Re: md5 hashes used in security announcements

2008-10-26 Thread Carlos Carvalho
Felipe Figueiredo ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote on 25 October 2008 07:09: >On Saturday 25 October 2008 00:20:46 Alexander Konovalenko wrote: >> On Sat, Oct 25, 2008 at 02:33, Kees Cook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > [...] >> > >> > Additionally, it doesn't matter -- it's just the md5 in the email

Re: md5 hashes used in security announcements

2008-10-25 Thread Raphael Geissert
Marcin Owsiany wrote: > > It (generating good and bad package with colliding sum) is actually > easier than one might think. The reason is that you can embed any kind > of binary blob inside an executable and make the executable behavior > dependent on the "version" of the blob. I retract what I

Re: md5 hashes used in security announcements

2008-10-25 Thread Bernd Eckenfels
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> you wrote: > I assume, it's tradition from the times, when only few people > used apt-get and friends (and many years apt-get did not have > signature support). A pointer to a "generic" description for > people who don't want to/cannot use apt-get would be sufficient

Re: md5 hashes used in security announcements

2008-10-25 Thread Florian Weimer
* Sjors Gielen: > Kees Cook wrote: >> Additionally, it doesn't matter -- it's just the md5 in the email >> announcement. The Release and Packages files for the archive have SHA1 >> and SHA256. The md5 from the announcement is almost not important, >> IMO -- no one should download files individua

Re: md5 hashes used in security announcements

2008-10-25 Thread Felipe Figueiredo
On Saturday 25 October 2008 09:28:02 W. Martin Borgert wrote: > On 2008-10-25 07:09, Felipe Figueiredo wrote: > > Can anyone please explain why that long list of links and filenames is > > interesting, or point to a link that does? > > I assume, it's tradition from the times, when only few people >

Re: md5 hashes used in security announcements

2008-10-25 Thread Marcin Owsiany
On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 03:12:20PM -0500, Raphael Geissert wrote: > Bas Steendijk wrote: > > > > 2 files with a colliding hash can only be made by someone who can > > influence the creation of the file (thus, someone inside debian). he can > > make a "good" and a "bad" version of a package with th

Re: md5 hashes used in security announcements

2008-10-25 Thread W. Martin Borgert
On 2008-10-25 07:09, Felipe Figueiredo wrote: > Can anyone please explain why that long list of links and filenames is > interesting, or point to a link that does? I assume, it's tradition from the times, when only few people used apt-get and friends (and many years apt-get did not have signature

Re: md5 hashes used in security announcements

2008-10-25 Thread Felipe Figueiredo
On Saturday 25 October 2008 00:20:46 Alexander Konovalenko wrote: > On Sat, Oct 25, 2008 at 02:33, Kees Cook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > [...] > > > > Additionally, it doesn't matter -- it's just the md5 in the email > > announcement. The Release and Packages files for the archive have SHA1 > >

Re: md5 hashes used in security announcements

2008-10-24 Thread Alexander Konovalenko
On Sat, Oct 25, 2008 at 02:33, Kees Cook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > [...] > > Additionally, it doesn't matter -- it's just the md5 in the email > announcement. The Release and Packages files for the archive have SHA1 > and SHA256. The md5 from the announcement is almost not important, > IMO --

Re: md5 hashes used in security announcements

2008-10-24 Thread Kees Cook
On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 10:35:52PM +0200, Sjors Gielen wrote: > Kees Cook wrote: > > Additionally, it doesn't matter -- it's just the md5 in the email > > announcement. The Release and Packages files for the archive have SHA1 > > and SHA256. The md5 from the announcement is almost not important,

Re: md5 hashes used in security announcements

2008-10-24 Thread Florian Weimer
* Raphael Geissert: > Yeah, but remember that the "bad" version must also be a valid .deb file with > something inside that does work; otherwise you may just be able to get some > random stuff with the same file size and md5 sum but without any use. These days, you can generate meaningful collisi

Re: md5 hashes used in security announcements

2008-10-24 Thread Sjors Gielen
Kees Cook wrote: > Additionally, it doesn't matter -- it's just the md5 in the email > announcement. The Release and Packages files for the archive have SHA1 > and SHA256. The md5 from the announcement is almost not important, > IMO -- no one should download files individually from the announceme

Re: md5 hashes used in security announcements

2008-10-24 Thread Kees Cook
On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 03:12:20PM -0500, Raphael Geissert wrote: > Bas Steendijk wrote: > > > > 2 files with a colliding hash can only be made by someone who can > > influence the creation of the file (thus, someone inside debian). he can > > make a "good" and a "bad" version of a package with th

Re: md5 hashes used in security announcements

2008-10-24 Thread Raphael Geissert
Bas Steendijk wrote: > > 2 files with a colliding hash can only be made by someone who can > influence the creation of the file (thus, someone inside debian). he can > make a "good" and a "bad" version of a package with the same MD5, and > the same size. for someone to make a file with the same ha

Re: md5 hashes used in security announcements

2008-10-24 Thread Bas Steendijk
Florian Weimer wrote: * Bas Steendijk: i have sent an email a while ago about the security implications of using MD5 hashes in the security announcements (DSA), but i didn't get any reply at all from this. has it been overlooked? I don't know to which address you sent the address, so I don't

Re: md5 hashes used in security announcements

2008-10-24 Thread Cyril Brulebois
Florian Weimer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (24/10/2008): > I don't know to which address you sent the address, so I don't know if > it's been overlooked. [EMAIL PROTECTED] aka. http://lists.debian.org/debian-security/2008/10/msg00030.html Mraw, KiBi. signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: md5 hashes used in security announcements

2008-10-24 Thread Florian Weimer
* Bas Steendijk: > i have sent an email a while ago about the security implications of > using MD5 hashes in the security announcements (DSA), but i didn't get > any reply at all from this. has it been overlooked? I don't know to which address you sent the address, so I don't know if it's been ov

Re: md5 hashes used in security announcements

2008-10-24 Thread paddy
On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 04:01:23PM +0200, Nico Golde wrote: > Hi Bas, > * Bas Steendijk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008-10-24 15:44]: > > i have sent an email a while ago about the security implications of using > > MD5 > > hashes in the security announcements (DSA), but i didn't get any reply at > >

Re: md5 hashes used in security announcements

2008-10-24 Thread Nico Golde
Hi Bas, * Bas Steendijk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008-10-24 15:44]: > i have sent an email a while ago about the security implications of using MD5 > hashes in the security announcements (DSA), but i didn't get any reply at all > from this. has it been overlooked? I guess not, it's just strange that

md5 hashes used in security announcements

2008-10-24 Thread Bas Steendijk
i have sent an email a while ago about the security implications of using MD5 hashes in the security announcements (DSA), but i didn't get any reply at all from this. has it been overlooked? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL