Re: OT: sponge burning!

2007-02-25 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/25/07 12:25, Paul Johnson wrote: Michael Pobega wrote: [snip] His policing policies are more Soviet Russia than United States of America. Not sure that really makes up for the fact that if you're poor or homeless in New York City under

Re: REALLY OT: News Flash

2007-02-25 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Sun, Feb 25, 2007 at 04:19:01PM -0500, Michael Pobega wrote: Not to sound stupid, but how does one use this ignore thread feature? I'm pretty new to mailing lists so I'm guessing I respond to the topic and put ignore in the subject header, but I could be wrong and don't want to spam up

Re: OT: sponge burning!

2007-02-25 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/25/07 12:21, Paul Johnson wrote: s. keeling wrote: [snip] I wouldn't be quite so quick to eliminate Hillary. After 8 years of hard right-wing rule, name recognition alone could get her elected like it did Bush. If I were her, I'd

Re: We need an off-topic list (was Re: REALLY OT: News Flash)

2007-02-25 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 22:46:30 +0100 Sven Arvidsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 2007-02-25 at 13:34 -0800, Tyler MacDonald wrote: IANADD, but I would like to see something get going with this soon... what is the procedure? Does a debian developer sponsor the mailing list? Is there

Re: We need an off-topic list (was Re: REALLY OT: News Flash)

2007-02-25 Thread Tyler MacDonald
Steve Lamb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I use mutt in non-threaded mode so I have no idea. :-) So the list should adjust itself to how you read mail? A list that the debian organization reccomends for new debian users to go to seek help should be as accomodating to that goal as possible,

Re: We need an off-topic list (was Re: REALLY OT: News Flash)

2007-02-25 Thread Tyler MacDonald
Sven Arvidsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: See http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/HOWTO_start_list But does a debian-user-ot (or whatever) mailing list need to be hosted at debian.org? I think so; otherwise off-topic stuff will still end up in the help list... and having there be a officially

Re: have I messed up package management?

2007-02-25 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/25/07 15:14, Steve Kleene wrote: In another thread (sound problems on debian), I explained that my new etch installation didn't drive my Intel onboard sound card. It was suggested that I try upgrading from source from alsa-1.0.13 to

Re: REALLY OT: News Flash

2007-02-25 Thread Michael Pobega
On Sun, Feb 25, 2007 at 04:54:12PM -0500, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: On Sun, Feb 25, 2007 at 04:19:01PM -0500, Michael Pobega wrote: Not to sound stupid, but how does one use this ignore thread feature? I'm pretty new to mailing lists so I'm guessing I respond to the topic and put ignore

Re: a dumb query? pls humor me

2007-02-25 Thread John K Masters
On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 23:40:57 +0200 Andrei Popescu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 15:09:40 -0500 Michael Pobega [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, I know that they all use the metric system. Hell, my father is married to a Brit. But I always forget that they use it, and I Where

Re: a dumb query? pls humor me

2007-02-25 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/25/07 15:43, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: On Sun, Feb 25, 2007 at 03:34:34PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: On 02/25/07 14:47, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: On Sun, Feb 25, 2007 at 10:41:02AM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote: Joe Hart wrote: [snip]

Re: REALLY OT: News Flash

2007-02-25 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/25/07 15:55, Michael Pobega wrote: On Sun, Feb 25, 2007 at 11:35:12PM +0200, Andrei Popescu wrote: On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 16:19:01 -0500 Michael Pobega [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not to sound stupid, but how does one use this ignore thread

Re: REALLY OT: News Flash

2007-02-25 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Sun, Feb 25, 2007 at 01:43:24PM -0800, Michael M. wrote: On Sun, 2007-02-25 at 08:57 -0500, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: On Sun, Feb 25, 2007 at 08:43:32AM -0500, Michael Pobega wrote: This actually falls into a similar category as one of my favorite phrases ever: There are no

Re: REALLY OT: News Flash

2007-02-25 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Sun, Feb 25, 2007 at 05:03:45PM -0500, Michael Pobega wrote: How do I do it though? Do I just filter the thread by name, or is there some sort of way to block threads without going so in depth (I'm using Mutt by the way, but this is a general question and should apply to most e-mail

fvwm (was: Re: Firefox/Iceweasel's weird close/quit behaviour)

