On 8/30/13, Phi Debian wrote:
> Hi Zeenan,
>
> I can not contribute in this area for two reasons, I am not
> knowledgeable in the X11, DM area, and my duties leave me little
> cycles to ramp this knowledge up.
If you have any cycles, I, and I am sure others, will be pleased to
assist with a littl
Hi Zeenan,
I can not contribute in this area for two reasons, I am not
knowledgeable in the X11, DM area, and my duties leave me little
cycles to ramp this knowledge up.
An additional 'may be' reason is the total lack of starting point,
even the kernel when it panics gives some clues where to loo
On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 10:48 AM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
> On 8/29/2013 8:25 PM, Joel Rees wrote:
>>
>> [...]
> 3. Inheritance: the ability to extend an existing class, to provide
> additional or different functionality via additional messages in the derived
> class. Inheritance takes advantage of
On 8/30/13, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
> On 8/29/2013 8:25 PM, Joel Rees wrote:
>> On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 8:49 PM, Jerry Stuckle
>> wrote:
>>> On 8/29/2013 12:45 AM, Joel Rees wrote:
(I really don't have time to do this.)
On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 12:17 PM,
> [Somebody replied to some
On 8/30/13, Phi Debian wrote:
> Well I need to move forward and get a more recent linux as squeeze, I
> did try ubuntu and it worked, same vnc4server, got some cycle about
> how to eliminate unity, how to 'fallback' gnome and get my desktop
> customised my way. So as some said, watever works, I m
On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 09:25:31AM -0400, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>
> The problem with changing upstream code is it is not a one-shot
> deal. Changes must be investigated and applied every time a new
> version comes out, which means someone has to keep track of the
> changes which were done, and see
Hi Gary,
Thanx you for getting back to the original post :) while I admit I did
learn a bit of history about distro, display manager, etc... :)
Why I am using GUI on servers? Well because I am a big lazy man,
having done all my career on unix so far, and I don't have time to
learn all the CUI api
On 8/29/2013 8:25 PM, Joel Rees wrote:
On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 8:49 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
On 8/29/2013 12:45 AM, Joel Rees wrote:
(I really don't have time to do this.)
On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 12:17 PM,
[Somebody replied to somebody, arguing that C can't do objects.]
The syntax does
On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 06:15:32PM +0500, Muhammad Yousuf Khan wrote:
> what are the major differences btw the three OS.
> Debian, Solaris, Freebsd
> i know some command change and stuff. but architecture wise.
> like unix is propitiatory, and freebst is not not blah blah.
>
> but why one should c
On 8/30/13, Gary Dale wrote:
> On 27/08/13 01:50 AM, Phi Debian wrote:
>> I use debian and gnome since well the begining...
>> I have it on many nodes, but specially on some server, where many guests
>> run.
>> I was on squeeze sine the begining of squeeze, and decided to try wheezy.
>> I can cop
On 8/30/13, Johann Spies wrote:
> On 29 August 2013 12:54, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
>> On 8/29/13, Johann Spies wrote:
>> > On one I can paste (as in other enironments like LXDE, Gnome, KDE,
>> > XFCE)
>> > after selecting some part of the screen and then pressing the middle
>> button
>> > (mouse
On 8/30/13, Thomas H. George wrote:
> Problem: On initial bootup there is a message that gdm3 is not fully
> installed, probably a hardware problem. (The Gigabyte mb has onboard
> video AMD Radeon HD 6310 graphics)
>
> Problem: Despite bootup message classic gnome display appears and works
> but s
On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 8:49 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
> On 8/29/2013 12:45 AM, Joel Rees wrote:
>>
>> (I really don't have time to do this.)
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 12:17 PM,
>>>
>>> [Somebody replied to somebody, arguing that C can't do objects.]
>>
>>
>> The syntax does become obtuse, unfu
Zenaan Harkness wrote:
On 8/29/13, Muhammad Yousuf Khan wrote:
what are the major differences btw the three OS.
Debian, Solaris, Freebsd
I might consider Illumos/community-solaris, for using ZFS (eg for a
SAN) as backing for some other servers or desktops. btrfs and xfs are
catching up though
Netinst Wheezy with linux-image-3.2.0-4-amd64
Problem: On initial bootup there is a message that gdm3 is not fully
installed, probably a hardware problem. (The Gigabyte mb has onboard
video AMD Radeon HD 6310 graphics)
Problem: Despite bootup message classic gnome display appears and works
but sw
On 29 August 2013 12:54, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
> On 8/29/13, Johann Spies wrote:
> > I am experimenting with E17 as an alternative desktop environment on two
> > computers.
>
> Cool. I would like to hear if you have good experiences.
>
> > On one I can paste (as in other enironments like LXDE,
On 08/29/2013 09:20 AM, Wayne Topa wrote:
On 08/24/2013 08:51 PM, Michael S. Cox wrote:
On Sat, 2013-08-24 at 07:04 -0400, Jeff Bauer wrote:
Just out of curiosity, any Debian amateur radio operators care to ID?
73,
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On 27/08/13 01:50 AM, Phi Debian wrote:
Hi All,
I use debian and gnome since well the begining...
I have it on many nodes, but specially on some server, where many guests run.
I was on squeeze sine the begining of squeeze, and decided to try wheezy.
All the upgrade went smooth, and all worked l
On Thu 29 Aug 2013 at 20:46:35 +0300, Alexander Kapshuk wrote:
> Apologies for the delay in replying to all the posts sent in
> response to my original query.
>
> I would like to thank everyone for their input.
>
> Turns out, the 'physical ports' option in my modem's settings
> somehow got unsel
On Thu, 2013-08-29 at 20:14 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Thu, 2013-08-29 at 20:09 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> > On Thu, 2013-08-29 at 18:58 +0100, Joe wrote:
> > > Some of the English also like beer, and while German lagers are well
> > > respected, so are Belgian and Danish ones, and some of u
On Thu, 2013-08-29 at 20:09 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Thu, 2013-08-29 at 18:58 +0100, Joe wrote:
> > Some of the English also like beer, and while German lagers are well
> > respected, so are Belgian and Danish ones, and some of us prefer
> > unpasteurised bitters. Some even prefer fermented
On Thu, 2013-08-29 at 18:58 +0100, Joe wrote:
> Some of the English also like beer, and while German lagers are well
> respected, so are Belgian and Danish ones, and some of us prefer
> unpasteurised bitters. Some even prefer fermented apple juice...
Yes, some Danish beer and even some English/Iri
On Thu, 29 Aug 2013 18:52:24 +0200
Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Thu, 2013-08-29 at 13:54 +, Curt wrote:
> > Well, I knew you'd get religious about something if we pressed you
> > hard enough.
>
> You got me. Are you a questioning expert from the NSA? Beer in Germany
> is something very holy. We'
On 08/26/2013 02:55 PM, Curt wrote:
On 2013-08-25, Alexander Kapshuk wrote:
The line you suggested commenting out happens to have been commented out by
default.
Ditto here. Never touched the 'interfaces' file and it's commented out. I'm
using network manager (or whatever that gnom
Le 29/08/2013 15:25, Richard Owlett a écrit :
I'll be installing Debian 7.1 on two unrelated sets of machines. I
have no record of the cpu in any of the machines. Is there a utility
to identify the processors, particularly bus width. All machines
originally ran various 32 bit MS Windows incarna
On Thu, 29 Aug 2013 19:23:10 +0200
Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Thu, 2013-08-29 at 19:19 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> > I hate this notification thingy, that btw. doesn't inform you about
> > all incoming mails, but just of the once for your main account.
> > However, while I didn't installed the ori
On Thu, 2013-08-29 at 18:31 +0100, Sharon Kimble wrote:
> But what/where is the tray that holds the messages from the
> "notification-daemon", because that’s what I’m looking for.
I guess no tray is needed. For Xfce "notification area" is added to my
panel. Perhaps the daemon only works for gtk ba
On Thu, 29 Aug 2013 19:19:13 +0200
Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Thu, 2013-08-29 at 18:09 +0100, Sharon Kimble wrote:
> > On Thu, 29 Aug 2013 18:21:29 +0200
> > Jochen Spieker wrote:
> >
> > > Sharon Kimble:
> > > > Cinnamon and Gnome 3 both have a tray that holds all
> > > > notification messages u
On Thu, 2013-08-29 at 19:19 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> I hate this notification thingy, that btw. doesn't inform you about all
> incoming mails, but just of the once for your main account. However,
> while I didn't installed the original GNOME thingy, during testing
> Cinnamon and Mate I installe
On Thu, 2013-08-29 at 18:09 +0100, Sharon Kimble wrote:
> On Thu, 29 Aug 2013 18:21:29 +0200
> Jochen Spieker wrote:
>
> > Sharon Kimble:
> > > Cinnamon and Gnome 3 both have a tray that holds all notification
> > > messages until their read and deleted. These messages are ones like
> > > saying
On Thu, 29 Aug 2013 18:21:29 +0200
Jochen Spieker wrote:
> Sharon Kimble:
> > Cinnamon and Gnome 3 both have a tray that holds all notification
> > messages until their read and deleted. These messages are ones like
> > saying that your backup has just started, or you’ve got 3 new
> > emails, nic
On Thu, 2013-08-29 at 19:00 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> PS: I wouldn't install Debian's FreeBSD, test the "real" FreeBSD first.
