how to filter out testing or stable from installed package

2007-12-05 Thread H.H. Ding
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 hi list I config my sources list both in stable and testing, now I want to know which package installed on my host is from stable and with is from testing. How can I know it? many thanks. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32)

Re: Syncable finance app?

2007-12-05 Thread John Miller
Dave Thayer wrote: > On Tue, Dec 04, 2007 at 02:15:56AM -0500, John Miller wrote: > >> There are plenty of personal finance applications out there for Linux >> (GNUCash, gAcc, etc.), but with all of them, you must make entries on your >> PC. When I eat out at a restaurant, I'd like to be able

Re: apt-get mirrors

2007-12-05 Thread David Fox
On 12/5/07, Iuri Sampaio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian etch main contrib non-free > deb http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US etch/non-US main contrib There hasn't been a non-us repository in debian for quite some time. As such, I would simply remove

Re: Preferred Backup Method?

2007-12-05 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Wed, Dec 05, 2007 at 07:39:28PM -0500, Michael Pobega wrote: > Very nice. I'll be trying this when I get home; Although before I > attempt this I'll probably attempt to install OpenBSD on my other > laptop -- But that's a whole 'nother story. Big hint: read the OpenBSD faq from the website (

Re: Preferred Backup Method?

2007-12-05 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Thu, Dec 06, 2007 at 04:15:43AM +0100, s. keeling wrote: > David Brodbeck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > > On Dec 5, 2007, at 6:52 AM, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: > > > Please don't call this the "Usual Python error recovery problems". > > > Python allows you to trap all the errors it could discover.

Re: exim4 config - what EXACTLY is "final destination"

2007-12-05 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Wed, Dec 05, 2007 at 06:21:26PM -0800, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: > On Wed, Dec 05, 2007 at 01:47:33PM -0600, Bob Goldberg wrote: > > running debian etch w/ exim 4. > > > > I want to setup exim to receive internet email, and accept/relay ONLY emails > > to a recipient listed in a text file, o

Re: permissions in general (WAS: Re: permissions in /sbin)

2007-12-05 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Wed, Dec 05, 2007 at 04:58:59PM +0100, Martin Marcher wrote: > On 12/4/07, andy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > ls -l /sbin is all > > > > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root ... > > I understand this issue. What I don't get is why it seems to be the > overall default that others may read and execute files

Re: Preferred Backup Method?

2007-12-05 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Wed, Dec 05, 2007 at 09:17:15AM -0800, David Brodbeck wrote: > > On Dec 5, 2007, at 6:52 AM, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: > >Please don't call this the "Usual Python error recovery problems". > >Python allows you to trap all the errors it could discover. You just > >have to wrap everything in a try

Re: exim - what is it? (how does it run)

2007-12-05 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Wed, Dec 05, 2007 at 06:26:38PM -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > At the end of all this research, I STILL find myself trying to > diagnose why my router isn't working; and it's a pretty darn simple > router at that. getting useful error messages out of exim debug is > worthless. > > So I thou

Re: Preferred Backup Method?

2007-12-05 Thread s. keeling
David Brodbeck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > On Dec 5, 2007, at 6:52 AM, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: > > Please don't call this the "Usual Python error recovery problems". > > Python allows you to trap all the errors it could discover. You just > > have to wrap everything in a try block. So if you're ge

Re: exim - what is it? (how does it run)

2007-12-05 Thread bobg . hahc
On Dec 5, 8:00 pm, "Sergio Cuéllar Valdés" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 2007/12/5, Bob Goldberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > What exactly IS exim? > > > IOW: when I setup sendmail, I'm working with bash scripts. > > > when I setup an exim conf file - what exactly runs it? perl? > > Hello, > > you shoul

Re: Preferred Backup Method?

2007-12-05 Thread s. keeling
Ralph Katz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On 12/04/2007 05:19 PM, Michael Pobega wrote: > > On Tue, Dec 04, 2007 at 04:04:47PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > >> On 12/04/07 15:09, Michael Pobega wrote: > >>> What is d-u's preferred method of backups? Now that I'm running servers > >>> on my system (Apache, M

Re: exim4 config - what EXACTLY is "final destination"

2007-12-05 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Wed, Dec 05, 2007 at 01:47:33PM -0600, Bob Goldberg wrote: > running debian etch w/ exim 4. > > I want to setup exim to receive internet email, and accept/relay ONLY emails > to a recipient listed in a text file, on to my exchange server. It will not > send any outbound email. I think I've fig

Re: Preferred Backup Method?