2007-02-25 Thread Joe Hart
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: Joe Hart wrote: Chris Bannister wrote: On Wed, Feb 21, 2007 at 06:53:06PM +0100, Joe Hart wrote: One of the things that draws me to KDE is the fact that _almost_ everything is configurable (I can't change the foreground

Re: a dumb query? pls humor me

2007-02-25 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Sun, Feb 25, 2007 at 04:04:45PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: On 02/25/07 15:43, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: Right. I was a scout leader for a couple of years. While *in some places* hiking works, lots of places are simply to far from any decent camp grounds to make hiking feasible.

Re: We need an off-topic list (was Re: REALLY OT: News Flash)

2007-02-25 Thread Sven Arvidsson
On Sun, 2007-02-25 at 23:56 +0200, Andrei Popescu wrote: According current policy there is no chance to get such a list. From your link above: [quote] [...] vanity or offtopic lists will not be created. [/quote] Doh! Thanks for pointing that out. I really need to schedule a meeting with my

Re: REALLY OT: News Flash

2007-02-25 Thread Michael Pobega
On Sun, Feb 25, 2007 at 05:10:12PM -0500, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: On Sun, Feb 25, 2007 at 01:43:24PM -0800, Michael M. wrote: On Sun, 2007-02-25 at 08:57 -0500, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: On Sun, Feb 25, 2007 at 08:43:32AM -0500, Michael Pobega wrote: This actually falls into a

Re: We need an off-topic list (was Re: REALLY OT: News Flash)

2007-02-25 Thread Michael Pobega
On Sun, Feb 25, 2007 at 11:56:51PM +0200, Andrei Popescu wrote: On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 22:46:30 +0100 Sven Arvidsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: See http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/HOWTO_start_list But does a debian-user-ot (or whatever) mailing list need to be hosted at debian.org?

Re: a dumb query? pls humor me

2007-02-25 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/25/07 16:04, John K Masters wrote: On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 23:40:57 +0200 Andrei Popescu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 15:09:40 -0500 Michael Pobega [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, I know that they all use the metric system.

Re: udev issues backing up /dev

2007-02-25 Thread rir
On Sun, Feb 25, 2007 at 04:36:56PM +0100, Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote: backup using dump/restore - it backs up whole filesystem (unless you exclude/include only some files), even the hidden part. however, udev remounts the original /dev to /dev/.static, with a small hacks, you can mount

Re: REALLY OT: News Flash

2007-02-25 Thread Michael Pobega
On Sun, Feb 25, 2007 at 04:08:35PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/25/07 15:55, Michael Pobega wrote: On Sun, Feb 25, 2007 at 11:35:12PM +0200, Andrei Popescu wrote: On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 16:19:01 -0500 Michael Pobega [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Re: REALLY OT: News Flash

2007-02-25 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Sun, Feb 25, 2007 at 05:16:39PM -0500, Michael Pobega wrote: On Sun, Feb 25, 2007 at 05:10:12PM -0500, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: On Sun, Feb 25, 2007 at 01:43:24PM -0800, Michael M. wrote: On Sun, 2007-02-25 at 08:57 -0500, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: On Sun, Feb 25, 2007 at 08:43:32AM

Re: a dumb query? pls humor me

2007-02-25 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/25/07 16:14, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: On Sun, Feb 25, 2007 at 04:04:45PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: On 02/25/07 15:43, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: Right. I was a scout leader for a couple of years. While *in some places* hiking works, lots

gigabit nic

2007-02-25 Thread Chris Parker
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 What recommendations for a gigabit nic on a dell power edge 2400? It is going to be used as a network analysis box. Thanks all Chris -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla -

Re: We need an off-topic list (was Re: REALLY OT: News Flash)

2007-02-25 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/25/07 16:20, Michael Pobega wrote: On Sun, Feb 25, 2007 at 11:56:51PM +0200, Andrei Popescu wrote: On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 22:46:30 +0100 Sven Arvidsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: See http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/HOWTO_start_list But does

