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2014-09-28 Thread Vodafone partner
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[testing] cheese ne fonctionne pas

2014-09-28 Thread Gaëtan PERRIER
Bonjour, Est-ce que cheese fonctionne chez vous ? Sur ma testing quand je le lance cheese depuis un terminal j'ai le message suivant: cheese (cheese:9258): cheese-WARNING **: Failed to allocate required memory.: gstv4l2src.c(478): gst_v4l2src_decide_allocation ():

Re: [testing] cheese ne fonctionne pas

2014-09-28 Thread Jean-Marc
Sun, 28 Sep 2014 12:53:22 +0200 Gaëtan PERRIER gaetan.perr...@neuf.fr écrivait : Bonjour, bonjour Gaëtan, Est-ce que cheese fonctionne chez vous ? Je suis aussi en Testing. Sur ma testing quand je le lance cheese depuis un terminal j'ai le message suivant: cheese (cheese:9258):

Problème d'installation PXE de Jessie (linux-image-3.14-2-amd64 disparu)

2014-09-28 Thread Francois Lafont
Bonjour à tous, Il semble que le paquet linux-image-3.14-2-amd64 ait disparaît des dépôt Debian sous Jessie. Je ne sais pas depuis quand, mais c'est relativement récent je pense. En effet, certes le fichier :

Re: [testing] cheese ne fonctionne pas

2014-09-28 Thread Gaëtan PERRIER
Le Sun, 28 Sep 2014 14:33:38 +0200 Jean-Marc jean-m...@6jf.be a écrit: Sun, 28 Sep 2014 12:53:22 +0200 Gaëtan PERRIER gaetan.perr...@neuf.fr écrivait : Bonjour, bonjour Gaëtan, Est-ce que cheese fonctionne chez vous ? Je suis aussi en Testing. Sur ma testing quand je le

Re: Debian abandonnerait E17

2014-09-28 Thread maderios
On 09/27/2014 09:28 PM, jerome moliere wrote: ! Il me parait aller dans le sens de la communaute que de pointer du doigt des paquets problematiques Tout à fait. Si tu veux tester vraiment E17 et non troller, tu l'installes réellement, soit dans Sid, soit dans Jessie, et si tu découvre un

Re: Problème d'installation PXE de Jessie (linux-image-3.14-2-amd64 disparu)

2014-09-28 Thread Sébastien NOBILI
Bonjour, Le dimanche 28 septembre 2014 à 15:15, Francois Lafont a écrit : ~$ zcat Packages.gz | grep linux-image-3.16-2 Tu as zgrep qui te permettra la même chose en plus direct : zgrep linux-image-3.16-2 Packages.gz On peut voir que le paquet linux-image-3.14-2-amd64 n'est pas dans la

Re: Non Réception de paiement

2014-09-28 Thread Guillaume
Bonsoir, huhu le joli phishing :) Le 28/09/2014 04:23, Votre espace Client EDF a écrit : *Cher(e) EDF Client(e) :* Votre paiement a été refusé par votre établissement bancaire en raison d'un problème technique sur le systeme de prélèvement automatique. * *Dépassement du plafond

Re: [testing] cheese ne fonctionne pas

2014-09-28 Thread Jean-Marc
Sun, 28 Sep 2014 15:18:58 +0200 Gaëtan PERRIER gaetan.perr...@neuf.fr écrivait : [...] Moi aussi il démarre mais il ne fonctionne pas. Il dit qu'il n'arrive pas à communiquer avec la webcam. Pareil chez moi. Message identique si je démarre avec une webcam branchée. Cela ressemble

[Testing] Problème d'autorisations nm

2014-09-28 Thread RHATAY Sami
Salut la liste, depuis quelques temps je rencontre un problème avec nm-applet. Après une MAJ sur testing, impossible de pouvoir contrôler/modifier mes connexions. En effet quand je tente de me connecter sur un autre réseau par exemple : (32) Not authorized to control networking La dernière

Re: Non Réception de paiement

2014-09-28 Thread sylvain baal
en même temps très visible Le 28/09/2014 18:13, Guillaume a écrit : Bonsoir, huhu le joli phishing :) Le 28/09/2014 04:23, Votre espace Client EDF a écrit : *Cher(e) EDF Client(e) :* Votre paiement a été refusé par votre établissement bancaire en raison d'un problème technique sur le