2007-12-05 Thread Michael Pobega
On Wed, Dec 05, 2007 at 03:35:46PM -0800, David Brodbeck wrote: > > On Dec 5, 2007, at 3:16 PM, Michael Pobega wrote: >> tar cvvf foo.tar bar | ssh [EMAIL PROTECTED] "cat > foo.tar" >> >> Or am I doing it wrong (I most likely am)? I've never done any sort of >> piping through SSH before, so any sor

Re: exim - what is it? (how does it run)

2007-12-05 Thread Sergio Cuéllar Valdés
2007/12/5, Bob Goldberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > i've spent DAYS trying to get exim to work to no avail. > > so let me start at the beginning. > > What exactly IS exim? > > IOW: when I setup sendmail, I'm working with bash scripts. > > when I setup an exim conf file - what exactly runs it? perl? He

exim - what is it? (how does it run)

2007-12-05 Thread Bob Goldberg
i've spent DAYS trying to get exim to work to no avail. so let me start at the beginning. What exactly IS exim? IOW: when I setup sendmail, I'm working with bash scripts. when I setup an exim conf file - what exactly runs it? perl?

Re: Can not read some messages with signature in mutt

2007-12-05 Thread Michael Pobega
On Wed, Dec 05, 2007 at 11:57:18PM +, Benjamin M. A'Lee wrote: > On Wed, Dec 05, 2007 at 06:13:57PM -0500, Michael Pobega wrote: > > On Wed, Dec 05, 2007 at 11:54:52PM +0200, Andrei Popescu wrote: > > > On Wed, Dec 05, 2007 at 04:26:38PM +0100, Misko wrote: > > > > > > > Just now I found new

Re: Preferred Backup Method?

2007-12-05 Thread Michael Pobega
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, Dec 05, 2007 at 03:35:46PM -0800, David Brodbeck wrote: > > On Dec 5, 2007, at 3:16 PM, Michael Pobega wrote: >> tar cvvf foo.tar bar | ssh [EMAIL PROTECTED] "cat > foo.tar" >> >> Or am I doing it wrong (I most likely am)? I've never done any s

Re: SUDO

2007-12-05 Thread Michael Pobega
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, Dec 04, 2007 at 09:10:45AM -0500, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: > On Mon, Dec 03, 2007 at 11:47:54AM -0500, Michael Pobega wrote: > > > Using sudo the way Jostein suggested is just as open to problems as > > logging in as root is, and should be avo

Re: SUDO

2007-12-05 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Tue, Dec 04, 2007 at 10:51:29PM -0500, Celejar wrote: > On Tue, 4 Dec 2007 09:10:45 -0500 > "Douglas A. Tutty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > [snip] > > > 3. Choose a different game. > > Can you recommend anything in Debian as good as Wesnoth? [Yes, Nethack > is incomparable, but sti

Re: Can not read some messages with signature in mutt

2007-12-05 Thread Benjamin M. A'Lee
On Wed, Dec 05, 2007 at 06:13:57PM -0500, Michael Pobega wrote: > On Wed, Dec 05, 2007 at 11:54:52PM +0200, Andrei Popescu wrote: > > On Wed, Dec 05, 2007 at 04:26:38PM +0100, Misko wrote: > > > > > Just now I found new way to read Michael's emails: > > > first pressing 'v' to see attachment and

Re: Preferred Backup Method?

2007-12-05 Thread David Brodbeck
On Dec 5, 2007, at 3:16 PM, Michael Pobega wrote: tar cvvf foo.tar bar | ssh [EMAIL PROTECTED] "cat > foo.tar" Or am I doing it wrong (I most likely am)? I've never done any sort of piping through SSH before, so any sort of help would be appreciated. You're close. Try this: tar cvvf - bar |

Re: Preferred Backup Method?

