya think?
>
>
> Jaan
>
>
> --
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- Original Message -
From: "Jason Thomas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Curt Howland" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: "'FEJF'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 7:54 AM
Subject: Re: File transfer using ssh
> # copy file
scp will also work for entire directory structures with the -r flag.
But please read the manpage and try to understand it before bothering the
security list. The SYNOPSIS section should be enough for your most urgent
needs ;-)
You might also consider the tip posted before to use rsync (rsync -e s
* Curt Howland ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
>
> One point: All the Windows scp clients I've tried so far are password based,
> and my server allows only RSA key access, so they don't work.
>
One remark. the cygwin tools include ssh, and do support RSA key access.
Also the newer versions of putty
On 22 Aug 2001, Hubert Chan wrote:
> Rob> SSH for some reason ( as some do ), FTP uses two TCP ports, not one
> Rob> : one for control ( commands ) and the other for data.
>
> Unless you use passive mode.
of course ftp uses two channels in passive mode as well
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On Thu, Aug 23, 2001 at 06:13:04PM +1000, Sam Couter wrote:
> Philipp Schulte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > You should never be too lazy to log in as a user and su to root.
>
> su to root: 8 character password.
> ssh directly as root: 1024 bit RSA key.
>
> Which one is easiest to crack?
On Thu, Aug 23, 2001 at 05:14:19PM +0900, Olaf Meeuwissen wrote:
> Philipp Schulte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > You should never be too lazy to log in as a user and su to root.
>
> Better yet, stick `PermitRootLogin no' in /etc/ssh/sshd_config.
Sure, I always setup sshd like this.
Phil
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> "Rob" == Rob Helmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Rob> Hi Curt, It sounds like you want "sftp", which comes with SSHv2 and
Rob> is a passable FTP clone for SSH ( not quite as advanced as say
Rob> ncftp, but decent ).
Or in OpenSSH version 2.5 (or
gt; From: FEJF [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 14:38
> To: Jason Thomas; Curt Howland
> Cc: 'debian-security@lists.debian.org'
> Subject: Re: File transfer using ssh
>
>
> Jason Thomas, on Donnerstag, 23. August 2001 07:29 wrote:
> >
And it works, too.
Arigato gozaimasu, mina-sama.
Dewa mata,
Curt-
-Original Message-
From: Craig Dickson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 14:30
To: 'debian-security@lists.debian.org'
Subject: Re: File transfer using ssh
Curt Howland wrote:
> Is
hi ya
and if you wanna try 'um all out... ( the windoze versions )
http://www.Linux-Consulting.com/Security/ssh.windows.txt
( teraterm and putty works nice and they're free )
c ya
alvin
On Thu, 23 Aug 2001, FEJF wrote:
> Jason Thomas, on Donnerstag, 23. August 2001 07:29 wrot
Sam Couter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Philipp Schulte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > You should never be too lazy to log in as a user and su to root.
>
> su to root: 8 character password.
> ssh directly as root: 1024 bit RSA key.
Eh, ssh in as user and su to root is what Phil is talking
afe as any other way to get into the machine.
The sshd_config file, however, has "root" account disabled.
I guess I'm not entirely a "sheep", ne?
Curt-
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From: Sam Couter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 17:13
To: [EMAIL PR
Philipp Schulte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Thu, Aug 23, 2001 at 05:08:48PM +1000, Jason Thomas wrote:
>
> > On Thu, Aug 23, 2001 at 09:02:35AM +0200, Jaan Sarv wrote:
> > > root? root?!?!???
> > > ROOT!
> >
> > first of all, example!!
> > secondly, secure shell protocol, secu
Philipp Schulte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> You should never be too lazy to log in as a user and su to root.
su to root: 8 character password.
ssh directly as root: 1024 bit RSA key.
Which one is easiest to crack?
I don't allow telnet logins as root, but I'm quite happy to allow RSA
authent
nd
working, and Starcraft installed, and I'll be happy. :^)
Curt-
-Original Message-
From: FEJF [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 14:38
To: Jason Thomas; Curt Howland
Cc: 'debian-security@lists.debian.org'
Subject: Re: File transfer using ssh
Jason
Jason Thomas, on Donnerstag, 23. August 2001 07:29 wrote:
> scp
short answer ;) - but as everbody sugests scp there is one thing i miss:
tell Curt Howland where to get a windoze version of scp... ;)
http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/download.html
fejf
> On Thu, Aug 23, 2001 at 02
Curt Howland wrote:
> Is there a file transfer method for utilizing ssh?
It's called 'scp' -- secure cp. You don't even need an ssh session up to
use it:
scp file [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/path
will copy a file to /path on the machine site, using the specified user
account. You will be prompted for
scp
On Thu, Aug 23, 2001 at 02:13:47PM +0900, Curt Howland wrote:
> I've just made the change from a windows to Debian user machine, I've been
> running a Debian server for years.
>
> One of the features of the windows software that I liked was zmodem file
> transfer over the ssh link. Since chan
Hi Curt,
It sounds like you want "sftp", which comes with SSHv2 and is
a passable FTP clone for SSH ( not quite as advanced as say
ncftp, but decent ).
