On Wed, 1 Nov 2000 09:12:34 -0500 (EST)
Patrick Maheral <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Isn't there a provision in American (or Canadian) law that allows
> reverse engineering (not disassembling code) for interoperability
> purposes?
Tell that to the DMCA, DeCSS, and the EFF.
--
J C Lawrence
On Wed, 1 Nov 2000 09:12:34 -0500 (EST)
Patrick Maheral <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Isn't there a provision in American (or Canadian) law that allows
> reverse engineering (not disassembling code) for interoperability
> purposes?
Tell that to the DMCA, DeCSS, and the EFF.
--
J C Lawrence
On Thu, Nov 02, 2000 at 07:44:20PM +1100, Paul Haesler wrote:
> Microsoft has never sued Tridge and co. over samba which
> would seem to be a closer analogy - A reverse engineered
> network protocol, as opposed to a cracked encryption
> algorithm.
The protocol wasn't patented. It is supposedly d
On Thu, Nov 02, 2000 at 07:44:20PM +1100, Paul Haesler wrote:
> Microsoft has never sued Tridge and co. over samba which
> would seem to be a closer analogy - A reverse engineered
> network protocol, as opposed to a cracked encryption
> algorithm.
The protocol wasn't patented. It is supposedly
On Thu, 2 Nov 2000, Robert Varga wrote:
>
> Yes, but it is in every aspect similar to what the person who wrote the
> first letter in this thread wants to do or is advised to do, namely to
> reverse-engineer the operation of a working system which is developed only
> for win* and based on proprie
On Thu, 2 Nov 2000, Robert Varga wrote:
>
> Yes, but it is in every aspect similar to what the person who wrote the
> first letter in this thread wants to do or is advised to do, namely to
> reverse-engineer the operation of a working system which is developed only
> for win* and based on propri
Microsoft has never sued Tridge and co. over samba which
would seem to be a closer analogy - A reverse engineered
network protocol, as opposed to a cracked encryption
algorithm.
Mind you, I'm not a lawyer. (Mind you, I don't think anybody else
who has contributed to date is either)
> Yes, but it
Yes, but it is in every aspect similar to what the person who wrote the
first letter in this thread wants to do or is advised to do, namely to
reverse-engineer the operation of a working system which is developed only
for win* and based on proprietary algorithms. That's exactly the same what
the p
Robert,
Keep in mind that case is in appeal, and is quite likely to wind up in the
Supreme Court. It is, in every way I can imagine, a Constitutional case,
and has every reason to be heard by the Supreme Court. I hope the Supreme
Court Justices agree...
Regards,
Alex.
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On Wed, 1 Nov 2000, Patrick Maheral wrote:
> On Wed, 1 Nov 2000, Alexander Hvostov wrote:
> > Penguin,
> >
> > Because the patents and IP on your radio expired a long time ago. The ones
> > on the algorithms haven't. :)
> >
> > Regards,
>
> Isn't there a provision in American (or Canadian) la
Microsoft has never sued Tridge and co. over samba which
would seem to be a closer analogy - A reverse engineered
network protocol, as opposed to a cracked encryption
algorithm.
Mind you, I'm not a lawyer. (Mind you, I don't think anybody else
who has contributed to date is either)
> Yes, but i
Yes, but it is in every aspect similar to what the person who wrote the
first letter in this thread wants to do or is advised to do, namely to
reverse-engineer the operation of a working system which is developed only
for win* and based on proprietary algorithms. That's exactly the same what
the
Robert,
Keep in mind that case is in appeal, and is quite likely to wind up in the
Supreme Court. It is, in every way I can imagine, a Constitutional case,
and has every reason to be heard by the Supreme Court. I hope the Supreme
Court Justices agree...
Regards,
Alex.
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PGP/GPG Fingerprint:
On Wed, 1 Nov 2000, Patrick Maheral wrote:
> On Wed, 1 Nov 2000, Alexander Hvostov wrote:
> > Penguin,
> >
> > Because the patents and IP on your radio expired a long time ago. The ones
> > on the algorithms haven't. :)
> >
> > Regards,
>
> Isn't there a provision in American (or Canadian) l
Patrick Maheral <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Isn't there a provision in American (or Canadian) law that allows reverse
> engineering (not disassembling code) for interoperability purposes?