Re: Non Réception de paiement

2014-09-28 Thread SD76
Bonjour, Quand je reçois des mails de phishing, j'ai pris pour habitude de les signaler. Pour ceux que ça intéresse, voici comment je fait: 1/ Dans Iceweasel: Aide Signaler un site contrefait 2/ https://www.signal-spam.fr/ 3/ Une petite recherche google pour voir si une adresse existe chez

Re: [testing] cheese ne fonctionne pas

2014-09-28 Thread Gaëtan PERRIER
Le Sun, 28 Sep 2014 18:25:31 +0200 Jean-Marc jean-m...@6jf.be a écrit: Sun, 28 Sep 2014 15:18:58 +0200 Gaëtan PERRIER gaetan.perr...@neuf.fr écrivait : [...] Moi aussi il démarre mais il ne fonctionne pas. Il dit qu'il n'arrive pas à communiquer avec la webcam. Pareil chez moi.

Re: Problème d'installation PXE de Jessie (linux-image-3.14-2-amd64 disparu)

2014-09-28 Thread Francois Lafont
Bonsoir, Le 28/09/2014 18:13, Sébastien NOBILI a écrit : Le dimanche 28 septembre 2014 à 15:15, Francois Lafont a écrit : ~$ zcat Packages.gz | grep linux-image-3.16-2 Tu as zgrep qui te permettra la même chose en plus direct : zgrep linux-image-3.16-2 Packages.gz Ah oui, je le

Re: Bash vulnerable

2014-09-28 Thread Eduardo Rios
El 25/09/14 a las 20:54, Eduardo Rios escribió: El 25/09/14 a las 20:01, Angel Vicente escribió: Para testing todavía no hay ¿no? A mi por lo menos si me ha salido actualización, aunque eso si, sólo para el primer fallo. Queda pendiente para el segundo. He pasado de bash 4.3-9 a 4.3-9.1

Re: Bash vulnerable

2014-09-28 Thread Manolo Díaz
El domingo, 28 sep 2014 a las 15:16 horas (UTC+2), Eduardo Rios escribió: El 25/09/14 a las 20:54, Eduardo Rios escribió: El 25/09/14 a las 20:01, Angel Vicente escribió: Para testing todavía no hay ¿no? A mi por lo menos si me ha salido actualización, aunque eso si, sólo para el primer

Re: Bash vulnerable

2014-09-28 Thread Eduardo Rios
El 28/09/14 a las 15:35, Manolo Díaz escribió: El domingo, 28 sep 2014 a las 15:16 horas (UTC+2), Eduardo Rios escribió: El 25/09/14 a las 20:54, Eduardo Rios escribió: El 25/09/14 a las 20:01, Angel Vicente escribió: Para testing todavía no hay ¿no? A mi por lo menos si me ha salido

Re: [Gutl-l] Ayuda urgente con iptables

2014-09-28 Thread Rafael Acero
Solicitó un llamado a la cordura. No podemos estar agrediendonos. Saludos. El sep 27, 2014 4:46 PM, Angel Claudio Alvarez an...@angel-alvarez.com.ar escribió: El Thu, 25 Sep 2014 22:59:53 -0400 William Romero wromer...@hotmail.com escribió: El Thu, 25 Sep 2014 01:46:34 -0400 William

Re: Bash vulnerable

2014-09-28 Thread Manolo Díaz
El domingo, 28 sep 2014 a las 15:45 horas (UTC+2), Eduardo Rios escribió: El 28/09/14 a las 15:35, Manolo Díaz escribió: El domingo, 28 sep 2014 a las 15:16 horas (UTC+2), Eduardo Rios escribió: El 25/09/14 a las 20:54, Eduardo Rios escribió: El 25/09/14 a las 20:01, Angel Vicente escribió:

Re: Bash vulnerable

2014-09-28 Thread Manolo Díaz
El domingo, 28 sep 2014 a las 16:06 horas (UTC+2), Manolo Díaz escribió: pero si ese es un fallo, el shell dash también lo tiene. Y el zsh. No sé de dónde has sacado el test, pero no parece probar nada. Saludos. -- Manolo Díaz -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to

Re: ¡Alerta en los Linux y Mac OS X! Descubren un fallo de seguridad más peligroso que Heartbleed

2014-09-28 Thread Camaleón
El Sat, 27 Sep 2014 18:07:47 -0600, estebanmonge escribió: El 2014-09-27 08:27, Camaleón escribió: El Sat, 27 Sep 2014 09:46:37 -0300, Gonzalo Rivero escribió: El sáb, 27-09-2014 a las 13:54 +0200, J. OCTAVIO Avalos escribió: http://www.periodistadigital.com/tecnologia/internet/2014/09/26/

Re: Configurar Dovecot

2014-09-28 Thread Josu Lazkano
Gracias por la ayuda, Ya he activado el POP3. Tengo otra duda sobre la seguridad, la recepcion de correo lo hago mediante Postfix, me mosquea esta linea en los logs: Sep 28 17:08:30 mail postfix/submission/smtpd[5736]: B741B1D83BC9: client=x.x.x.x.mi_isp.com[x.x.x.x], sasl_method=PLAIN,

Re: Bash vulnerable

2014-09-28 Thread Camaleón
El Sun, 28 Sep 2014 15:45:35 +0200, Eduardo Rios escribió: El 28/09/14 a las 15:35, Manolo Díaz escribió: El domingo, 28 sep 2014 a las 15:16 horas (UTC+2), Eduardo Rios escribió: El 25/09/14 a las 20:54, Eduardo Rios escribió: El 25/09/14 a las 20:01, Angel Vicente escribió: Para testing

Re: Bash vulnerable

2014-09-28 Thread Eduardo Rios
El 28/09/14 a las 17:36, Camaleón escribió: El Sun, 28 Sep 2014 15:45:35 +0200, Eduardo Rios escribió: El 28/09/14 a las 15:35, Manolo Díaz escribió: El domingo, 28 sep 2014 a las 15:16 horas (UTC+2), Eduardo Rios escribió: El 25/09/14 a las 20:54, Eduardo Rios escribió: El 25/09/14 a las

Re: Bash vulnerable

2014-09-28 Thread Eduardo Rios
El 28/09/14 a las 16:06, Manolo Díaz escribió: El domingo, 28 sep 2014 a las 15:45 horas (UTC+2), Eduardo Rios escribió: El 28/09/14 a las 15:35, Manolo Díaz escribió: El domingo, 28 sep 2014 a las 15:16 horas (UTC+2), Eduardo Rios escribió: El 25/09/14 a las 20:54, Eduardo Rios escribió:

Re: Configurar Dovecot

2014-09-28 Thread Camaleón
El Sun, 28 Sep 2014 17:19:07 +0200, Josu Lazkano escribió: Gracias por la ayuda, Ya he activado el POP3. Me alegro :-) Tengo otra duda sobre la seguridad, la recepcion de correo Será el envío. lo hago mediante Postfix, me mosquea esta linea en los logs: Sep 28 17:08:30 mail

Re: Bash vulnerable

2014-09-28 Thread Fabián Bonetti
On Sun, 28 Sep 2014 17:43:55 +0200 Eduardo Rios eduri...@yahoo.es wrote: Esas no son las pruebas correctas. Las correctas están aquí https://shellshocker.net/ -- Servicios:. http://mamalibre.com.ar/plus MamaLibre, Casa en Lincoln, Ituzaingo 1085 CP6070, Buenos Aires,

Re: Bash vulnerable

2014-09-28 Thread Camaleón
El Sun, 28 Sep 2014 17:43:55 +0200, Eduardo Rios escribió: El 28/09/14 a las 17:36, Camaleón escribió: (...) edurios@debian:~$ env X='() { (a)=\' sh -c echo vulnerable; bash -c echo Fallo 2 sin parchear vulnerable Fallo 2 sin parchear edurios@debian:~$ En wheezy dice lo mismo:

Mensaje al arrancar el sistema: kernel 3.16

2014-09-28 Thread Eduardo Rios
En un equipo Asus X200CA tengo Debian Wheezy 7.6 con kernel 3.14. Hoy he actualizado al kernel 3.16 (backports) y cada vez que arranca el equipo, veo en pantalla estos mensajes: [6.680938] [drm:cpt_set_fifo_underrun_reporting] *ERROR* uncleared pch fifo underrun on pch transcoder A [

Re: Configurar Dovecot

2014-09-28 Thread nadie
Si haces un doveconf -n ... te sale auth_mechanisms = plain login ? http://wiki2.dovecot.org/Authentication/Mechanisms Que vaya plana, no quiere decir que vaya en plano, va con la fina capa SSL, se suele dejar en plano por compatibilidad con casi todos los clientes de correo. Pero mucho mejor

Re: Bash vulnerable

2014-09-28 Thread Eduardo Rios
El 28/09/14 a las 18:03, Fabián Bonetti escribió: Esas no son las pruebas correctas. Las correctas están aquí https://shellshocker.net/ Vamos allá: Exploit 1 (CVE-2014-6271) edurios@debian:~$ env x='() { :;}; echo vulnerable' bash -c echo this is a test this is a test edurios@debian:~$

Re: Bash vulnerable

2014-09-28 Thread Manolo Díaz
El domingo, 28 sep 2014 a las 18:55 horas (UTC+2), Eduardo Rios escribió: El 28/09/14 a las 18:03, Fabián Bonetti escribió: Esas no son las pruebas correctas. Las correctas están aquí https://shellshocker.net/ Vamos allá: Exploit 1 (CVE-2014-6271) edurios@debian:~$ env x='() { :;}; echo

Re: Bash vulnerable

2014-09-28 Thread Eduardo Rios
El 28/09/14 a las 19:02, Manolo Díaz escribió: El domingo, 28 sep 2014 a las 18:55 horas (UTC+2), Eduardo Rios escribió: El 28/09/14 a las 18:03, Fabián Bonetti escribió: Esas no son las pruebas correctas. Las correctas están aquí https://shellshocker.net/ Vamos allá: Exploit 1

Re: Mensaje al arrancar el sistema: kernel 3.16

2014-09-28 Thread Camaleón
El Sun, 28 Sep 2014 18:34:57 +0200, Eduardo Rios escribió: En un equipo Asus X200CA tengo Debian Wheezy 7.6 con kernel 3.14. Hoy he actualizado al kernel 3.16 (backports) y cada vez que arranca el equipo, veo en pantalla estos mensajes: [6.680938] [drm:cpt_set_fifo_underrun_reporting]

Re: Mensaje al arrancar el sistema: kernel 3.16

2014-09-28 Thread Eduardo Rios
El 28/09/14 a las 19:21, Camaleón escribió: El Sun, 28 Sep 2014 18:34:57 +0200, Eduardo Rios escribió: En un equipo Asus X200CA tengo Debian Wheezy 7.6 con kernel 3.14. Hoy he actualizado al kernel 3.16 (backports) y cada vez que arranca el equipo, veo en pantalla estos mensajes: [

Re: Configurar Dovecot

2014-09-28 Thread Josu Lazkano
Gracias a los dos, He activado el MD5-DIGEST: # doveconf -n | grep auth_mechanisms auth_mechanisms = digest-md5 Pero ahora cuando inicio Icedove me da este error en el server y no se conecta: 2014 Sep 28 20:15:12 mail auth: Fatal: DIGEST-MD5 mechanism can't be supported with given passdbs 2014

[OT] Recupercion de archivos grandes

2014-09-28 Thread Fredy Guio
Hola lista. Tengo una duda. Alguien a intentado recuperar archivos borrados, con la aplicacion nftsundelete ? Quisiera saber que tal va esta herramienta con archivos superiores a 5Gb. Eh escuchado de diferentes herramientas pero que con archivos grandes no la van muy bien. El archivo es

Re: Bash vulnerable

2014-09-28 Thread Edward Villarroel (EDD)
buenas noches comunidad recientemente hace 20min me encontraba navegando por la web cuando la maquina se apago pero se apago como si con la root le fueran puesto poweroff creen q tenga algo q ver con esto ? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a

Re: Bash vulnerable

2014-09-28 Thread Aradenatorix Veckhom Vacelaevus
El 28 de septiembre de 2014, 20:04, Edward Villarroel (EDD) escribió: buenas noches comunidad recientemente hace 20min me encontraba navegando por la web cuando la máquina se apago pero se apago como si con la root le fueran puesto poweroff ¿como sabes eso? creen q tenga algo q ver con

Re: Bash vulnerable

2014-09-28 Thread Edward Villarroel (EDD)
si me temo q no sirve de nada por q los tengo apuntando a la ram para q no gastar el ssd Edward Villarroel: @Agentedd El día 28 de septiembre de 2014, 20:48, Aradenatorix Veckhom Vacelaevus arad...@gmail.com escribió: El 28 de septiembre de 2014, 20:04, Edward Villarroel (EDD) escribió:

Aplicativo muito lento

2014-09-28 Thread Ubiratan
Bom dia Alguem usa o QEMU? Como é possível melhorar seu desempenho? Abraços -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-portuguese-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/54283b60.4010...@ig.com.br

Re: Let's have a vote!