Re: REALLY OT: News Flash

2007-02-25 Thread Nigel Henry
On Sunday 25 February 2007 22:30, Steve Lamb wrote: Nigel Henry wrote: Personally I think this thread is a bit sick, and also a bit sad. That's ok if we can think that of you. I thought this mailing list debian-user@lists.debian.org was for for folks using debian to get answers to

Re: a dumb query? pls humor me

2007-02-25 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Sun, Feb 25, 2007 at 04:20:21PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: No, you're a wimp for not having them hike from the car-drivable road to the campsite. ;) Oh. Right. We have done that when possible. Of course, you like to be able to go camping different places. Regards, -Roberto --

Re: gigabit nic

2007-02-25 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Sun, Feb 25, 2007 at 05:22:09PM -0500, Chris Parker wrote: What recommendations for a gigabit nic on a dell power edge 2400? It is going to be used as a network analysis box. Thanks all Chris Can't really go wrong with an Intel or 3Com (are they still making new stuff?). Regards,

Re: We need an off-topic list (was Re: REALLY OT: News Flash)

2007-02-25 Thread Joe Hart
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Tyler MacDonald wrote: Steve Lamb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I use mutt in non-threaded mode so I have no idea. :-) So the list should adjust itself to how you read mail? A list that the debian organization reccomends for new debian users

Re: REALLY OT: News Flash

2007-02-25 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Sun, Feb 25, 2007 at 11:25:43PM +0100, Nigel Henry wrote: I just have to wonder at what sort of persons are passing for humans on this list. I subscribed to the list to get help. OK. What problem do you have then? I'd like to help out. Someone on another list had suggested not

Re: REALLY OT: News Flash

2007-02-25 Thread Steve Lamb
Michael Pobega wrote: Everyone has their own belief, and let it be that way. I'd rather not. Personally when someone is showing signs of being delusional in public I think it is better to confront them at their aberrant behavior for their own safety and the safety of others. --

Re: We need an off-topic list (was Re: REALLY OT: News Flash)

2007-02-25 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Sun, Feb 25, 2007 at 11:27:34PM +0100, Joe Hart wrote: I qualify as one of the brand spanking new members and I say I have not laughed so hard in a long time. Keep the OT stuff going Welcome! There are forums and other online resources for people to get help. The technical

Re: gigabit nic

2007-02-25 Thread Chris Parker
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: On Sun, Feb 25, 2007 at 05:22:09PM -0500, Chris Parker wrote: What recommendations for a gigabit nic on a dell power edge 2400? It is going to be used as a network analysis box. Thanks all Chris Can't really go wrong

Re: a dumb query? pls humor me

2007-02-25 Thread Joe Hart
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ron Johnson wrote: On 02/25/07 16:04, John K Masters wrote: On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 23:40:57 +0200 Andrei Popescu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 15:09:40 -0500 Michael Pobega [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, I know that they all use the

Re: audio recorder in linux ... what's its name?

2007-02-25 Thread H.S.
Howard Eisenberger wrote: On 2007-02-25, H.S. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I remember there is an application to record audio (mic or line-in) and IIRC it had the X11 interface. What I also remember is the level meters it had, they were two dials, one for each channel, and had needles showing

Re: REALLY OT: News Flash

2007-02-25 Thread Steve Lamb
Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: If you meet a Christian (I can't speak for other faiths) who thinks he or she is in control, then that individual is wrong. The Bible explicitly states on numerous occasions that God is ultimately in control. Of everything. But you missed the point, Roberto. A

Re: REALLY OT: News Flash

2007-02-25 Thread Steve Lamb
Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: He claims that religious people are stupid and basically use ancient texts are a crutch. Well, don't you? I mean you cherry pick the nice bits and reject the nasty. Nevermind that the Chrisitan nation of the USA (it was founded as a Christian nation by

Re: REALLY OT: News Flash

2007-02-25 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/25/07 16:30, Steve Lamb wrote: Michael Pobega wrote: Everyone has their own belief, and let it be that way. I'd rather not. Personally when someone is showing signs of being delusional in public I think it is better to confront them

Re: REALLY OT: News Flash

2007-02-25 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/25/07 16:20, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: On Sun, Feb 25, 2007 at 05:16:39PM -0500, Michael Pobega wrote: On Sun, Feb 25, 2007 at 05:10:12PM -0500, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: On Sun, Feb 25, 2007 at 01:43:24PM -0800, Michael M. wrote: On Sun,

Re: a dumb query? pls humor me

2007-02-25 Thread Carl Johnson
Joe Hart [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Michael Pobega wrote: Please don't start talking about gas prices. It makes me think about how much we get ripped off at the pumps. Current price is 1.40 Euro per liter. Do the math: 1.3 Euro = 1 Dollar. 3.8 liter = 1 US Gallon. It's not much

Re: REALLY OT: News Flash

2007-02-25 Thread Nigel Henry
On Sunday 25 February 2007 23:32, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: On Sun, Feb 25, 2007 at 11:25:43PM +0100, Nigel Henry wrote: I just have to wonder at what sort of persons are passing for humans on this list. I subscribed to the list to get help. OK. What problem do you have then? I'd like

#chsh -s /usr/bin/passwd - by misteke

2007-02-25 Thread Jarek Buczyński
Hi I changed my user root shell to /usr/src/passwd, by mistake :( I forgot add user to command chsh #chsh -s /usr/bin/passwd I can't login as root :( is it possible change this without going to physical machine and boot from LiveCD? I know root password, and other user who have default shell

Re: REALLY OT: News Flash

2007-02-25 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/25/07 17:04, Steve Lamb wrote: Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: [snip] And no, I'm not going to give you the namby-pamby Jesus excuse. IE, the old defense that the New Testament trumps the Old Testament and since the NT is nicer than the OT

Re: a dumb query? pls humor me

2007-02-25 Thread Steve Lamb
Joe Hart wrote: Might you not have that a bit backwards? Nope. Given the choice of Americans or Brits answer these questions. 1: Frankenstein's Monster comes to town and someone yells, Lynch it, bring your pitchforks and torches! Who shoes up with pitchforks and rather chilly electronic

Re: REALLY OT: News Flash

2007-02-25 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/25/07 17:08, Steve Lamb wrote: Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: [snip] Christian state and that 90%+ of all scientists in the US are Atheist. 95.4% of all statistics are bogus. So is this one unless you've got a hard reference. Furthermore it

Re: a dumb query? pls humor me

2007-02-25 Thread Joe Hart
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Carl Johnson wrote: Joe Hart [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Michael Pobega wrote: Please don't start talking about gas prices. It makes me think about how much we get ripped off at the pumps. Current price is 1.40 Euro per liter. Do the math:

Re: a dumb query? pls humor me

2007-02-25 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/25/07 16:55, Joe Hart wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: On 02/25/07 16:04, John K Masters wrote: On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 23:40:57 +0200 Andrei Popescu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 15:09:40 -0500 Michael Pobega [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Re: a dumb query? pls humor me

2007-02-25 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/25/07 16:25, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: On Sun, Feb 25, 2007 at 04:20:21PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: No, you're a wimp for not having them hike from the car-drivable road to the campsite. ;) Oh. Right. We have done that when possible.

Re: #chsh -s /usr/bin/passwd - by misteke

2007-02-25 Thread Joe Hart
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jarek Buczyński wrote: Hi I changed my user root shell to /usr/src/passwd, by mistake :( I forgot add user to command chsh #chsh -s /usr/bin/passwd I can't login as root :( is it possible change this without going to physical machine and

On Topic: Mail neophytism (was Re: REALLY OT: News Flash)

2007-02-25 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/25/07 16:14, Michael Pobega wrote: On Sun, Feb 25, 2007 at 04:08:35PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/25/07 15:55, Michael Pobega wrote: On Sun, Feb 25, 2007 at 11:35:12PM +0200, Andrei Popescu

Re: We need an off-topic list (was Re: REALLY OT: News Flash)

