On Monday 21 July 2014 01:46:07 Ric Moore wrote:
> What
> is worse, I'm running in my Ubuntu partition to have a working desktop.
> That cuts a fella. :( Ric
:-(
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On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 10:36:30PM CEST, Jonathan Dowland
said:
> On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 03:09:40PM +0200, Erwan David wrote:
> > Problem is where do we get the knowledge to repair mannually ? I do noit
> > see it in /usr/share/doc/systemd nor in the crossreference man pages,
> > nor anywhere el
systemd-shim is no more an option in testing. the whole
systemd with all its bugs (very low shutdown, no suport for
policy-rc.d, etc..) is forced to users.
It was said that we would have a choice. Were is the choice ?
Were is the transition doc ?
No where, just "go ahead and test". For
On 07/20/2014 11:53 AM, Chris Bannister wrote:
On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 08:39:16AM -0600, Joe Pfeiffer wrote:
Andrei POPESCU writes:
Note: I'd probably have the same problem with nvidia-driver, but my
aptitude is not suggesting removals as first option anymore due to:
// tweak Aptitude to not
On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 08:22:14AM -0400, The Wanderer wrote:
> On 07/20/2014 07:20 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
>
> > On Vi, 18 iul 14, 13:32:19, Bob Holtzman wrote:
>
> >>
> >> deb http://http.debian.net/debian stable main contrib non-free(http
> >> twice? doesn't look right)
>
> I think he was
On Sun, 20 Jul 2014 21:36:30 +0100
Jonathan Dowland wrote:
> You can install systemd to try it out before committing to it as your
> default init system. Just install 'systemd' but not 'systemd-sysv' and
> pass init=/bin/systemd to Linux via your boot manager.
>
> This and more excellent docume
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Zenaan Harkness:
> On 7/21/14, Jochen Spieker wrote:
>> Stephen Powell:
>>> On Sun, 20 Jul 2014 00:00:56 -0400 (EDT), Jochen Spieker wrote:
>>>
termcapinfo xterm* 'is=\E[r\E[m\E[2J\E[H\E[?7h\E[?1;4;6l'
>>>
>>> That's interesting. I've never encountered this, as I don't use the
>>> "screen"
On 7/21/14, Erwan David wrote:
> 2) You have a specific syntax, and a specific semantics (what does
> ExecStart, WantedBy, etc mean), that one must learn in order to simply
> read this. The namles of the sections are also meaningfull. All this
> defines a full fledge langaue, and I did not find an
On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 03:09:40PM +0200, Erwan David wrote:
> Problem is where do we get the knowledge to repair mannually ? I do noit
> see it in /usr/share/doc/systemd nor in the crossreference man pages,
> nor anywhere else.
You can install systemd to try it out before committing to it as your
Ron Leach a écrit :
>
> cannot fetch over the network
Can't you just configure and activate eth0 manually ?
If by DHCP :
# dhclient eth0
If statically :
# ifconfig eth0 netmask
# route add default gw
# echo nameserver >> /etc/resolv.conf # if needed
> Method 1: But Plugging in a USB CD-ROM i
On 7/21/14, Jochen Spieker wrote:
> Stephen Powell:
>> On Sun, 20 Jul 2014 00:00:56 -0400 (EDT), Jochen Spieker wrote:
>>
>>> termcapinfo xterm* 'is=\E[r\E[m\E[2J\E[H\E[?7h\E[?1;4;6l'
>>
>> That's interesting. I've never encountered this, as I don't use the
>> "screen" package. If I need multipl
On 20/07/2014 19:08, Sven Joachim wrote:
It looks like the ifupdown package was removed during the upgrade.
Reinstall it and the network should come back after "ifup eth0".
Sven, thanks, cannot fetch over the network, but found ifupdown deb
file on a Squeeze CD. I think it's on an XFCE insta
Am 20.07.2014 16:47, schrieb Erwan David:
> Le 20/07/2014 16:11, Andrei POPESCU a écrit :
>>
>> You're aware of course that Debian is one of the last big distros to
>> switch to systemd, with the notable exception of Ubuntu (who was using
>> upstart anyway).