2014-09-28 Thread Joel Rees
2014/09/28 7:33 Ric Moore wayward4...@gmail.com: On 09/27/2014 02:49 PM, lee wrote: Darac Marjal mailingl...@darac.org.uk writes: It's a personal choice. If you require a crowd of support as moral justification you're doing it wrong. Just ask yourself: Why would someone choose to

How to make more space available for /

2014-09-28 Thread Rob Hurle
I've had a very large job on the go and have only just now had the chance to upgrade from squeeze to wheezy. I had to do the upgrade from DVDs because I live at the end of a piece of wet string (takes about a day to download one DVD). The upgrade went reasonably well but I did run out of room on

Re: Problem loading firmware in Debian Installer

2014-09-28 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2014-09-28 02:52 +0200, Rob Werfelmann wrote: I'm not sure where to submit this bug as I am unsure if this is caused by the installer or the linux kernel. Please look at [1] for known issues with the Jessie installer. I'm using a daily net install (uses linux-image-3.16.2-amd64) and when

Re: Challenge to you: Voice your concerns regarding systemd upstream

2014-09-28 Thread Martin Steigerwald
Hi Miles, Am Freitag, 26. September 2014, 11:09:07 schrieb Miles Fidelman: Martin Steigerwald wrote: Am Donnerstag, 25. September 2014, 01:45:50 schrieb lee: Martin Steigerwald mar...@lichtvoll.de writes: Am Montag, 22. September 2014, 23:50:46 schrieb lee: Martin Steigerwald

Re: Challenge to you: Voice your concerns regarding systemd upstream

2014-09-28 Thread Martin Steigerwald
Am Freitag, 26. September 2014, 14:51:01 schrieb Miles Fidelman: John Hasler wrote: Miles Fidelman writes: the technical committee selects takes a vote that essentially imposes systemd on all of the upstream developers and packagers Where the hell do you get that from? Isn't that

Re: Challenge to you: Voice your concerns regarding systemd upstream

2014-09-28 Thread Martin Steigerwald
Am Freitag, 26. September 2014, 13:08:50 schrieb The Wanderer: On 09/26/2014 at 12:44 PM, Martin Read wrote: On 26/09/14 16:09, Miles Fidelman wrote: - but the resulting impacts should be taken up with each and every upstream developer? As far as I can see, the issue that people are

Re: Challenge to you: Voice your concerns regarding systemd upstream

2014-09-28 Thread Martin Steigerwald
Am Freitag, 26. September 2014, 19:08:13 schrieb Ric Moore: On 09/26/2014 05:08 PM, green wrote: Ric Moore wrote at 2014-09-26 14:18 -0500: Change is certainly needed when any pimple face kid can edit and hide his doings from a text log with nano. I think the change is necessary to harden

Re: Challenge to you: Voice your concerns regarding systemd upstream

2014-09-28 Thread Martin Steigerwald
Am Samstag, 27. September 2014, 22:04:38 schrieb lee: Andrei POPESCU andreimpope...@gmail.com writes: On Vi, 26 sep 14, 01:58:44, lee wrote: Again, I consider it to be totally futile to try to convince the makers of systemd to fix the issues it brings about. They cannot be unaware of

Re: Challenge to you: Voice your concerns regarding systemd upstream

2014-09-28 Thread Martin Steigerwald
Am Samstag, 27. September 2014, 22:13:21 schrieb lee: Martin Steigerwald mar...@lichtvoll.de writes: Am Freitag, 26. September 2014, 10:43:14 schrieb Andrei POPESCU: On Vi, 26 sep 14, 01:58:44, lee wrote: Again, I consider it to be totally futile to try to convince the makers of systemd

Re: Challenge to you: Voice your concerns regarding systemd upstream

2014-09-28 Thread Martin Steigerwald
Am Samstag, 27. September 2014, 22:55:36 schrieb lee: Martin Steigerwald mar...@lichtvoll.de writes: Why do I think that you do not want change from the *current* situation? Cause what you do, in my oppinion does not facilitate change. I think I see why you think so. What makes you think