2007-02-25 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/25/07 16:34, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: On Sun, Feb 25, 2007 at 11:27:34PM +0100, Joe Hart wrote: [snip] Do you *really* want to things to get out of hand? If so, just start spouting off about Ubuntu or Fedora or Mandriva and the flamefest

Re: REALLY OT: News Flash

2007-02-25 Thread Steve Lamb
Ron Johnson wrote: What commandment is the foremost of all? Jesus answered, The foremost is, 'Hear, O Israel! The Lord our God is one Lord; and you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind, and with all your strength.' The second is

Re: a dumb query? pls humor me

2007-02-25 Thread Joe Hart
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Steve Lamb wrote: Joe Hart wrote: Might you not have that a bit backwards? Nope. Given the choice of Americans or Brits answer these questions. 1: Frankenstein's Monster comes to town and someone yells, Lynch it, bring your pitchforks

Re: OT

2007-02-25 Thread John -
On (24 and 25/02/07) mainly the same four or five folks wrote: Quite a lot of off-topic opinionated political nonsense. Look, guys -- you know who you are -- I (and others, most likely) don't mind OT topics from time to time, and I/we can pretty easily delete without reading, should I/we wish

Re: a dumb query? pls humor me

2007-02-25 Thread Joe Hart
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ron Johnson wrote: On 02/25/07 16:55, Joe Hart wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: On 02/25/07 16:04, John K Masters wrote: On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 23:40:57 +0200 Andrei Popescu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 15:09:40 -0500 Michael Pobega

Re: OT: sponge burning!

2007-02-25 Thread Michael M.
On Sun, 2007-02-25 at 15:44 -0500, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: On Sun, Feb 25, 2007 at 11:14:05AM -0800, Michael M. wrote: a·bor·tion (??-bôr'sh??n) n. 1. a. Termination of pregnancy and expulsion of an embryo or of a fetus that is incapable of survival. b. Any of various procedures

Re: REALLY OT: News Flash

2007-02-25 Thread Steve Lamb
Ron Johnson wrote: 95.4% of all statistics are bogus. So is this one unless you've got a hard reference. To be fair I do not, I am referencing Richard Dawkins' citation of such but do not have that reference on hand (Was it in the _God Delusion_ or on his web site?). But are there any

Re: gigabit nic

2007-02-25 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/25/07 16:49, Chris Parker wrote: Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: On Sun, Feb 25, 2007 at 05:22:09PM -0500, Chris Parker wrote: What recommendations for a gigabit nic on a dell power edge 2400? It is going to be used as a network analysis box.

Re: #chsh -s /usr/bin/passwd - by misteke

2007-02-25 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/25/07 17:21, Jarek Buczyński wrote: Hi I changed my user root shell to /usr/src/passwd, by mistake :( I forgot add user to command chsh #chsh -s /usr/bin/passwd I can't login as root :( is it possible change this without going to

Re: a dumb query? pls humor me

2007-02-25 Thread Kamaraju S Kusumanchi
Michael Pobega wrote: Off-topic from an off-topic thread? What an oxymoron. And yeah, teachers always say that we'll be switching to the metric system but it will never happen. I'm still in high school and my economics teacher says that all of the time. I read in one of the textbooks

RE: #chsh -s /usr/bin/passwd - by misteke

2007-02-25 Thread Jarek Buczyński
Have you setup sudo? Can you perhaps do a sudo -i, or a sudo /bin/chch or some such shell? Unfortunately I haven't, yet :( Boot from a Live CD and fix it from there. I know about this but it's remote machine, so I can't do this. -- Best regards -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL

Re: REALLY OT: News Flash

2007-02-25 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/25/07 17:34, Steve Lamb wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: What commandment is the foremost of all? Jesus answered, The foremost is, 'Hear, O Israel! The Lord our God is one Lord; and you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all

Re: REALLY OT: News Flash

2007-02-25 Thread Wulfy
Steve Lamb wrote: The Theist is claiming to have answers, that they are right, absolutely. Not all Theists believe in Absolute Truth... but then again, not all Theists are Monotheists. -- Blessings Wulfmann Wulf Credo: Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. Play