2007-12-05 Thread Michael Pobega
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, Dec 05, 2007 at 03:33:25PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > On 12/05/07 15:26, Michael Pobega wrote: > > On Wed, Dec 05, 2007 at 03:21:20PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > >> On 12/05/07 10:12, Michael Pobega wrote: > >>> On Tue, Dec 04, 2007 at 08:29:0

Re: Can not read some messages with signature in mutt

2007-12-05 Thread Michael Pobega
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, Dec 05, 2007 at 11:54:52PM +0200, Andrei Popescu wrote: > On Wed, Dec 05, 2007 at 04:26:38PM +0100, Misko wrote: > > > Just now I found new way to read Michael's emails: > > first pressing 'v' to see attachment and than with enter I can > > r

Re: Preferred Backup Method?

2007-12-05 Thread andy
Bill Smith wrote: andy wrote: David Brodbeck wrote: On Dec 5, 2007, at 8:12 AM, Michael Pobega wrote: I'm trying to write a shell script to use tar for backups, but I want to know; Which directories are nessecary to backup with tar and which aren't? Obviously /bin, /usr, /home, /boot, /lib

Re: Can not read some messages with signature in mutt

2007-12-05 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Wed, Dec 05, 2007 at 04:26:38PM +0100, Misko wrote: > Just now I found new way to read Michael's emails: > first pressing 'v' to see attachment and than with enter I can > read his message. What I noticed with this process is that > Michael's messages has only one attachment: > I 1

Re: Preferred Backup Method?

2007-12-05 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 12/05/07 15:26, Michael Pobega wrote: > On Wed, Dec 05, 2007 at 03:21:20PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: >> On 12/05/07 10:12, Michael Pobega wrote: >>> On Tue, Dec 04, 2007 at 08:29:03PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: >> [snip] Plain old "date"? No.

Re: Preferred Backup Method?

2007-12-05 Thread Michael Pobega
On Wed, Dec 05, 2007 at 03:21:20PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > On 12/05/07 10:12, Michael Pobega wrote: > > On Tue, Dec 04, 2007 at 08:29:03PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > [snip] > >> Plain old "date"? No. I prefer `date +%y%m%d.%H%M`. > > > > > > I'm trying to write a shell script to use tar fo

Re: Preferred Backup Method?

2007-12-05 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 12/05/07 10:12, Michael Pobega wrote: > On Tue, Dec 04, 2007 at 08:29:03PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: [snip] >> Plain old "date"? No. I prefer `date +%y%m%d.%H%M`. > > > I'm trying to write a shell script to use tar for backups, but I want to > k

Re: OT: Socket A motherboard

2007-12-05 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 12/05/07 05:44, Cassiano Bertol Leal wrote: > Ron Johnson wrote: >> On 12/04/07 11:30, Cassiano Bertol Leal wrote: >>> Ron Johnson wrote: On 12/03/07 20:59, Sam Leon wrote: > Ron Johnson wrote: >> And *none* will have SATA. >> >

Re: Debian installer support on apt-cacher-ng

2007-12-05 Thread Michael Pobega
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, Dec 05, 2007 at 12:33:30PM -0500, Joey Hess wrote: > Michael Pobega wrote: > > ftp.debian.org is no longer in use > > Incorrect, ftp.debian.org is just as much in use as it has ever been, as > yet another mirror of the Debian archive. > I me

Re: Can not read some messages with signature in mutt

2007-12-05 Thread Wayne Topa
Misko([EMAIL PROTECTED]) is reported to have said: > On Tue, Dec 04, 2007 at 02:22:25PM -0800, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: > > > I'm guessing GPG is not setup on your computer. Try setting > > > crypt_verify_sig to no. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Andrei > > > P.S. Deliberately not signed to make

Re: gecko engine crashes after today's update

2007-12-05 Thread Celejar
On Wed, 05 Dec 2007 08:55:00 -0600 Yevgen Yampolskiy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello, > > Can anybody tell me where I should file bug reports for gecko engine? > It crashes all the time after today's update (debian unstable). > > Unfortunately, I don't know how to see update history. Is ther

Mount doesn't follow symbolik links on SAMBA, but Nautilus does

2007-12-05 Thread Cassiano Bertol Leal
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, I have a problem with a Samba share at work. The share has some symbolic links to directories that are not shared. If I mount the share via 'mount -t smbfs', these links don't work. If I access this same share via Nautilus with 'smb://...', I can