Re: Challenge to you: Voice your concerns regarding systemd upstream

2014-09-28 Thread Martin Steigerwald
Am Sonntag, 28. September 2014, 04:35:03 schrieb lee: Martin Read zen75...@zen.co.uk writes: On 27/09/14 21:04, lee wrote: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=990177 Your complaint about the interface is reasonable. The systemd developers' decision to not change the interface

Re: Can't unlock the screensaver

2014-09-28 Thread softwatt
On 09/28/2014 01:46 AM, Ric Moore wrote: On 09/27/2014 05:34 PM, Cindy-Sue Causey wrote: On 9/27/14, softwatt softw...@gmx.com wrote: I had a similar issue, and it turned out I was typing the password in the wrong language. If you use multiple languages, Try pressing ALT+SHIFT (The default

Re: Problem loading firmware in Debian Installer

2014-09-28 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Sunday 28 September 2014 01:52:36 Rob Werfelmann wrote: Hello, I'm not sure where to submit this bug as I am unsure if this is caused by the installer or the linux kernel. I'm using a daily net install (uses linux-image-3.16.2-amd64) and when I get to configure the network part, I get a

Re: Problem loading firmware in Debian Installer

2014-09-28 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Sunday 28 September 2014 11:01:43 Lisi Reisz wrote: On Sunday 28 September 2014 01:52:36 Rob Werfelmann wrote: Hello, I'm not sure where to submit this bug as I am unsure if this is caused by the installer or the linux kernel. I'm using a daily net install (uses

Re: How to make more space available for /

2014-09-28 Thread Jochen Spieker
Rob Hurle: […] Any ideas on how I can copy my existing / partition and boot information to a new disc? Would dd be a good idea? How can I prepare the new disc to be the boot disc and have / on it without disturbing my current system? There are many ways to skin this cat, but generally you

Re: Can't unlock the screensaver

2014-09-28 Thread softwatt
On 09/28/2014 03:31 AM, Chris Bannister wrote: On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 06:46:49PM -0400, Ric Moore wrote: Great Minds! The only thing the user sees is black dots. :) Ric You don't even get to see those AFAIR. Wrong. One does see black dots, see attachment. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP

Re: systemd and server use

2014-09-28 Thread Martin Steigerwald
Am Freitag, 26. September 2014, 13:36:27 schrieb Dan Ritter: On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 01:02:16PM -0400, The Wanderer wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 09/26/2014 at 12:26 PM, Steve Litt wrote: On Fri, 26 Sep 2014 12:03:57 +0200 Martin Steigerwald

Re: systemd and server use

2014-09-28 Thread Martin Steigerwald
Am Freitag, 26. September 2014, 13:02:16 schrieb The Wanderer: Martin, I don't think anybody's complaining about those features. Those are excellent features that should be done in PID 1. Actually, some people (I believe including me) are in fact complaining about the inclusion of the

Re: systemd and server use

2014-09-28 Thread Martin Steigerwald
Am Freitag, 26. September 2014, 22:41:04 schrieb Reco: Hi. On Fri, 26 Sep 2014 13:02:16 -0400 The Wanderer wande...@fastmail.fm wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 09/26/2014 at 12:26 PM, Steve Litt wrote: On Fri, 26 Sep 2014 12:03:57 +0200 Martin

Re: About dependency creep

2014-09-28 Thread Martin Steigerwald
Am Freitag, 26. September 2014, 13:00:08 schrieb Peter Nieman: On 25/09/14 18:16, Martin Steigerwald wrote: The KDE project has spent *years* of development to reduce dependency creep. I don't think KDE is the problem here. I don't remember ever having run into a situation where installing

Re: systemd and server use (was: Re: Challenge to you: Voice your concerns regarding systemd upstream)

2014-09-28 Thread Martin Steigerwald
Am Freitag, 26. September 2014, 23:21:36 schrieb martin f krafft: also sprach Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com [2014-09-26 18:26 +0200]: If systemd was just a PID1 with the features you enumerate above, I'd be dancing in the street, not looking for a way out. Beautiful. I had to:

Re: Let's have a vote!