Re: REALLY OT: News Flash

2007-02-25 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/25/07 17:39, Steve Lamb wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: 95.4% of all statistics are bogus. So is this one unless you've got a hard reference. To be fair I do not, I am referencing Richard Dawkins' citation of such but do not have that

Re: a dumb query? pls humor me

2007-02-25 Thread Kamaraju S Kusumanchi
Joe Hart wrote: I remember when I was in elementary school (in Virginia) that we were taught the metric system Actually this approach is very good. You get to know about other things and wont be overwhelmed when you encounter them. In India, We were taught CGS, MKS, SI and a bunch of other

Re: a dumb query? pls humor me

2007-02-25 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/25/07 17:37, Joe Hart wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: On 02/25/07 16:55, Joe Hart wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: On 02/25/07 16:04, John K Masters wrote: On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 23:40:57 +0200 Andrei Popescu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 25 Feb 2007

Re: a dumb query? pls humor me

2007-02-25 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/25/07 17:44, Kamaraju S Kusumanchi wrote: Michael Pobega wrote: Off-topic from an off-topic thread? What an oxymoron. And yeah, teachers always say that we'll be switching to the metric system but it will never happen. I'm still in high

Re: a dumb query? pls humor me

2007-02-25 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/25/07 17:57, Kamaraju S Kusumanchi wrote: Joe Hart wrote: I remember when I was in elementary school (in Virginia) that we were taught the metric system Actually this approach is very good. You get to know about other things and wont

Re: OT: sponge burning!

2007-02-25 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/25/07 17:37, Michael M. wrote: On Sun, 2007-02-25 at 15:44 -0500, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: On Sun, Feb 25, 2007 at 11:14:05AM -0800, Michael M. wrote: [snip] It seems to me what you're doing is claiming that because you believe abortion is

acronyms (was Re: REALLY OT:...)

2007-02-25 Thread Kamaraju S Kusumanchi
Michael Pobega wrote: I've only used Mutt for a day or so now, and I like to do more productive things with my time than learn random acronyms. But thanks for filling me in, that's one I'll be sure to not forget. For finding what an acronym stands for and to find the meaning of english

Re: gigabit nic

2007-02-25 Thread Chris Parker
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ron Johnson wrote: On 02/25/07 16:49, Chris Parker wrote: Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: On Sun, Feb 25, 2007 at 05:22:09PM -0500, Chris Parker wrote: What recommendations for a gigabit nic on a dell power edge 2400? It is going to be used as a

Re: a dumb query? pls humor me

2007-02-25 Thread Michael Pobega
On Sun, Feb 25, 2007 at 11:55:21PM +0100, Joe Hart wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ron Johnson wrote: On 02/25/07 16:04, John K Masters wrote: There are three definitions in current use: * U.S. liquid gallon is legally defined as 231 in³, which is equal to

Re: a dumb query? pls humor me

2007-02-25 Thread Michael Pobega
On Sun, Feb 25, 2007 at 06:01:06PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/25/07 17:37, Joe Hart wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: On 02/25/07 16:55, Joe Hart wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: On 02/25/07 16:04, John K Masters wrote: On Sun, 25 Feb 2007

Re: REALLY OT: News Flash

2007-02-25 Thread Kamaraju S Kusumanchi
Nigel Henry wrote: To hell with it . In the next 2 hours I'll be off this list, and if anyone asks I will not suggest they subscribe to it. answers to debian questions, yes, but not on this list. That is rather unfortunate. While I can understand what you are saying, I would like to ask

Re: gigabit nic

2007-02-25 Thread Chris Parker
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Chris Parker wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: On 02/25/07 16:49, Chris Parker wrote: Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: On Sun, Feb 25, 2007 at 05:22:09PM -0500, Chris Parker wrote: What recommendations for a gigabit nic on a dell power edge 2400? It is going

Re: OT: sponge burning!

2007-02-25 Thread s. keeling
Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I was just having this discussion the other day. Legal killing is *not* murder. I know. Let's ask the ACLU! :-P The thing is, I do not know if Germany ever passed a *law* saying that it was legal to kill undesirables, or if it was just done. For

Re: acronyms (was Re: REALLY OT:...)