Re: SUDO

2007-12-05 Thread Celejar
On Tue, 4 Dec 2007 09:10:45 -0500 "Douglas A. Tutty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [snip] > 3. Choose a different game. Can you recommend anything in Debian as good as Wesnoth? [Yes, Nethack is incomparable, but still ...] Celejar -- mailmin.sourceforge.net - remote access via secure (O

Re: cdrom not working after kernel update

2007-12-05 Thread Celejar
[back on list] [please do not top-post] On Tue, 4 Dec 2007 04:37:49 -0800 (PST) tharanga Wijethilake <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > Thank you very much for the advice. and as you said in the reply > I compared the two config files and figure out that following part is missing > from the c

exim4 config - what EXACTLY is "final destination"

2007-12-05 Thread Bob Goldberg
running debian etch w/ exim 4. I want to setup exim to receive internet email, and accept/relay ONLY emails to a recipient listed in a text file, on to my exchange server. It will not send any outbound email. I've been having a heck of a time getting this to work. been trying to edit config files

apt-get mirrors

2007-12-05 Thread Iuri Sampaio
Hi, What did happen with debian etch official mirrors? I can't access the followed mirrors: deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian etch main contrib non-free deb http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US etch/non-US main contrib non-free deb http://security.debian.org etch/updates mai

Re: Preferred Backup Method?

2007-12-05 Thread Bill Smith
andy wrote: David Brodbeck wrote: On Dec 5, 2007, at 8:12 AM, Michael Pobega wrote: I'm trying to write a shell script to use tar for backups, but I want to know; Which directories are nessecary to backup with tar and which aren't? Obviously /bin, /usr, /home, /boot, /lib, /srv (Where I kee

Re: permissions in general (WAS: Re: permissions in /sbin)

2007-12-05 Thread David Brodbeck
On Dec 5, 2007, at 9:57 AM, Martin Marcher wrote: But since *nix has a history of being secure because a user/process can't by default destroy any data besides the data one/it owns. Why not take that one further and require explicit permission to even run a program that can potentially destroy d

Re: permissions in general

2007-12-05 Thread John Hasler
Martin Marcher wrote: > Why not take that one further and require explicit permission to even run > a program that can potentially destroy data? There are few useful programs without the potential to destroy data. > Why not take that one further and require explicit permission to run > _any_ prog

Re: permissions in general (WAS: Re: permissions in /sbin)

2007-12-05 Thread Joey Hess
Martin Marcher wrote: > /usr/bin/perl > /usr/bin/wget > /bin/tar How about /bin/cat, which can be used to transfer copies of any of these onto the system? > * Why not take that one further and require explicit permission to run > _any_ program? Because then you have a web server with some CGIs.

Re: Test (and really annoyed)

2007-12-05 Thread Nigel Henry
On Wednesday 05 December 2007 19:02, Nigel Henry wrote: > Just a test ,as I've just had 3 replies to mailing list refused, as below. > > - These recipients of your message have been processed by the mail server: > debian-user@lists.debian.org; Failed; 5.1.1 (bad destination mailbox > address) > >

Test (and really annoyed)

2007-12-05 Thread Nigel Henry
Just a test ,as I've just had 3 replies to mailing list refused, as below. - These recipients of your message have been processed by the mail server: debian-user@lists.debian.org; Failed; 5.1.1 (bad destination mailbox address) Remote MTA liszt.debian.org: SMTP diagnostic: 550 5.7.1 : Recip

Re: Preferred Backup Method?

2007-12-05 Thread andy
David Brodbeck wrote: On Dec 5, 2007, at 8:12 AM, Michael Pobega wrote: I'm trying to write a shell script to use tar for backups, but I want to know; Which directories are nessecary to backup with tar and which aren't? Obviously /bin, /usr, /home, /boot, /lib, /srv (Where I keep all of my chr

Re: permissions in general (WAS: Re: permissions in /sbin)

2007-12-05 Thread Martin Marcher
On 12/5/07, Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Martin Marcher wrote: > > So the user needs to get a precompiled gcc somewhere. > > Then she would need to get all the header files necessary > > Then she needs to get the source. > > Then the quota is full... :) > > Most systems come with perl. Pe