PPS: The reason for this is, that there's a FreeBSD community and I
guess there is not a huge Debian GNU/kFreeBSD community, but I might be
mistaken.
http://www.debian.
PS: I wouldn't install Debian's FreeBSD, test the "real" FreeBSD first.
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I have a big problem. We need using ASDF Ciril keyboard, but couldn't get
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On Thu, 2013-08-29 at 17:26 +0300, Lars Noodén wrote:
> On 29.08.2013 17:20, Muhammad Yousuf Khan wrote:
> >>
> >> Well the most obvious difference is package management. Aside from that
> >> you can always add GNU utilities to Solaris and FreeBSD so that the
> >> differences from a user perspecti
On Thu, 2013-08-29 at 13:54 +, Curt wrote:
> Well, I knew you'd get religious about something if we pressed you
> hard enough.
You got me. Are you a questioning expert from the NSA? Beer in Germany
is something very holy. We've got the "Rheinheitsgebot", the translation
"German purity law" is
On Thu, 2013-08-29 at 16:30 +0300, Lars Noodén wrote:
> On 29.08.2013 16:15, Muhammad Yousuf Khan wrote:
> > what are the major differences btw the three OS.
> > Debian, Solaris, Freebsd
> [snip]
>
> Well the most obvious difference is package management. Aside from that
> you can always add GNU
Running wheezy amd64 the kernel/libc upgrade from today produced lots of
complaints:
Preparing to replace linux-image-3.2.0-4-amd64 3.2.46-1 (using
.../linux-image-3.2.0-4-amd64_3.2.46-1+deb7u1_amd64.deb) ...
Unpacking replacement linux-image-3.2.0-4-amd64 ...
Examining /etc/kernel/postrm.d .
run
Sharon Kimble:
> Cinnamon and Gnome 3 both have a tray that holds all notification
> messages until their read and deleted. These messages are ones like
> saying that your backup has just started, or you’ve got 3 new emails,
> nice simple easily forgotten ones. But, what is this 'tray'? Can it be
>
Cinnamon and Gnome 3 both have a tray that holds all notification
messages until their read and deleted. These messages are ones like
saying that your backup has just started, or you’ve got 3 new emails,
nice simple easily forgotten ones. But, what is this 'tray'? Can it be
used in fluxbox, or othe
On 8/29/2013 8:22 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
On Thu, 2013-08-29 at 12:09 +, Curt wrote:
On 2013-08-29, Chris Bannister wrote:
On another note, would you go to your local beerfest and ramble on about
the dangers of alcohol? or go round to peoples' houses and ramble on
about some dead guy ...
On 8/29/13, Muhammad Yousuf Khan wrote:
> what are the major differences btw the three OS.
> Debian, Solaris, Freebsd
I might consider Illumos/community-solaris, for using ZFS (eg for a
SAN) as backing for some other servers or desktops. btrfs and xfs are
catching up though still may be couple ye
On 08/29/2013 04:15 PM, Muhammad Yousuf Khan wrote:
what are the major differences btw the three OS.
Debian, Solaris, Freebsd
i know some command change and stuff. but architecture wise.
like unix is propitiatory, and freebst is not not blah blah.
but why one should choose Debian or freebsd over
On 29.08.2013 17:20, Muhammad Yousuf Khan wrote:
>>
>> Well the most obvious difference is package management. Aside from that
>> you can always add GNU utilities to Solaris and FreeBSD so that the
>> differences from a user perspective can be quite small.
>>
>>
> thanks for your response, but i a
>
> Well the most obvious difference is package management. Aside from that
> you can always add GNU utilities to Solaris and FreeBSD so that the
> differences from a user perspective can be quite small.