2007-02-25 Thread Michael Pobega
On Sun, Feb 25, 2007 at 07:14:01PM -0500, Kamaraju S Kusumanchi wrote: Michael Pobega wrote: I've only used Mutt for a day or so now, and I like to do more productive things with my time than learn random acronyms. But thanks for filling me in, that's one I'll be sure to not forget.

Re: a dumb query? pls humor me

2007-02-25 Thread Kamaraju S Kusumanchi
Ron Johnson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/25/07 17:57, Kamaraju S Kusumanchi wrote: Joe Hart wrote: I remember when I was in elementary school (in Virginia) that we were taught the metric system Actually this approach is very good. You get to know about

Re: OT: sponge burning!

2007-02-25 Thread s. keeling
Roberto C. Sanchez [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Sun, Feb 25, 2007 at 11:14:05AM -0800, Michael M. wrote: abortion (??-b=F4r'sh??n) n. 1. a. Termination of pregnancy and expulsion of an embryo or of a fetus that is incapable of survival. b. Any of various procedures that result in such

Re: acronyms (was Re: REALLY OT:...)

2007-02-25 Thread Kamaraju S Kusumanchi
Michael Pobega wrote: Wow, thanks for that Raju. This dict program is really going to save me a lot of time googling things :D You are welcome! Little programs like this really make the linux experience wonderful! One of the drawbacks of dict is that there is no way (I think) to search for

Re: acronyms (was Re: REALLY OT:...)

2007-02-25 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/25/07 18:34, Michael Pobega wrote: On Sun, Feb 25, 2007 at 07:14:01PM -0500, Kamaraju S Kusumanchi wrote: Michael Pobega wrote: [snip] Wow, thanks for that Raju. This dict program is really going to save me a lot of time googling things

Re: Bug#412149: general: usb: stopped working in both gpsbabel and jpilot

2007-02-25 Thread Reid Priedhorsky
Steve Langasek wrote: On Fri, Feb 23, 2007 at 06:27:01PM -0600, Reid Priedhorsky wrote: The following are the packages I upgraded between working and non-working USB: snip 2007-02-20 21:36:47 status installed libgphoto2-port0 2.2.1-16 2007-02-20 21:36:50 status installed libgphoto2-2

xserver-xorg memory leak

2007-02-25 Thread Bill Moseley
This is just a probe to see if anyone else is having problems with Xorg eating memory. Every once in a while my desktop machine becomes unresponsive and top shows that Xorg is using all my memory. I was out of town and ssh'ing into my machine every day or so and it was fine, except today I was

Re: #chsh -s /usr/bin/passwd - by misteke

2007-02-25 Thread Atis
On 2/26/07, Jarek Buczyński [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi I changed my user root shell to /usr/src/passwd, by mistake :( I forgot add user to command chsh #chsh -s /usr/bin/passwd I can't login as root :( is it possible change this without going to physical machine and boot from LiveCD? I

Re: OT: sponge burning!

2007-02-25 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/25/07 18:31, s. keeling wrote: Roberto C. Sanchez [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Sun, Feb 25, 2007 at 11:14:05AM -0800, Michael M. wrote: [snip] Every time I see men fighting about abortion, I wonder who the are they to tell women what to do

Re: have I messed up package management?

2007-02-25 Thread Steve Kleene
References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Sun Feb 25 16:15:46 2007, I wrote: What I did was to put in alsa-base 1.0.14-rc1 from Debian experimental and alsa-lib and alsa-driver 1.0.14rc2 from source. I made deb files of these two but couldn't install them that way

Re: xserver-xorg memory leak

2007-02-25 Thread Kamaraju S Kusumanchi
Bill Moseley wrote: Every once in a while my desktop machine becomes unresponsive and top shows that Xorg is using all my memory. Are there any errors in the log files such as /var/log/Xorg.0.log ? What is your video card, what driver are you using? Are you tracking etch or sid? raju --

Re: REALLY OT: News Flash

2007-02-25 Thread Michael M.
On Sun, 2007-02-25 at 17:20 -0500, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: Sorry. He made a number of unsubstianted claims, including that athiests are somehow superior because they are all enlightened. He claims that religious people are stupid and basically use ancient texts are a crutch. Nevermind

Re: REALLY OT: News Flash

2007-02-25 Thread Michael M.
On Sun, 2007-02-25 at 17:14 -0500, Michael Pobega wrote: I've only used Mutt for a day or so now, and I like to do more productive things with my time than learn random acronyms. But thanks for filling me in, that's one I'll be sure to not forget. Sometimes I think Linux is nothing but

Re: have I messed up package management?