Re: Debian installer support on apt-cacher-ng

2007-12-05 Thread Javi
On Dec 5, 5:40 pm, Michael Pobega <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > ftp.debian.org is no longer in use, use a local mirror (Or use apt-spy > to find the fastest mirror for you) Sorry, I meant ftp.fi.debian.org Thanks for your quick answer -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subje

Re: Debian installer support on apt-cacher-ng

2007-12-05 Thread Joey Hess
Michael Pobega wrote: > ftp.debian.org is no longer in use Incorrect, ftp.debian.org is just as much in use as it has ever been, as yet another mirror of the Debian archive. -- see shy jo signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: permissions in general (WAS: Re: permissions in /sbin)

2007-12-05 Thread Joey Hess
Martin Marcher wrote: > So the user needs to get a precompiled gcc somewhere. > Then she would need to get all the header files necessary > Then she needs to get the source. > Then the quota is full... :) Most systems come with perl. Perl can do anything any non-suid program in /sbin can do. Most

Re: permissions in /sbin

2007-12-05 Thread David Brodbeck
On Dec 5, 2007, at 5:51 AM, John Hasler wrote: andy writes: OK - but according to RUTE sbin = "Superuser binary executables. The "s" is for "system", not for "superuser". These are programs for system administration only. Only the root will have these executables in their path" ("Rute User

Re: Preferred Backup Method?

2007-12-05 Thread David Brodbeck
On Dec 5, 2007, at 8:12 AM, Michael Pobega wrote: I'm trying to write a shell script to use tar for backups, but I want to know; Which directories are nessecary to backup with tar and which aren't? Obviously /bin, /usr, /home, /boot, /lib, /srv (Where I keep all of my chroots) and /etc are,

Re: Preferred Backup Method?

2007-12-05 Thread David Brodbeck
On Dec 5, 2007, at 6:52 AM, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: Please don't call this the "Usual Python error recovery problems". Python allows you to trap all the errors it could discover. You just have to wrap everything in a try block. So if you're getting error messages in a stack trace, then call it

Re: rsync to clone disk - Can it work? grub-install error

2007-12-05 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Wed, Dec 05, 2007 at 11:31:17AM -0500, chloe K wrote: > thank you Andrew > > this is my mistake. the tmp folder is missing > > grub-install is fine :) A signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: UPS

2007-12-05 Thread David Brodbeck
On Dec 5, 2007, at 4:11 AM, Tom Allison wrote: seems that APC owners are either dominant to the Debian users list or just the kind of fanatic to answer an email about their UPS. I have a Belkin (lame) and a TrippLite (not so lame) that are both "dumb" and I might keep for the VCR/Tivo/TV s

Re: UPS

2007-12-05 Thread David Brodbeck
On Dec 5, 2007, at 4:07 AM, Tom Allison wrote: APC has two model lines. Their BackUPS models give you basic functionality and a contact-closure interface for power failure and low battery alerts. Configuration is by DIP switches. Their SmartUPS line adds scheduled self-tests, voltage bu

Re: permissions in general (WAS: Re: permissions in /sbin)

2007-12-05 Thread Martin Marcher
On 12/5/07, Mike Bird <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I guess it's more a historical reason that others can r+x most of the > > system but I can see a lot of benefits in denying others by default > > (of course there's a lot of work involved to migrate from the current > > permission schema that's a

Re: permissions in general (WAS: Re: permissions in /sbin)

2007-12-05 Thread Martin Marcher
Hi, On 12/5/07, Nyizsnyik Ferenc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, 5 Dec 2007 16:58:59 +0100 > "Martin Marcher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > /bin root:users rwxr-x--- > > /sbin root:adm rwxr-x--- > > /usr/bin root:users rwxr-x--- > > /usr/sbin root:adm rwxr-x--- > > I do get your idea, but ha

Re: permissions in general (WAS: Re: permissions in /sbin)

2007-12-05 Thread Mike Bird
On Wednesday 05 December 2007 07:58:59 Martin Marcher wrote: > On 12/4/07, andy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > ls -l /sbin is all > > > > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root ... > > I understand this issue. What I don't get is why it seems to be the > overall default that others may read and execute files in