>
>
thanks for your response, but i am asking in server perspective. not GUI.
in my opinion Ub
On 08/24/2013 08:51 PM, Michael S. Cox wrote:
> On Sat, 2013-08-24 at 07:04 -0400, Jeff Bauer wrote:
>> Just out of curiosity, any Debian amateur radio operators care to ID?
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> Jeff, WN1MB
>>
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On 8/29/13, Curt wrote:
> On 2013-08-29, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>> a real Pils, perhaps not the exported versions, but Czechia is the
>> mother of good beer. I only will drink beer from Germany, Austria and
> Well, I knew you'd get religious about something if we pressed you hard
> enough.
:)
Glad
On Thursday 29 August 2013 07:28 PM, staticsafe wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 08:25:35AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote:
>> I'll be installing Debian 7.1 on two unrelated sets of machines. I
>> have no record of the cpu in any of the machines. Is there a utility
>> to identify the processors, parti
On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 08:25:35AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote:
> I'll be installing Debian 7.1 on two unrelated sets of machines. I
> have no record of the cpu in any of the machines. Is there a utility
> to identify the processors, particularly bus width. All machines
> originally ran various 32
On 2013-08-29, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>
> I can't find a translation for "Coorsfest" and there seems to be no
> Coors beer. We do have very good beer in Germany, but AFAIK Budweiser is
Well, a Coors beer existed when I was drinking it back in the day.
And Budweiser, in the USA, was another beer of
I'll be installing Debian 7.1 on two unrelated sets of machines.
I have no record of the cpu in any of the machines. Is there a
utility to identify the processors, particularly bus width. All
machines originally ran various 32 bit MS Windows incarnations.
Three personal machines:
1. A Lenovo d
On 29.08.2013 16:15, Muhammad Yousuf Khan wrote:
> what are the major differences btw the three OS.
> Debian, Solaris, Freebsd
[snip]
Well the most obvious difference is package management. Aside from that
you can always add GNU utilities to Solaris and FreeBSD so that the
differences from a user
Does the daemon allow dropping privileges? If not, then it will bot be able to
bind to a port below 1024.
This option does not seem to be available in dhcpd
Cheers
Iain
Andrew Wood wrote:
>On 28/08/13 01:13, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>>
>> Reading through the bug report, it looks like upstream di
On 8/29/2013 8:24 AM, Andrew Wood wrote:
On 28/08/13 01:13, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
Reading through the bug report, it looks like upstream didn't accept
it. Debian stays as close as possible to upstream, for good reason.
I agree its good to keep things as close as possible to upstream, but
unles
Le 29/08/2013 15:15, Stefan Monnier a écrit :
>> You obviously learn Latin differently over there too. I have a degree in
>> Latin, and have taught Latin, and have never had to use these characters!
You, maybe, never taught prosody...
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> You obviously learn Latin differently over there too. I have a degree in
> Latin, and have taught Latin, and have never had to use these characters!
That's because it was Latin-1. If you tried Latin-2 you'd see them ;-)
Stefan
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what are the major differences btw the three OS.
Debian, Solaris, Freebsd
i know some command change and stuff. but architecture wise.
like unix is propitiatory, and freebst is not not blah blah.
but why one should choose Debian or freebsd over others?
i am a big fan of debian and i have been usin
On 28/08/13 01:13, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
Reading through the bug report, it looks like upstream didn't accept
it. Debian stays as close as possible to upstream, for good reason.
I agree its good to keep things as close as possible to upstream, but
unless upstream can present some compelling ar
On Thu, 2013-08-29 at 12:09 +, Curt wrote:
> On 2013-08-29, Chris Bannister wrote:
> >
> > On another note, would you go to your local beerfest and ramble on about
> > the dangers of alcohol? or go round to peoples' houses and ramble on
> > about some dead guy ... oops hang on.
>
> He's at a
On 2013-08-29, Chris Bannister wrote:
>
> On another note, would you go to your local beerfest and ramble on about
> the dangers of alcohol? or go round to peoples' houses and ramble on
> about some dead guy ... oops hang on.
He's at a Coorsfest saying sometimes he prefers Budweiser.
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common is an idi
On Thu, 2013-08-29 at 13:27 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Thu, 2013-08-29 at 12:09 +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > On Wednesday 21 August 2013 22:37:25 Bob Proulx wrote:
> > > All worked perfectly as described. Accented characters are easily
> > > input. But then the follow-up came back that they
On 8/29/2013 12:45 AM, Joel Rees wrote:
(I really don't have time to do this.)