2007-02-25 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/25/07 18:46, Steve Kleene wrote: References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Sun Feb 25 16:15:46 2007, I wrote: What I did was to put in alsa-base 1.0.14-rc1 from Debian experimental and alsa-lib and alsa-driver

Re: REALLY OT: News Flash

2007-02-25 Thread Cybe R. Wizard
Nigel Henry [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: To hell with it . In the next 2 hours I'll be off this list, and if anyone asks I will not suggest they subscribe to it. answers to debian questions, yes, but not on this list. Nigel. What a shame that your impatience will disallow you access to the

Re: REALLY OT: News Flash

2007-02-25 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/25/07 19:31, Michael M. wrote: On Sun, 2007-02-25 at 17:20 -0500, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: [snip] I don't mean to imply that that is an inferior position, but I do mean to imply that it means theists are far more likely than atheists to feel

Re: REALLY OT: News Flash

2007-02-25 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/25/07 19:40, Michael M. wrote: On Sun, 2007-02-25 at 17:14 -0500, Michael Pobega wrote: I've only used Mutt for a day or so now, and I like to do more productive things with my time than learn random acronyms. But thanks for filling me in,

Re: OT: sponge burning!

2007-02-25 Thread Michael M.
On Sun, 2007-02-25 at 19:08 -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: All the time we (i.e., us, through the government) tell people what they can and can not do with their own bodies. For example, the members of the NYC Board of Health who in December voted to not let us eat transfats in restaurants are

Re: a dumb query? pls humor me

2007-02-25 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Sun, Feb 25, 2007 at 05:29:54PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: On 02/25/07 16:25, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: On Sun, Feb 25, 2007 at 04:20:21PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: No, you're a wimp for not having them hike from the car-drivable road to the campsite. ;) Oh. Right. We have done

Re: We need an off-topic list (was Re: REALLY OT: News Flash)

2007-02-25 Thread Cybe R. Wizard
Steve Lamb [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Tyler MacDonald wrote: ... OT spam that's coming along with it (and currently increasing in velocity)! No, it's not. This is normal. In fact ask any crusty ol' Debian fart who's been around for almost a decade (hi!) how predictable the deluge of

Re: We need an off-topic list (was Re: REALLY OT: News Flash)

2007-02-25 Thread Cybe R. Wizard
Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/25/07 16:34, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: On Sun, Feb 25, 2007 at 11:27:34PM +0100, Joe Hart wrote: [snip] Do you *really* want to things to get out of hand? If so, just start spouting off about

Re: REALLY OT: News Flash

2007-02-25 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Sun, Feb 25, 2007 at 03:04:57PM -0800, Steve Lamb wrote: But you missed the point, Roberto. A Christian who thinks that *his* god and not someone else's god (or no god at all) is in control of all things is asserting his control by proxy. Look at it from the Atheist's point of view,

Re: REALLY OT: News Flash

2007-02-25 Thread Steve Lamb
Ron Johnson wrote: My, aren't we the close-minded literalist. Actually, I'm not. I just have to deal with the close-minded literalists. Remember, we've already had one person in this thread, in this thread line, say that if the Bible says it, he believes it. That's the problem when

Re: REALLY OT: News Flash

2007-02-25 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Sun, Feb 25, 2007 at 03:08:23PM -0800, Steve Lamb wrote: Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: He claims that religious people are stupid and basically use ancient texts are a crutch. Well, don't you? I mean you cherry pick the nice bits and reject the nasty. *I* don't. I can't speak

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