> RHEL 7 does not use systemd as far
On Sun, 20 Jul 2014 12:38:27 -0400
Harry Putnam wrote:
> Maybe. But nothing like that has ever been necessary before and
> that is thru several vb upgrades over a few months.
I wouldn't be so straight: some months ago, after I duno remember
(change of monitor, I guess), I was obliged to use it
Den Sun, 20 Jul 2014 18:15:41 + (UTC)
skrev Re: Lost high res desktop settings on vbox upgrade to 4.3.14:
> On 2014-07-20, Andreas Rönnquist wrote:
> >
> > I don't know about that GA abbreviation, sorry.
> >
>
> Guest Additions maybe, or half of the Lady Ga duo.
>
Of course! Thanks!
/Andr
On 2014-07-20, Andreas Rönnquist wrote:
>
> I don't know about that GA abbreviation, sorry.
>
Guest Additions maybe, or half of the Lady Ga duo.
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On 2014-07-20 19:53 +0200, Ron Leach wrote:
> During an upgrade attempt of a Lenny server to Wheezy (the Debian docs
> say do this via Squeeze) I can't restart the Squeeze system after
> executing
> # apt-get upgrade
> # apt-get dist-upgrade
> The machine is awkward to see, or get at, so I'm fairl
Stephen Powell:
> On Sun, 20 Jul 2014 00:00:56 -0400 (EDT), Jochen Spieker wrote:
>
>> termcapinfo xterm* 'is=\E[r\E[m\E[2J\E[H\E[?7h\E[?1;4;6l'
>
> That's interesting. I've never encountered this, as I don't use the
> "screen" package. If I need multiple terminal sessions, I just launch
> mul
List, good afternoon,
During an upgrade attempt of a Lenny server to Wheezy (the Debian docs
say do this via Squeeze) I can't restart the Squeeze system after
executing
# apt-get upgrade
# apt-get dist-upgrade
The machine is awkward to see, or get at, so I'm fairly keen to have
an SSH link to
On Sun, 20 Jul 2014 12:35:25 -0400,
Harry Putnam wrote:
>Andreas Rönnquist writes:
>
>> On Sun, 20 Jul 2014 11:38:02 -0400,
>> Harry Putnam wrote:
>>
>>>Any folks running jessie in a vbox vm... maybe will know what to do
>>>here.
>>>
>>>I upgraded vbox from 4.3.10 to 4.3 14. Now the best screen
B writes:
> On Sun, 20 Jul 2014 11:38:02 -0400
> Harry Putnam wrote:
>
>> I upgraded vbox from 4.3.10 to 4.3 14. Now the best screen res I
>> can get in 1024 x 768. When it was something like 1500 x .
>> Not sure of exact setting but desktop was much larger when I
>> logged in before
Andreas Rönnquist writes:
> On Sun, 20 Jul 2014 11:38:02 -0400,
> Harry Putnam wrote:
>
>>Any folks running jessie in a vbox vm... maybe will know what to do
>>here.
>>
>>I upgraded vbox from 4.3.10 to 4.3 14. Now the best screen res I can
>>get in 1024 x 768. When it was something like 1500
On Sun 20 Jul 2014 at 16:49:14 +0200, Erwan David wrote:
> Now that systemd is presented as being compulsory it is natural that
>From a little earlier in this subthread:
https://lists.debian.org/87mwc9gfsw@xoog.err.no
Nothing about "compulsory" there.
> developers use it. The biggest mi
Hi Martin,
On 07/18/2014 07:43 PM, Martin Steigerwald wrote:
> Am Freitag, 18. Juli 2014, 18:45:13 schrieb Chris:
> Depends on how the initrd is built.
That's interesting. I thought initrd was essentially for hard disk
drivers only. All drivers needed later in the boot sequence could be
loaded fr
On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 08:39:16AM -0600, Joe Pfeiffer wrote:
> Andrei POPESCU writes:
>
> > Note: I'd probably have the same problem with nvidia-driver, but my
> > aptitude is not suggesting removals as first option anymore due to:
> >
> > // tweak Aptitude to not suggest removals as first opti
On Sun, 20 Jul 2014 11:38:02 -0400,
Harry Putnam wrote:
>Any folks running jessie in a vbox vm... maybe will know what to do
>here.
>
>I upgraded vbox from 4.3.10 to 4.3 14. Now the best screen res I can
>get in 1024 x 768. When it was something like 1500 x . Not sure
>of exact setting bu
On Sun, 20 Jul 2014 11:38:02 -0400
Harry Putnam wrote:
> I upgraded vbox from 4.3.10 to 4.3 14. Now the best screen res I
> can get in 1024 x 768. When it was something like 1500 x .
> Not sure of exact setting but desktop was much larger when I
> logged in before this upgrade.
May be you
Any folks running jessie in a vbox vm... maybe will know what to do
here.
I upgraded vbox from 4.3.10 to 4.3 14. Now the best screen res I can
get in 1024 x 768. When it was something like 1500 x . Not sure
of exact setting but desktop was much larger when I logged in before
this upgrade.
20.07.2014, 14:23, "Brian" :
> On Sun 20 Jul 2014 at 11:00:15 +0300, David Baron wrote:
>> How safe are these on new 64bit system (dist-upgraded to Sid)?
>
> In principle nothing that you do with unstable is safe. But you have
> chosen to test it. So go ahead and be prepared to analyse and report
Le 20/07/2014 16:09, Joe a écrit :
> On Sun, 20 Jul 2014 13:39:13 +0200
> Slavko wrote:
>
>> Ahoj,
>>
>> Dňa Sat, 19 Jul 2014 20:09:33 -0400 The Wanderer
>> napísal:
>>
>>> It's partly systemd's - or, rather, the systemd developers' - fault
>>> for having chosen to implement the functionality whi
Le 20/07/2014 16:11, Andrei POPESCU a écrit :
> On Du, 20 iul 14, 14:40:27, Erwan David wrote:
>> Add to this the fact it throws away years of habits with yet another
>> language (yes the systemd unit files are nit shellscripts but they use a
>> specific language mre complicated to understand thant
Andrei POPESCU writes:
> Note: I'd probably have the same problem with nvidia-driver, but my
> aptitude is not suggesting removals as first option anymore due to:
>
> // tweak Aptitude to not suggest removals as first option
> Aptitude::ProblemResolver::SolutionCost "removals";
Whether it helps
On Du, 20 iul 14, 14:40:27, Erwan David wrote:
>
> Add to this the fact it throws away years of habits with yet another
> language (yes the systemd unit files are nit shellscripts but they use a
> specific language mre complicated to understand thant shell scripts,
You must be confusing systemd u
On Sun, 20 Jul 2014 13:39:13 +0200
Slavko wrote:
> Ahoj,
>
> Dňa Sat, 19 Jul 2014 20:09:33 -0400 The Wanderer
> napísal:
>
> > It's partly systemd's - or, rather, the systemd developers' - fault
> > for having chosen to implement the functionality which the outside
> > programs (in this case,
On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 12:55:09PM +, Curt wrote:
> On 2014-07-20, Brian wrote:
> >>
> >> Yeah, it does.
> >> But that doesn't tell me anything about why mutt is faiilng.
> >> It shows me that mail works for local users.
> >
> > Does 'mail' also work with remote users? Does mutt work with loc
On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 12:55:55PM +0100, Brian wrote:
> On Sun 20 Jul 2014 at 02:06:31 +0200, Tony Baldwin wrote:
>
> > On Fri, Jul 18, 2014 at 03:45:27PM +0100, Brian wrote:
> > >
> > > Assuming a valid username is "tony", mainlog should show a record of
> > >
> > >mail -s TEST tony@localh
On Sun, 20 Jul 2014 08:17:05 -0400
The Wanderer wrote:
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> On 07/20/2014 05:17 AM, Martin Steigerwald wrote:
>
> > Am Sonntag, 20. Juli 2014, 11:00:15 schrieb David Baron:
> >
> >> How safe are these on new 64bit system (dist-upgraded to Sid)
On Mi, 25 iun 14, 20:18:41, Maureen L Thomas wrote:
> I had an orange triangle show up where the upstate square usually shows. I
> clicked on it and got the following messages.