Also, you can send inividual files to an SSH server with the
"scp" command.
One last note : keep in mind that if you decide to tunnel FTP over
On Thu, Aug 23, 2001 at 02:13:47PM +0900, Curt Howland wrote:
> Is there a file transfer method for utilizing ssh? I'm sure ftp could be
> tunneled, but for security reasons ftp is turned off. Until now, with
> zmodem, I didn't need it.
Try scp or sftp. They transfer files over ssh using the in
On Thu, Aug 23, 2001 at 05:08:48PM +1000, Jason Thomas wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 23, 2001 at 09:02:35AM +0200, Jaan Sarv wrote:
> > root? root?!?!???
> > ROOT!
>
> first of all, example!!
> secondly, secure shell protocol, secure!
That's supposed to be a joke, right?
Just because so
I've just made the change from a windows to Debian user machine, I've been
running a Debian server for years.
One of the features of the windows software that I liked was zmodem file
transfer over the ssh link. Since changing over to ssh (1.2.3-9.3) from
stable for both server and now client, it d
On Thu, Aug 23, 2001 at 09:02:35AM +0200, Jaan Sarv wrote:
> root? root?!?!???
> ROOT!
first of all, example!!
secondly, secure shell protocol, secure!
third, sometimes when your lazy you just have too!
>
> Humz.. bad idea, don't ya think?
>
>
> Jaan
>
>
> --
> To UNSUBSCRI
- Original Message -
From: "Jason Thomas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Curt Howland" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: "'FEJF'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 7:54 AM
Subject: Re: File transfer u
scp will also work for entire directory structures with the -r flag.
But please read the manpage and try to understand it before bothering the
security list. The SYNOPSIS section should be enough for your most urgent
needs ;-)
You might also consider the tip posted before to use rsync (rsync -e
On 22 Aug 2001, Hubert Chan wrote:
> Rob> SSH for some reason ( as some do ), FTP uses two TCP ports, not one
> Rob> : one for control ( commands ) and the other for data.
>
> Unless you use passive mode.
of course ftp uses two channels in passive mode as well
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> "Rob" == Rob Helmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Rob> Hi Curt, It sounds like you want "sftp", which comes with SSHv2 and
Rob> is a passable FTP clone for SSH ( not quite as advanced as say
Rob> ncftp, but decent ).
Or in OpenSSH version 2.5 (o
t; From: FEJF [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 14:38
> To: Jason Thomas; Curt Howland
> Cc: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
> Subject: Re: File transfer using ssh
>
>
> Jason Thomas, on Donnerstag, 23. August 2001 07:29 wrote:
> > scp
>
> s
And it works, too.
Arigato gozaimasu, mina-sama.
Dewa mata,
Curt-
-Original Message-
From: Craig Dickson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 14:30
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
Subject: Re: File transfer using ssh
Curt Howland wrote:
> Is there a
hi ya
and if you wanna try 'um all out... ( the windoze versions )
http://www.Linux-Consulting.com/Security/ssh.windows.txt
( teraterm and putty works nice and they're free )
c ya
alvin
On Thu, 23 Aug 2001, FEJF wrote:
> Jason Thomas, on Donnerstag, 23. August 2001 07:29 wro
nd
working, and Starcraft installed, and I'll be happy. :^)
Curt-
-Original Message-
From: FEJF [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 14:38
To: Jason Thomas; Curt Howland
Cc: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
Subject: Re: File transfer using ssh
Jason Thomas, on Do
Jason Thomas, on Donnerstag, 23. August 2001 07:29 wrote:
> scp
short answer ;) - but as everbody sugests scp there is one thing i miss:
tell Curt Howland where to get a windoze version of scp... ;)
http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/download.html
fejf
> On Thu, Aug 23, 2001 at 0
Curt Howland wrote:
> Is there a file transfer method for utilizing ssh?
It's called 'scp' -- secure cp. You don't even need an ssh session up to
use it:
scp file user@site:/path
will copy a file to /path on the machine site, using the specified user
account. You will be prompted for a pass
scp
On Thu, Aug 23, 2001 at 02:13:47PM +0900, Curt Howland wrote:
> I've just made the change from a windows to Debian user machine, I've been
> running a Debian server for years.
>
> One of the features of the windows software that I liked was zmodem file
> transfer over the ssh link. Since cha
Hi Curt,
It sounds like you want "sftp", which comes with SSHv2 and is
a passable FTP clone for SSH ( not quite as advanced as say
ncftp, but decent ).
Also, you can send inividual files to an SSH server with the
"scp" command.
One last note : keep in mind that if you decide to tunnel FTP ove
On Thu, Aug 23, 2001 at 02:13:47PM +0900, Curt Howland wrote:
> Is there a file transfer method for utilizing ssh? I'm sure ftp could be
> tunneled, but for security reasons ftp is turned off. Until now, with
> zmodem, I didn't need it.
Try scp or sftp. They transfer files over ssh using the i
I've just made the change from a windows to Debian user machine, I've been
running a Debian server for years.
One of the features of the windows software that I liked was zmodem file
transfer over the ssh link. Since changing over to ssh (1.2.3-9.3) from
stable for both server and now client, it
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