Re: rsync to clone disk - Can it work? grub-install error

2007-12-05 Thread chloe K
thank you Andrew this is my mistake. the tmp folder is missing grub-install is fine thank you Andrew Sackville-West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Wed, Dec 05, 2007 at 09:43:16AM -0500, chloe K wrote: > > > Andrew Sackville-West wrote: On Tue, Dec 04, 2007 at 02:56:57PM -0500, chloe > K wr

Re: permissions in general (WAS: Re: permissions in /sbin)

2007-12-05 Thread Nyizsnyik Ferenc
On Wed, 5 Dec 2007 16:58:59 +0100 "Martin Marcher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > jumping in. > > On 12/4/07, andy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > ls -l /sbin is all > > > > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root ... > > I understand this issue. What I don't get is why it seems to be the > overall defau

Re: Can not read some messages with signature in mutt

2007-12-05 Thread Misko
On Tue, Dec 04, 2007 at 02:22:25PM -0800, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: > > I'm guessing GPG is not setup on your computer. Try setting > > crypt_verify_sig to no. > > > > Regards, > > Andrei > > P.S. Deliberately not signed to make it easier for you to read it ;) > > that spoils the fun... I was

Re: Preferred Backup Method?

2007-12-05 Thread Michael Pobega
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, Dec 04, 2007 at 08:29:03PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > On 12/04/07 16:19, Michael Pobega wrote: > > On Tue, Dec 04, 2007 at 04:04:47PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > >> On 12/04/07 15:09, Michael Pobega wrote: > >>> What is d-u's preferred method

Re: Debian installer support on apt-cacher-ng

2007-12-05 Thread Michael Pobega
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, Dec 05, 2007 at 07:20:45AM -0800, Javi wrote: > Hello, > > I tried to install apt-cacher-ng (0.1.6). It works nice for xen-tools > and like repository for my sources.list, but when I configure debian > installer to use "apt_cacher_ng_IP:3142"

Re: Preferred Backup Method?

2007-12-05 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Tue, Dec 04, 2007 at 04:22:42PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > On 12/04/07 16:01, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: > [snip] > > > > less frequent burn to tiny CD-R to fit in the Bank's Safety Deposit Box. > > > > Before I go away anywhere (i.e. out of town), I copy the most important > > of the backup to

Re: permissions in /sbin

2007-12-05 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Wed, Dec 05, 2007 at 07:51:55AM -0600, John Hasler wrote: > andy writes: > > OK - but according to RUTE sbin = "Superuser binary executables. > > The "s" is for "system", not for "superuser". > > > These are programs for system administration only. Only the root will > > have these executables

Re: random keystrokes ignored on console

2007-12-05 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Tue, Dec 04, 2007 at 07:51:30PM -0600, Owen Heisler wrote: > On Sat, 2007.12.01 20:33, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: > > On Thu, Nov 29, 2007 at 09:32:52PM -0600, Owen Heisler wrote: > > > Sometimes, when I type in the console, about 40% of the keystrokes are > > > ignored. > > > If I type (for exa

Re: Restore menus after FS problem

2007-12-05 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Tue, Dec 04, 2007 at 05:32:36PM -0500, David Bruce wrote: > After a power outage triggering the need for fsck on several partitions, it > appears the KDE menus got hosed - many entries no longer have a command > associated with them, specifically all of the KDE apps. I can't find any > other

Re: Preferred Backup Method?

2007-12-05 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Tue, Dec 04, 2007 at 03:22:48PM -0800, David Brodbeck wrote: > What's your experience with rdiff-backup been? When I tried it I > found it way too fragile to be a viable backup solution. If the > backup was interrupted for any reason, it would corrupt the history > data, and all future

Re: Preferred Backup Method?

2007-12-05 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Tue, Dec 04, 2007 at 05:19:48PM -0500, Michael Pobega wrote: > Just `tar -cvvf backup-`date`.tar /`? Is it really that simple? You don't need to backup the whole /. I have a file called backuplist: /etc/ /usr/local/ /root/ /var/local/ /home/ and I have a file called excludelist: /var/local

Re: Slow access speeds for backup server

2007-12-05 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Tue, Dec 04, 2007 at 08:50:16PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > On 12/04/07 19:57, Duncan McDonald wrote: > > > > I run a small network with a primary and secondary debian server which > > access the net through a debian router. The debian router serves 3 > > separate intranets and like the servers

Re: Preferred Backup Method?

