Re: goals for hardening Debian: ideas and help wanted

2014-06-08 Thread Xavier Roche
Hi Paul, On Sun, Jun 08, 2014 at 10:13:27AM +0800, Paul Wise wrote: We kind-of already support that; Debian Live is essentially that. What would official support for read-only root look like to you? Option in the installer? Probably fix the last bits of details that makes a read-only install

Re: goals for hardening Debian: ideas and help wanted

2014-06-07 Thread Xavier Roche
On Thu, Apr 24, 2014 at 10:57:39AM +0800, Paul Wise wrote: I have written a non-exhaustive list of goals for hardening the Debian distribution, the Debian project and computer systems of the Debian project, contributors and users. If you have more ideas, please add them to the wiki page.

Re: goals for hardening Debian: ideas and help wanted

2014-06-07 Thread Paul Wise
On Sat, Jun 7, 2014 at 9:31 PM, Xavier Roche wrote: Would a read-only root filesystem goal be feasible ? We kind-of already support that; Debian Live is essentially that. What would official support for read-only root look like to you? Option in the installer?

Re: goals for hardening Debian: ideas and help wanted

2014-06-07 Thread Paul Wise
On Sat, Jun 7, 2014 at 11:07 AM, Tom Dial wrote: I suggest resumption of maintenance for OVAL to support OpenSCAP. www.debian.org/security/oval/ seems not to have been maintained since some time in late 2010 or early 2011. Please refer to https://bugs.debian.org/738199 If you would like to

Re: goals for hardening Debian: ideas and help wanted

2014-06-06 Thread intrigeri
Hi, Giacomo Mulas wrote (24 Apr 2014 16:49:20 GMT) : Good to know, actually I had tried apparmor quite some time ago and did not try again. I will give it another spin as soon as I can. https://wiki.debian.org/AppArmor/HowTo :) However, I do not agree that I should file bugs against apparmor

Re: goals for hardening Debian: ideas and help wanted

2014-06-06 Thread Tom Dial
I suggest resumption of maintenance for OVAL to support OpenSCAP. www.debian.org/security/oval/ seems not to have been maintained since some time in late 2010 or early 2011. Tom Dial On 04/23/2014 08:57 PM, Paul Wise wrote: Hi all, I have written a non-exhaustive list of goals for

Re: goals for hardening Debian: ideas and help wanted

2014-04-29 Thread Guido Günther
On Tue, Apr 29, 2014 at 11:35:26AM +0800, Paul Wise wrote: On Tue, Apr 29, 2014 at 8:07 AM, Marko Randjelovic wrote: - security patches should be clearly marked as such in every *.patch file That sounds like a good idea, could you add it to the wiki page? It's not always easy to say

Re: goals for hardening Debian: ideas and help wanted

2014-04-29 Thread Marko Randjelovic
On Tue, 29 Apr 2014 11:35:26 +0800 Paul Wise p...@debian.org wrote: On Tue, Apr 29, 2014 at 8:07 AM, Marko Randjelovic wrote: - security patches should be clearly marked as such in every *.patch file That sounds like a good idea, could you add it to the wiki page? I added this:

Re: goals for hardening Debian: ideas and help wanted

2014-04-29 Thread Patrick Schleizer
Marko Randjelovic: I was thinking about some kind of wizard: - create a chroot if doesn't already exist - create a launcher for your DE - create a shell script to run a program from terminal or a simple WM hint: chroot $CHROOT_PATH su - $USER -c $command_with_args chroot is not a

Re: goals for hardening Debian: ideas and help wanted

2014-04-29 Thread Elmar Stellnberger
chroot is not a security feature? As far I understand, chroots in Debian/Fedora aren't jails. Source: https://securityblog.redhat.com/2013/03/27/is-chroot-a-security-feature/ In deed a Linux chroot - environment is not a jail. You could use sth. like grsecurity to harden Linux chroot

Re: goals for hardening Debian: ideas and help wanted

2014-04-29 Thread Marko Randjelovic
On Tue, 29 Apr 2014 11:52:14 + Patrick Schleizer adrela...@riseup.net wrote: Marko Randjelovic: I was thinking about some kind of wizard: - create a chroot if doesn't already exist - create a launcher for your DE - create a shell script to run a program from terminal or a simple

Re: goals for hardening Debian: ideas and help wanted

2014-04-29 Thread Patrick Schleizer
Marko Randjelovic: On Tue, 29 Apr 2014 11:52:14 + Patrick Schleizer adrela...@riseup.net wrote: Marko Randjelovic: I was thinking about some kind of wizard: - create a chroot if doesn't already exist - create a launcher for your DE - create a shell script to run a program from

Re: goals for hardening Debian: ideas and help wanted

2014-04-29 Thread Lesley Binks
On 24 Apr 2014 10:58, Andrew McGlashan andrew.mcglas...@affinityvision.com.au wrote: On 24/04/2014 5:49 PM, Lesley Binks wrote: Apologies for the top posting, I'm writing this from my phone. I get a 403 when trying to access via Orbot/Orweb on Android 4.1 phone. Amusing. It works for me

Re: goals for hardening Debian: ideas and help wanted

2014-04-28 Thread Marko Randjelovic
On Thu, 24 Apr 2014 10:57:39 +0800 Paul Wise p...@debian.org wrote: Hi all, I have written a non-exhaustive list of goals for hardening the Debian distribution, the Debian project and computer systems of the Debian project, contributors and users. https://wiki.debian.org/Hardening/Goals

Re: goals for hardening Debian: ideas and help wanted

2014-04-28 Thread Paul Wise
On Tue, Apr 29, 2014 at 8:07 AM, Marko Randjelovic wrote: - security patches should be clearly marked as such in every *.patch file That sounds like a good idea, could you add it to the wiki page? - easy create and run programs from chroot and alternate users Could you detail what you

Re: goals for hardening Debian: ideas and help wanted

2014-04-25 Thread Cameron Norman
On Thu, Apr 24, 2014 at 9:49 AM, Giacomo Mulas giacomo.mula...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, 24 Apr 2014, Steve Langasek wrote: The apparmor policies in Debian apply a principle of minimal harm, confining only those services for which someone has taken the time to verify the correct profile.