>
> Error message:
>
> Fetch failed: W:Failed to fetch
> ftp://debian.cites.illinois.edu/pub/debian/dists/wheezy/updat
On Du, 20 iul 14, 07:59:21, John Hasler wrote:
> The Wanderer writes:
> > There are reasons sid is also called unstable.
>
> It's called Unstable because it changes frequently. The biggest problem
> with Sid is dependency problems. Because a new version of any package
> can be uploaded to Sid at
Le 20/07/2014 14:17, The Wanderer a écrit :
> On 07/20/2014 05:17 AM, Martin Steigerwald wrote:
>
> > Am Sonntag, 20. Juli 2014, 11:00:15 schrieb David Baron:
>
> >> How safe are these on new 64bit system (dist-upgraded to Sid)?
>
> > Which do you mean by "these"?
>
> I'd imagine he means "upgrades
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> Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2014 8:31:42 AM
> That's interesting. I've never encountered this, as I don't use the
> "screen" package. If I need multiple terminal sessions, I just launch
> multiple
> PuTTY sessions. I guess I don't see the nee
The Wanderer writes:
> There are reasons sid is also called unstable.
It's called Unstable because it changes frequently. The biggest problem
with Sid is dependency problems. Because a new version of any package
can be uploaded to Sid at any time without regard to dependencies one
can get stuck
On Du, 20 iul 14, 08:13:30, The Wanderer wrote:
>
> What I was aiming at with the version-number wildcard is to let a single
> pinning stanza work repeatedly, for different fglrx-driver versions,
> without need for manual intervention.
Right. I just thought of an entirely different approach: use
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On 07/20/2014 08:32 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> On Sb, 19 iul 14, 20:09:33, The Wanderer wrote:
>
>> It's partly systemd's - or, rather, the systemd developers' - fault
>> for having chosen to implement the functionality which the outside
>> progra
On 2014-07-20, Chris Bannister wrote:
>
> Are you aware of snapshot.debian.org? Save yourself time and anxiety. :)
>
I believe he wants to keep things local due to a slow and/or problematic
internet connection.
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On Mi, 09 iul 14, 11:03:48, G.W. Haywood wrote:
>
> I found that the problem appeared to be a circular dependency. When I
> removed all the packages in the dependency loop in a single operation
> things went much more smoothly.
>
> dpkg -B -r libaccess-bridge-java-jni libaccess-bridge-java openj
Le 20/07/2014 13:56, Andrei POPESCU a écrit :
> On Sb, 19 iul 14, 20:16:11, The Wanderer wrote:
>> Unless I'm much mistaken, none of the tools provided by coreutils are
>> daemons, and none of them are init systems. Both of those things are
>> qualitative differences.
>>
>> I didn't mention any of
On 2014-07-20, Brian wrote:
>>
>> Yeah, it does.
>> But that doesn't tell me anything about why mutt is faiilng.
>> It shows me that mail works for local users.
>
> Does 'mail' also work with remote users? Does mutt work with local and
> remote users? Can we rule out a problem with exim?
I under
On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 01:20:53PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
> On Sat, 19 Jul 2014 18:01:17 +0100
> Klaus wrote:
>
> > On 18/07/14 15:37, Steve Litt wrote:
> >
> > > card 0: Generic [HD-Audio Generic], device 0: ALC887-VD Analog
> > > [ALC887-VD Analog] Subdevices: 1/1
> >
> >
> > Have you sear
On Sb, 19 iul 14, 20:09:33, The Wanderer wrote:
>
> It's partly systemd's - or, rather, the systemd developers' - fault for
> having chosen to implement the functionality which the outside programs
> (in this case, components of GNOME) want to depend on as part of
> something not independent from
On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 10:23:15AM -0400, songbird wrote:
> >songbird wrote:
>
> >> the other night i accidentally deleted the debs i
> >> normally keep in the /var/cache/apt/archives directory
> >> and while i do keep a backup of them in another
> >> directory it is along with all the previous
On Du, 20 iul 14, 04:33:34, sp113438 wrote:
> My main problems on Sid with systemd:
>
> 1 poweroff takes ages (several minutes), and sometimes fails completely,
> this is very annoying
I used to have this due to NFS mounts and Network Manager (#746358),
fixed in initscripts 2.88dsf-55.2. Could
On Sun 20 Jul 2014 at 11:00:15 +0300, David Baron wrote:
> How safe are these on new 64bit system (dist-upgraded to Sid)?