AFAIK, that only lets you get around trade secrets. By definition, patents are
public knowledge, but the p
On Wed, Nov 01, 2000 at 12:43:26AM -0800, Penguin wrote:
> Never Mind guys.
>
> It is damn license.
>
> Thanks a lot for some of you guys who replied to me.
just a suggestion: you said the algorithm to authenticate i proprietary
so they cannot give you sources, but it doesn't mean you canno
Patrick Maheral <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Isn't there a provision in American (or Canadian) law that allows reverse
> engineering (not disassembling code) for interoperability purposes?
AFAIK, that only lets you get around trade secrets. By definition, patents are
public knowledge, but the
On Wed, Nov 01, 2000 at 12:43:26AM -0800, Penguin wrote:
> Never Mind guys.
>
> It is damn license.
>
> Thanks a lot for some of you guys who replied to me.
just a suggestion: you said the algorithm to authenticate i proprietary
so they cannot give you sources, but it doesn't mean you cann
On Wed, 1 Nov 2000, Alexander Hvostov wrote:
> Penguin,
>
> Because the patents and IP on your radio expired a long time ago. The ones
> on the algorithms haven't. :)
>
> Regards,
Isn't there a provision in American (or Canadian) law that allows reverse
engineering (not disassembling code) for i
On Wed, 1 Nov 2000, Alexander Hvostov wrote:
> Penguin,
>
> Because the patents and IP on your radio expired a long time ago. The ones
> on the algorithms haven't. :)
>
> Regards,
Isn't there a provision in American (or Canadian) law that allows reverse
engineering (not disassembling code) for
Penguin,
Because the patents and IP on your radio expired a long time ago. The ones
on the algorithms haven't. :)
Regards,
Alex.
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Never Mind guys.
It is damn license.
Thanks a lot for some of you guys who replied to
me.
P.S.
Haven't you ever open FM radio to know how
it works?
That's weird that I haven't been sued for
it.
Then why I am going to be sued for opening that
On Tue, Oct 31, 2000 at 11:52:51PM -0800, Penguin wrote:
> Hey, Guys.
>
> I am using definitely Debian on my laptop.
>
> I wanted to use it in library since they installed ethernet in the library.
>
> But I had one problem - "The authentication client" which works only on
> windows machine.
>
Penguin,
I hope you know assembly and don't mind being sued...
In other words, it's impossible, for legal reasons. The owners of those
proprietary algorithms are highly unlikely to think twice about putting
you on the street.
Regards,
Alex.
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EFD1 AC6C 7ED5 E453 C367
Hey, Guys.
I am using definitely Debian on my
laptop.
I wanted to use it in library since they installed
ethernet in the library.
But I had one problem - "The authentication client"
which works only on windows machine.
I was upset that I have to reboot my laptop only
for internet. I
Penguin,
Because the patents and IP on your radio expired a long time ago. The ones
on the algorithms haven't. :)
Regards,
Alex.
---
PGP/GPG Fingerprint:
EFD1 AC6C 7ED5 E453 C367 AC7A B474 16E0 758D 7ED9
-BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK-
Version: 3.12
GCS/CM>CC/IT d- s:+ a16 C++()>$ UL++
Never Mind guys.
It is damn license.
Thanks a lot for some of you guys who replied to
me.
P.S.
Haven't you ever open FM radio to know how
it works?
That's weird that I haven't been sued for
it.
Then why I am going to be sued for opening that
On Tue, Oct 31, 2000 at 11:52:51PM -0800, Penguin wrote:
> Hey, Guys.
>
> I am using definitely Debian on my laptop.
>
> I wanted to use it in library since they installed ethernet in the library.
>
> But I had one problem - "The authentication client" which works only on windows
>machine.
>
Penguin,
I hope you know assembly and don't mind being sued...
In other words, it's impossible, for legal reasons. The owners of those
proprietary algorithms are highly unlikely to think twice about putting
you on the street.
Regards,
Alex.
---
PGP/GPG Fingerprint:
EFD1 AC6C 7ED5 E453 C367
Hey, Guys.
I am using definitely Debian on my
laptop.
I wanted to use it in library since they installed
ethernet in the library.
But I had one problem - "The authentication client"
which works only on windows machine.
I was upset that I have to reboot my laptop only
for internet. I
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