Re: goals for hardening Debian: ideas and help wanted

2014-04-24 Thread Lesley Binks
Apologies for the top posting, I'm writing this from my phone. I get a 403 when trying to access via Orbot/Orweb on Android 4.1 phone. Amusing. Lesley On 24 Apr 2014 03:58, Paul Wise p...@debian.org wrote: Hi all, I have written a non-exhaustive list of goals for hardening the Debian

Re: goals for hardening Debian: ideas and help wanted

2014-04-24 Thread Rowan Thorpe
On 10:57 Thu 24 Apr 2014, Paul Wise wrote: ..[snip].. https://wiki.debian.org/Hardening/Goals Regarding the line (at that page): Refuse to install packages that are known to have X number of unplugged exploits (i.e. X number of open security bugs in the bug tracker) unless e.g.

Re: goals for hardening Debian: ideas and help wanted

2014-04-24 Thread Richard van den Berg
I suggest it might be better if exploits were each given a quick/approximate ranking in terms of severity (and if the severity is unknown it could be assigned a default median ranking), so that the algorithm you mention wouldn't just add number of unplugged exploits, but add them by weight

Re: goals for hardening Debian: ideas and help wanted

2014-04-24 Thread Andrew McGlashan
On 24/04/2014 5:49 PM, Lesley Binks wrote: Apologies for the top posting, I'm writing this from my phone. I get a 403 when trying to access via Orbot/Orweb on Android 4.1 phone. Amusing. It works for me [Orbot/Orweb -- 4.3 on both i9300 and i9505], did you get the case right? Strangely though

Re: goals for hardening Debian: ideas and help wanted

2014-04-24 Thread Giacomo Mulas
On Thu, 24 Apr 2014, Paul Wise wrote: On Thu, 2014-04-24 at 02:53 -0007, Cameron Norman wrote: Would the inclusion of more AppArmor profiles be applicable? Thanks, added along with SELinux/etc. I second that. Actually, some time ago I tried using both AppArmor and SELinux, but gave up

Re: goals for hardening Debian: ideas and help wanted

2014-04-24 Thread Henrik Ahlgren
On 24. huhtikuuta 2014 12.57.45 EEST, Andrew McGlashan andrew.mcglas...@affinityvision.com.au wrote: It works for me [Orbot/Orweb -- 4.3 on both i9300 and i9505], did you get the case right? wiki.d.o seems to be blocking at least some Tor exit nodes. IMHO it should not do that, at least for

Re: goals for hardening Debian: ideas and help wanted

2014-04-24 Thread Steve Langasek
On Thu, Apr 24, 2014 at 11:45:46AM +0200, Giacomo Mulas wrote: On Thu, 24 Apr 2014, Paul Wise wrote: Would the inclusion of more AppArmor profiles be applicable? Thanks, added along with SELinux/etc. I second that. Actually, some time ago I tried using both AppArmor and SELinux, but gave up

Re: goals for hardening Debian: ideas and help wanted

2014-04-24 Thread Giacomo Mulas
On Thu, 24 Apr 2014, Steve Langasek wrote: The apparmor policies in Debian apply a principle of minimal harm, confining only those services for which someone has taken the time to verify the correct profile. There are obviously pros and cons to each approach to MAC, which I'm not interested in

goals for hardening Debian: ideas and help wanted

2014-04-23 Thread Paul Wise
Hi all, I have written a non-exhaustive list of goals for hardening the Debian distribution, the Debian project and computer systems of the Debian project, contributors and users. https://wiki.debian.org/Hardening/Goals If you have more ideas, please add them to the wiki page. If you have more

Re: goals for hardening Debian: ideas and help wanted

2014-04-23 Thread Paul Wise
On Thu, 2014-04-24 at 02:53 -0007, Cameron Norman wrote: Would the inclusion of more AppArmor profiles be applicable? Thanks, added along with SELinux/etc. -- bye, pabs http://wiki.debian.org/PaulWise signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: goals for hardening Debian: ideas and help wanted

2014-04-23 Thread Cameron Norman
El Wed, 23 de Apr 2014 a las 7:57 PM, Paul Wise p...@debian.org escribió: Hi all, I have written a non-exhaustive list of goals for hardening the Debian distribution, the Debian project and computer systems of the Debian project, contributors and users. https://wiki.debian.org/Hardening/Goals

Re: goals for hardening Debian: ideas and help wanted

2014-04-23 Thread Jean-Baptiste Boisseau
2014-04-24 4:57 GMT+02:00 Paul Wise p...@debian.org: Hi all, I have written a non-exhaustive list of goals for hardening the Debian distribution, the Debian project and computer systems of the Debian project, contributors and users. https://wiki.debian.org/Hardening/Goals If you have