In principle nothing that you do with unstable is safe. But you have
chosen to test it. So go ahead and be prepared to analyse and report
bugs or fix issues.
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On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 01:11:47PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
> LOL, how do you do it Andrei? You've tried and failed to rebut me three
> times...
Wow! and here's me thinking he clearly explained the issue(s) to you!
I remember a rant by Billy Connelly where the gist goes like this:
He picked up a
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On 07/20/2014 05:17 AM, Martin Steigerwald wrote:
> Am Sonntag, 20. Juli 2014, 11:00:15 schrieb David Baron:
>
>> How safe are these on new 64bit system (dist-upgraded to Sid)?
>
> Which do you mean by "these"?
I'd imagine he means "upgrades to s
On Sun, 20 Jul 2014 00:00:56 -0400 (EDT), Jochen Spieker wrote:
>
> Zenaan Harkness wrote:
>
>> When I log in to my debian box using putty, I set in putty config a
>> width of 100 (rather than 80). This works.
>>
>> When I run GNU Screen, the putty console shrinks back to 80 width.
>>
>> Any ide
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On 07/20/2014 07:20 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> On Vi, 18 iul 14, 13:32:19, Bob Holtzman wrote:
>> To recap and make *damned* sure I understand,
>>
>> deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ wheezy main non-free contrib
>> deb http://ftp.us.debian.or
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On 07/20/2014 05:54 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> On Sb, 19 iul 14, 21:58:13, The Wanderer wrote:
>
>> Is there a way to tell apt to calculate its dependency resolution
>> so as to avoid removing a particular package, without limiting that
>> package
On Sb, 19 iul 14, 20:16:11, The Wanderer wrote:
>
> Unless I'm much mistaken, none of the tools provided by coreutils are
> daemons, and none of them are init systems. Both of those things are
> qualitative differences.
>
> I didn't mention any of the non-daemon tools provided by the systemd
> pa
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On 07/20/2014 01:37 AM, Marko Randjelovic wrote:
> On Sat, 19 Jul 2014 21:58:13 -0400 The Wanderer
> wrote:
>
>> when an X not compatible with the newest available fglrx-driver is
>> available, 'apt-get dist-upgrade' still tries to remove
>> fglrx
Ahoj,
Dňa Sat, 19 Jul 2014 20:09:33 -0400 The Wanderer
napísal:
> It's partly systemd's - or, rather, the systemd developers' - fault
> for having chosen to implement the functionality which the outside
> programs (in this case, components of GNOME) want to depend on as
> part of something not i
On Sun 20 Jul 2014 at 02:06:31 +0200, Tony Baldwin wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 18, 2014 at 03:45:27PM +0100, Brian wrote:
> >
> > Assuming a valid username is "tony", mainlog should show a record of
> >
> >mail -s TEST tony@localhost
> >
> > being sent.
>
> Yeah, it does.
> But that doesn't tell
Ahoj,
Dňa Sun, 20 Jul 2014 07:46:17 +0200 Sven Joachim
napísal:
> On 2014-07-19 19:14 +0200, Slavko wrote:
>
> > Then it seems, that there is way to have policykit without systemd.
>
> The alternative (on which policykit-1 depends on kfreebsd-*) is
> consolekit which is unmaintained.
>
> > Tr
On Sb, 19 iul 14, 17:14:16, Harry Putnam wrote:
> Running jessie in vbox guest on win7
>
> I seem to recall quite some time back getting some kind of
> notifications on my desktop when I had pkgs needing updates.
