Re: sendmail & localhost rDNS

2009-08-12 Thread Will Aoki
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 10:56:57AM +0200, Joerg Morbitzer wrote: > I just did a fresh sendmail installation on Debian Etch getting this > auto-generated new /etc/mail/access file: > > titan:~# grep "^Connect:.*RELAY" /etc/mail/access > Connect:localhost RELAY > Connect:127

Re: sendmail & localhost rDNS

2009-08-11 Thread Michiel Klaver
If sendmail would do a double lookup verify on the reverse DNS records, there would be no problem at all. When some obscure IP address has reverse DNS pointer record "localhost" and sendmail would do another lookup to see what IP address belongs to "localhost", then it would not match (obscure IP

Re: sendmail & localhost rDNS

2009-08-11 Thread Bernhard R. Link
* Lupe Christoph [090811 10:56]: > > So it is in my eyes no criteria at all that the user has to change some > > configuration. The question is whether this change is supposed to cause > > the effects it does and if a user can be expected to understand the > > effects. > > Please go ahead and file

Re: sendmail & localhost rDNS

2009-08-11 Thread Joerg Morbitzer
Lupe Christoph wrote: > OK, I give up. And shut up. > > Please file a bug against the sendmail package, with the information > that sendmail allows you to enter "Connect:localhost RELAY" in > /etc/mail/access. > > And another one that "Connect:127.0.0.1 RELAY" opens up the same hole as > "Connect

Re: sendmail & localhost rDNS

2009-08-11 Thread Lupe Christoph
On Tuesday, 2009-08-11 at 10:32:04 +0200, Bernhard R. Link wrote: > * Lupe Christoph [090810 21:13]: > > > Almost all security holes need to user to do something. (If only to > > > power up the machine, to install some packages, to connect to the > > > internet, to give accounts to users). The que

Re: sendmail & localhost rDNS

2009-08-11 Thread Lupe Christoph
OK, I give up. And shut up. Please file a bug against the sendmail package, with the information that sendmail allows you to enter "Connect:localhost RELAY" in /etc/mail/access. And another one that "Connect:127.0.0.1 RELAY" opens up the same hole as "Connect:localhost RELAY". Since I have no se

Re: sendmail & localhost rDNS

2009-08-11 Thread Thomas Liske
Re, Lupe Christoph wrote: On Monday, 2009-08-10 at 14:35:06 +0200, Bernhard R. Link wrote: * Lupe Christoph [090810 13:53]: On Monday, 2009-08-10 at 13:46:38 +0200, Thomas Liske wrote: last week, there was an article on heise security about MTAs[1] which relay mails for hosts having a rev

Re: sendmail & localhost rDNS

2009-08-11 Thread Bernhard R. Link
* Lupe Christoph [090810 21:13]: > > Almost all security holes need to user to do something. (If only to > > power up the machine, to install some packages, to connect to the > > internet, to give accounts to users). The question cannot be that > > something has to be done do make people vulnerabl

Re: sendmail & localhost rDNS

2009-08-10 Thread Lupe Christoph
On Monday, 2009-08-10 at 14:35:06 +0200, Bernhard R. Link wrote: > * Lupe Christoph [090810 13:53]: > > On Monday, 2009-08-10 at 13:46:38 +0200, Thomas Liske wrote: > > > last week, there was an article on heise security about MTAs[1] which > > > relay mails for hosts having a reverse resolutio

Re: sendmail & localhost rDNS

2009-08-10 Thread Bernhard R. Link
* Lupe Christoph [090810 13:53]: > On Monday, 2009-08-10 at 13:46:38 +0200, Thomas Liske wrote: > > > last week, there was an article on heise security about MTAs[1] which > > relay mails for hosts having a reverse resolution of 'localhost'. Doing > > a small test shows that sendmail on etch

Re: sendmail & localhost rDNS

2009-08-10 Thread Bernhard R. Link
* Jan de Groot [090810 14:22]: > On Mon, 2009-08-10 at 14:03 +0200, Thomas Liske wrote: > > if an access line like: > > > > Connect:localhost RELAY > > > > turns a MTA into an Open Relay than I would prefere a DSA, since the > > ACL > > implementation is broken IMHO. > > As long as r

Re: sendmail & localhost rDNS

2009-08-10 Thread Thomas Liske
Re, Jan de Groot wrote: On Mon, 2009-08-10 at 14:03 +0200, Thomas Liske wrote: if an access line like: Connect:localhost RELAY turns a MTA into an Open Relay than I would prefere a DSA, since the ACL implementation is broken IMHO. As long as reverse DNS can be faked, I would

Re: sendmail & localhost rDNS

2009-08-10 Thread Jan de Groot
On Mon, 2009-08-10 at 14:03 +0200, Thomas Liske wrote: > if an access line like: > > Connect:localhost RELAY > > turns a MTA into an Open Relay than I would prefere a DSA, since the > ACL > implementation is broken IMHO. As long as reverse DNS can be faked, I would never use hostn

Re: sendmail & localhost rDNS

2009-08-10 Thread Lupe Christoph
On Monday, 2009-08-10 at 14:03:44 +0200, Thomas Liske wrote: > #Lupe Christoph wrote: >> On Monday, 2009-08-10 at 13:46:38 +0200, Thomas Liske wrote: >>> last week, there was an article on heise security about MTAs[1] which >>> relay mails for hosts having a reverse resolution of 'localhost'. >

Re: sendmail & localhost rDNS

2009-08-10 Thread Thomas Liske
Re, #Lupe Christoph wrote: On Monday, 2009-08-10 at 13:46:38 +0200, Thomas Liske wrote: last week, there was an article on heise security about MTAs[1] which relay mails for hosts having a reverse resolution of 'localhost'. Doing a small test shows that sendmail on etch seems to be vulnerab

Re: sendmail & localhost rDNS

2009-08-10 Thread Lupe Christoph
On Monday, 2009-08-10 at 13:46:38 +0200, Thomas Liske wrote: > last week, there was an article on heise security about MTAs[1] which > relay mails for hosts having a reverse resolution of 'localhost'. Doing > a small test shows that sendmail on etch seems to be vulnerable, too. I > need to h

sendmail & localhost rDNS

2009-08-10 Thread Thomas Liske
Hi, last week, there was an article on heise security about MTAs[1] which relay mails for hosts having a reverse resolution of 'localhost'. Doing a small test shows that sendmail on etch seems to be vulnerable, too. I need to have a localhost RELAY line in my access file (which is not default