2007-12-05 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Tue, Dec 04, 2007 at 05:19:48PM -0500, Michael Pobega wrote: > I have another laptop sitting around with a 60GB HDD; Could I use that > as a backup? Sure. Note, however, that if that's you're only backup, and the only use for that laptop, that since the drive is small compared to the source

Re: How to mount .iso file from NFS share?

2007-12-05 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Wed, Dec 05, 2007 at 03:34:15PM +0100, misiek_spam wrote: > > On Dec 5, 15:20 "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Maybe file permission. I mean, on remote filesystem, the file > > belongs to, say, user 1002. But locally you are user 1001. Check > > this out... > > > But I

permissions in general (WAS: Re: permissions in /sbin)

2007-12-05 Thread Martin Marcher
Hi, jumping in. On 12/4/07, andy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > ls -l /sbin is all > > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root ... I understand this issue. What I don't get is why it seems to be the overall default that others may read and execute files in most cases. To me it would make sense to have something

Re: rsync to clone disk - Can it work? grub-install error

2007-12-05 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Wed, Dec 05, 2007 at 09:43:16AM -0500, chloe K wrote: > > > Andrew Sackville-West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Tue, Dec 04, 2007 at > 02:56:57PM -0500, chloe K wrote: > > Hi all > > > > I install etch in hda > > then I add the hdc which have same partition but not same size in hda > > > >

Debian installer support on apt-cacher-ng

2007-12-05 Thread Javi
Hello, I tried to install apt-cacher-ng (0.1.6). It works nice for xen-tools and like repository for my sources.list, but when I configure debian installer to use "apt_cacher_ng_IP:3142" and "ftp.debian.org/debian" like base directory, it didn't work debian installer says it couldn't find reposit

gecko engine crashes after today's update

2007-12-05 Thread Yevgen Yampolskiy
Hello, Can anybody tell me where I should file bug reports for gecko engine? It crashes all the time after today's update (debian unstable). Unfortunately, I don't know how to see update history. Is there any way to see which packages I've updated today? Best, Yevgen. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, ema

Re: Preferred Backup Method?

2007-12-05 Thread Larry Irwin
Michael Pobega wrote: What is d-u's preferred method of backups? We have 300+ Linux servers in the field that we support. We use BackupEdge from www.microlite.com Our tech support staff has handled crashed systems very easily using their RecoverEdge bare metal recovery utilities since we start

Re: OT: SATA Backplanes drivebays and caddies

2007-12-05 Thread Bob
Bob wrote: Sorry for the OT post but I know a few round here are well informed on the storage industry. I'm just about to migrate a bunch of PCs to SATA from IDE as the IDE drive caddies are failing [0] and I already have my server and a few PCs using SATA, what I'm looking for is a drivebay

Re: Preferred Backup Method?

2007-12-05 Thread bruno
Michael Pobega wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 What is d-u's preferred method of backups? Now that I'm running servers on my system (Apache, MySQL, SSH, etc.) I need to find a good method of backing up, because no matter how much security someone has things may still go wron

Re: rsync to clone disk - Can it work? grub-install error

2007-12-05 Thread chloe K
Andrew Sackville-West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Tue, Dec 04, 2007 at 02:56:57PM -0500, chloe K wrote: > Hi all > > I install etch in hda > then I add the hdc which have same partition but not same size in hda > > /dev/hda1 /boot > /dev/hda2 /swap > /dev/hda3 / > > i use rsync to copy data

Re: How to mount .iso file from NFS share?

2007-12-05 Thread misiek_spam
On Dec 5, 15:20 "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Maybe file permission. I mean, on remote filesystem, the file belongs > to, say, user 1002. But locally you are user 1001. Check this out... > But I can access the file - as a user. However the user cannot mount .iso - it requir

Re: permissions in /sbin

2007-12-05 Thread John Hasler
andy writes: > OK - but according to RUTE sbin = "Superuser binary executables. The "s" is for "system", not for "superuser". > These are programs for system administration only. Only the root will > have these executables in their path" ("Rute User's Tutorial & > Exposition", Paul Sheer, 2002; p