>
> It might have a year or two ago when I was running KDE and may have
> been rel
On Jo, 17 iul 14, 23:41:20, Anthony Baldwin wrote:
> Hi,
> I am unable to send mail with mutt from my home desktop, either through
> one of my own domains (this one, myownsite.me), or through gmx.com's SMTP
> server.
Please attach your .muttrc, just take care to replace passwords with XXX
or so.
On Vi, 18 iul 14, 13:32:19, Bob Holtzman wrote:
>
> deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main contrib non-free
>
> is already in sources, a simple switch from debian.org to debian.net is
> all that's required. True?
The security archive is handled specially and even http.debian.net
r
On Sb, 19 iul 14, 18:06:57, Tom H wrote:
>
> If he didn't improve sysvinit to deal with the early boot problem that
> he identifies here, he must've either thought that it wasn't possible
> to fix the sysvinit code or that he didn't have the time to dedicate
> to doing so.
Just to provide concret
On 2014-07-20, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
>
> BTW, where are those DiffIndex files stored?
>
/var/cache/apt/pkgcache.bin srcpkgcache.bin?
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Hi,
since I can't find any current information on my problem via google or
on the errata-list I would like to report it here. I can't say to which
package it is related, but it appeared after upgrading from wheezy 7.5
to 7.6.
I'm running a small homeserver based on an ATOM-board (Asrock
AD25
On Sb, 19 iul 14, 18:34:28, Tom H wrote:
>
> This was discussed on debian-devel@. I'm sure that if you asked those
> who want this supported they'd tell you that this isn't what was
> decided and if you asked those who didn't want this supported they'd
> tell you that this is what was decided (unl
On Saturday 19 July 2014 23:34:28 Tom H wrote:
> To the OP: can't you install a supported and more recent chrome from
> google.com?
Not on Squeeze. You have to update to at least Wheezy.
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BTW, my entire sources.list file is th single line:
deb ftp://mirror.aarnet.edu.au/pub/debian sid main contrib non-free
Now trying with http instead of ftp...
$ sudo apt-get update
Hit http://mirror.aarnet.edu.au sid InRelease
Hit http://mirror.aarnet.edu.au sid/contrib amd64 Packages/DiffIndex
H
On Sb, 19 iul 14, 21:58:13, The Wanderer wrote:
> Is there a way to tell apt to calculate its dependency resolution so as
> to avoid removing a particular package, without limiting that package to
> a particular version?
This is an interesting problem. I'd try pinning the installed version to
the
On 2014-07-08 02:07:25 +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> On Lu, 30 iun 14, 14:47:23, Vincent Lefevre wrote:
> > A program cannot guess what the user has in mind, but there are
> > choices that are obviously more sensible than others, such as
> > upgrading a package instead of removing it. Sometimes ap
On 7/20/14, Curt wrote:
> On 2014-07-20, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
>> I keep getting (tried 3 times now) this sort of error from my chosen
>> mirror:
>> ---
>> 100% [15 Packages 9,119 kB/9,119 kB 100%]
>> Err ftp://mirror.aarnet.edu.au sid/main amd64 Packages
>> Get:17 ftp://mirror.aarnet.edu.au sid
Am Sonntag, 20. Juli 2014, 11:00:15 schrieb David Baron:
> How safe are these on new 64bit system (dist-upgraded to Sid)?
Which do you mean by "these"?
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On 2014-07-20, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
> I keep getting (tried 3 times now) this sort of error from my chosen mirror:
> ---
> 100% [15 Packages 9,119 kB/9,119 kB 100%]
> Err ftp://mirror.aarnet.edu.au sid/main amd64 Packages
> Get:17 ftp://mirror.aarnet.edu.au sid/main amd64 Packages [6,829 kB]
> E
How safe are these on new 64bit system (dist-upgraded to Sid)?
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Zenaan Harkness wrote:
> I keep getting (tried 3 times now) this sort of error from my chosen mirror:
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> 100% [15 Packages 9,119 kB/9,119 kB 100%]
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