2014-09-28 Thread Chris Bannister
On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 09:49:10PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: On Sat, 27 Sep 2014 18:32:38 -0400 Ric Moore wayward4...@gmail.com wrote: On 09/27/2014 02:49 PM, lee wrote: Just ask yourself: Why would someone choose to download an ISO for Debian? For me, it's the safest way to

Re: Let's have a vote!

2014-09-28 Thread Martin Steigerwald
Am Sonntag, 28. September 2014, 23:50:45 schrieb Chris Bannister: On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 09:49:10PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: On Sat, 27 Sep 2014 18:32:38 -0400 Ric Moore wayward4...@gmail.com wrote: On 09/27/2014 02:49 PM, lee wrote: Just ask yourself: Why would someone choose to

Re: Let's have a vote!

2014-09-28 Thread Chris Bannister
On Sun, Sep 28, 2014 at 03:05:06PM +0900, Joel Rees wrote: 2014/09/28 7:33 Ric Moore wayward4...@gmail.com: On 09/27/2014 02:49 PM, lee wrote: Darac Marjal mailingl...@darac.org.uk writes: It's a personal choice. If you require a crowd of support as moral justification you're

Re: Data from a serial port

2014-09-28 Thread Johann Klammer
On 09/28/2014 05:30 AM, Ethan Rosenberg, PhD wrote: Dear List - I have an Avery Berkel POS [Point Of Sale] scale which I wish to integrate into a POS system. The output is sent to a RS232 port. I do not know how to extract the data. Here is what I have about the RS232 port: ethan@meow:~$

Re: Let's have a vote!

2014-09-28 Thread Martin Steigerwald
Am Sonntag, 28. September 2014, 12:55:32 schrieb Martin Steigerwald: Am Sonntag, 28. September 2014, 23:50:45 schrieb Chris Bannister: On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 09:49:10PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: On Sat, 27 Sep 2014 18:32:38 -0400 Ric Moore wayward4...@gmail.com wrote: On

Re: Let's have a vote!

2014-09-28 Thread Karl E. Jorgensen
On Sun, Sep 28, 2014 at 11:50:45PM +1300, Chris Bannister wrote: On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 09:49:10PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: On Sat, 27 Sep 2014 18:32:38 -0400 Ric Moore wayward4...@gmail.com wrote: On 09/27/2014 02:49 PM, lee wrote: Just ask yourself: Why would someone choose

Re: funny text in bash history

2014-09-28 Thread Cindy-Sue Causey
On 9/27/14, Joel Rees joel.r...@gmail.com wrote: Booted this morning, started my usual pattern of bringing the appropriate apt-get commands up from history. (I'm lazy, okay?) Had a bunch of unicode proxies and a reference to a backup directory that I haven't accessed in several months in my

Re: Data from a serial port

2014-09-28 Thread Chris Bannister
On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 11:13:28PM -0400, Ethan Rosenberg wrote: Dear List - I have an Avery Berkel POS [Point Of Sale] scale which I wish to integrate into a POS system. The output is sent to a RS232 port. I do not know how to extract the data. Although this is not a Debian support

Re: funny text in bash history

2014-09-28 Thread The Wanderer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 09/28/2014 at 07:17 AM, Cindy-Sue Causey wrote: On 9/27/14, Joel Rees joel.r...@gmail.com wrote: Booted this morning, started my usual pattern of bringing the appropriate apt-get commands up from history. (I'm lazy, okay?) Had a bunch

Re: [OT] SSH Server for Android

2014-09-28 Thread softwatt
This may or may not be relevant: Rooting android makes it possible to use it as an SSH *client*. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [OT] SSH Server for Android

2014-09-28 Thread Erwan David
Le 28/09/2014 14:00, softwatt a écrit : This may or may not be relevant: Rooting android makes it possible to use it as an SSH *client*. You mean server ? Because you have ssh clients for non rooted android... I use connectbot, but there are others signature.asc Description: OpenPGP

Re: systemd and server use

2014-09-28 Thread Reco
Hi. On Sun, 28 Sep 2014 12:15:43 +0200 Martin Steigerwald mar...@lichtvoll.de wrote: 2 - daemontools, runit, many others. Then go and support these. Test them and help them to be available and tested in Debian. Help them so have sane defaults and so. But I don't have to :) Both