Re: UPS

2007-12-05 Thread Tom Allison
seems that APC owners are either dominant to the Debian users list or just the kind of fanatic to answer an email about their UPS. I have a Belkin (lame) and a TrippLite (not so lame) that are both "dumb" and I might keep for the VCR/Tivo/TV stuff. But it seems that APC is the clear favorite

Re: UPS

2007-12-05 Thread Tom Allison
APC has two model lines. Their BackUPS models give you basic functionality and a contact-closure interface for power failure and low battery alerts. Configuration is by DIP switches. Their SmartUPS line adds scheduled self-tests, voltage buck/boost, and the ability to read line voltage,

Re: OT: Socket A motherboard

2007-12-05 Thread Cassiano Bertol Leal
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Cassiano Bertol Leal wrote: > Ron Johnson wrote: >> On 12/04/07 11:30, Cassiano Bertol Leal wrote: >>> Ron Johnson wrote: On 12/03/07 20:59, Sam Leon wrote: > Ron Johnson wrote: >> And *none* will have SATA. >> > Do you mean sataII

Re: UPS

2007-12-05 Thread Hugo Vanwoerkom
Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: Nate Duehr wrote: Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: My Back-UPS LS 500 is in need of a battery. How do I go about finding that locally? I.e what does one ask for? I know the battery it has and that is not sold locally. I don't know the physical layout of the LS 500, but the pack

Re: UPS

2007-12-05 Thread Hugo Vanwoerkom
David Brodbeck wrote: On Dec 4, 2007, at 2:36 PM, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: Nate that's a very complete answer. Let me try to apply that to Oaxaca, Mexico. Thanks! I can't provide any specific advice, because I don't live there. But given the amount of manufacturing that goes on in Mexico thes

Re: OT: Socket A motherboard

2007-12-05 Thread Cassiano Bertol Leal
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ron Johnson wrote: > On 12/04/07 11:30, Cassiano Bertol Leal wrote: >> Ron Johnson wrote: >>> On 12/03/07 20:59, Sam Leon wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: > And *none* will have SATA. > Do you mean sataII? There are alot of socket A boards

How to find the font?

2007-12-05 Thread Jan Willem Stumpel
This question is not Debian-specific. I am working in X (not in "text mode"), and some text is displayed in some application; e.g. in iceweasel, but it could be something else. So a part of my screen is filled with some text, in some font, or in various fonts. Is there any way to find out which f

aacraid and smp kernel: SCSI hang

2007-12-05 Thread Kostas Magkos
Greetings all, Our main server is an Opteron system with an Adaptec SATA RAID 2410SA controller and 4x 250GB Seagate Barracuda disks attached to it, forming a RAID-5 and a RAID-0 container. The system is running sarge with the latest 2.6.8 kernel (2.6.8-13-amd64-k8). We recently upgraded the serv

Re: fglrx-driver 8.43.2-1 doesnt detect FireGL5200 on Thinkpad Z61p

2007-12-05 Thread Bruno Voigt
Anthony Campbell wrote: > On 03 Dec 2007, Bruno Voigt wrote: > >> robin putters wrote: >> >>> Not yet, but work has started on 2D acceleration, and the driver is >>> developing rapidly. In a couple of months(weeks?) time, you will have >>> much better driver than vesa ever was, and probably

pam module (pam_exec)

2007-12-05 Thread Anthony BERGER
hi, I wonder why the pam module pam_exec is not present in the package pam-modules (etch). I would need this to test if a central authentication server (openldap) is present or not in order to bypass the ldap authentication in case of it is unavailable : the failover is very very long if the

ntpd restart on IP address change the Debian way

2007-12-05 Thread Bob
Is there such a thing? When my firewall / dhcp server / ntp server gets a fresh IP address from my ISP the ntp daemon stops responding to requests. This is a well know bug [0] and there are a lot of posts about it but no consensus on a work around. Any help? Thanks [0] it's so old a well

Re: fglrx-driver 8.43.2-1 doesnt detect FireGL5200 on Thinkpad Z61p

2007-12-05 Thread Anthony Campbell
On 03 Dec 2007, Bruno Voigt wrote: > robin putters wrote: > > Not yet, but work has started on 2D acceleration, and the driver is > > developing rapidly. In a couple of months(weeks?) time, you will have > > much better driver than vesa ever was, and probably better in 2D than > > fglrx. And you wi