On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 12:17 PM,
[Somebody replied to somebody, arguing that C can't do objects.]
The syntax does become obtuse, unfun, cluttered, etc., but it can be done.
I didn't say C can't do objects. I s
On Thu, 2013-08-29 at 12:09 +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> On Wednesday 21 August 2013 22:37:25 Bob Proulx wrote:
> > All worked perfectly as described. Accented characters are easily
> > input. But then the follow-up came back that they wanted to input the
> > bar characters āēīōū. And I don't see
On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 01:04:35PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> My MUA replied unwanted several times to "Re: apt-get upgrade problem
> with libenchant1c2a". I got several times an error, but seemingly it was
> sent several times to the list, but didn't came through.
>
> Something is fishy, I was
On Wednesday 21 August 2013 22:37:25 Bob Proulx wrote:
> All worked perfectly as described. Accented characters are easily
> input. But then the follow-up came back that they wanted to input the
> bar characters āēīōū. And I don't see how to input bar characters
> with the above.
>
> Because now
My MUA replied unwanted several times to "Re: apt-get upgrade problem
with libenchant1c2a". I got several times an error, but seemingly it was
sent several times to the list, but didn't came through.
Something is fishy, I was able to reply to several other threads to
several people and lists.
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On Thu, 29 Aug 2013 22:28:22 +1200
Chris Bannister wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 02:34:42PM -0500, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:
> > Sharon Kimble wrote:
> > >Hugo.
> > >Please adjust you're posting style as it is impossible to read what
> > >you're saying as its indistinguishable from the rest of th
On 8/29/13, Johann Spies wrote:
> I am experimenting with E17 as an alternative desktop environment on two
> computers.
Cool. I would like to hear if you have good experiences.
> On one I can paste (as in other enironments like LXDE, Gnome, KDE, XFCE)
> after selecting some part of the screen an
On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 10:58:18PM +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> Yes, NM likes to do its own configuring and is apt to clash with anything
> in /etc/network/interfaces.
Mmmm, apt-to-clash (-bash: apt-to-clash: command not found) :)
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On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 02:34:42PM -0500, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:
> Sharon Kimble wrote:
> >Hugo.
> >Please adjust you're posting style as it is impossible to read what
> >you're saying as its indistinguishable from the rest of the
> >conversation. It just appears that you're signing the email witho
On Thu, 2013-08-29 at 12:14 +0200, Johann Spies wrote:
> E17
You like what you see, but you don't like what you experience, right?
Over the years I tested E16.99/E17 again and again and
it always was one of the most worse DEs I ever experienced.
Tested on different distros, also o
I am experimenting with E17 as an alternative desktop environment on two
computers.
On one I can paste (as in other enironments like LXDE, Gnome, KDE, XFCE)
after selecting some part of the screen and then pressing the middle button
(mouse wheel). On the other one that process does not work. I t
On Thu, 2013-08-29 at 09:08 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Thu, 2013-08-29 at 07:06 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> > On Thu, 29 Aug 2013 02:02:11 +0200, wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Le 29.08.2013 01:13, Cousin Stanley a écrit :
> > >> Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>> Assembler alway
On Thu, 29 Aug 2013 18:12:15 +1200
Chris Bannister wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 07:18:57PM +0100, Joe wrote:
> > On Wed, 28 Aug 2013 21:04:40 +1200
> > Chris Bannister wrote:
> > >
> > > Hint: unstable does not mean buggy.
> > >
> >
> > In theory.
>
> And in practice. All software has bu
On Thu, 2013-08-29 at 17:55 +1200, Chris Bannister wrote:
> You've either changed your tune or are being sarcastic?
It even wasn't sarcastic, it's meant ironically ;).
On Thu, 2013-08-29 at 18:12 +1200, Chris Bannister wrote:
> All software has bugs
No, very small programs likely could be absolu
On Wed, 28 Aug 2013 21:35:24 +0200
Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Wed, 2013-08-28 at 19:18 +0100, Joe wrote:
> > I think in GTK, which makes a number of scroll bars
> > misbehave.
>
> There is a bug still present for current "stable" releases from
> upstream. Again, I use the term stable here for the
On Thu, 2013-08-29 at 07:06 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Thu, 29 Aug 2013 02:02:11 +0200, wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Le 29.08.2013 01:13, Cousin Stanley a écrit :
> >> Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Assembler always is optimized code.
> >>
> >> Not always :-)
> >>
> >> One can al
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