Re: Challenge to you: Voice your concerns regarding systemd upstream

2014-09-28 Thread The Wanderer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 09/28/2014 at 05:34 AM, Martin Steigerwald wrote: It may also be true that systemd upstream won´t be willing to implement the change you want to see. But if you choose to keep your power with yourself, instead of giving it to others, you are

Re: Challenge to you: Voice your concerns regarding systemd upstream

2014-09-28 Thread Martin Steigerwald
Am Sonntag, 28. September 2014, 07:51:14 schrieb The Wanderer: On 09/28/2014 at 05:34 AM, Martin Steigerwald wrote: It may also be true that systemd upstream won´t be willing to implement the change you want to see. But if you choose to keep your power with yourself, instead of giving it to

Re: [OT] SSH Server for Android

2014-09-28 Thread softwatt
On 09/28/2014 03:03 PM, Erwan David wrote: Le 28/09/2014 14:00, softwatt a écrit : This may or may not be relevant: Rooting android makes it possible to use it as an SSH *client*. You mean server ? Because you have ssh clients for non rooted android... I use connectbot, but there are

Re: [OT] SSH Server for Android

2014-09-28 Thread Alexis
softwatt writes: I meant an SSH client. I did not know that some non-root apps allow that. Thanks. However, rooting gives you a fully fledged GNU/Linux terminal, which has SSH, Rsync, Busybox, etc. ConnectBot can also give one a terminal for the device on which it's running. A

Re: Challenge to you: Voice your concerns regarding systemd upstream

2014-09-28 Thread Liam Proven
On 27 September 2014 03:45, Joel Rees joel.r...@gmail.com wrote: edumaction? I saw that and checked the headers, because what you are writing here seems a bit out of character. If this is a spoof, the headers are done better than I want to bother checking, unless you tell me so. Typo, I

Reboot After Systemd 215-5 Upgrade

2014-09-28 Thread David Baron
I am NOT complaining about systemd. Booted quickly as usual, and just fine. However: Very early on, their were two FAILED notices which I did were lost too quickly to read, The boot went out of the quiet mode and then proceeded just fine (with all the startup text). Dmesg shows nothing

Re: Debian policy on alternate init systems

2014-09-28 Thread Cindy-Sue Causey
On 9/27/14, Marty mar...@ix.netcom.com wrote: The Debian Policy Manual currently supports alternate init systems, and mentions upstart as an example. sysvinit scripts will continue to be required per policy. I got the opposite impression from the TC debate, where part of the justification

Re: Challenge to you: Voice your concerns regarding systemd upstream

2014-09-28 Thread Slavko
Ahoj, Dňa Sun, 28 Sep 2014 10:56:08 +0200 Martin Steigerwald mar...@lichtvoll.de napísal: But my challenge to all of you who don´t want systemd as default in Debian still is this: *Stop* complaining and *start* acting. You are right. For now it seems, that there is no chance to get DE

Re: Challenge to you: Voice your concerns regarding systemd upstream

2014-09-28 Thread Nate Bargmann
* On 2014 28 Sep 08:23 -0500, Liam Proven wrote: On 27 September 2014 03:45, Joel Rees joel.r...@gmail.com wrote: edumaction? I saw that and checked the headers, because what you are writing here seems a bit out of character. If this is a spoof, the headers are done better than I want to

Re: [OT] SSH Server for Android

2014-09-28 Thread softwatt
On 09/28/2014 04:04 PM, Alexis wrote: softwatt writes: I meant an SSH client. I did not know that some non-root apps allow that. Thanks. However, rooting gives you a fully fledged GNU/Linux terminal, which has SSH, Rsync, Busybox, etc. ConnectBot can also give one a terminal for the

Re: How to make more space available for /

2014-09-28 Thread Jörg-Volker Peetz
Jochen Spieker wrote on 09/28/2014 12:07: Rob Hurle: […] Any ideas on how I can copy my existing / partition and boot information to a new disc? Would dd be a good idea? How can I prepare the new disc to be the boot disc and have / on it without disturbing my current system? There are

Re: Reboot After Systemd 215-5 Upgrade

2014-09-28 Thread Carlo
2014-09-28 15:04 GMT+02:00 David Baron d_ba...@012.net.il: I am NOT complaining about systemd. Booted quickly as usual, and just fine. However: Very early on, their were two FAILED notices which I did were lost too quickly to read, The boot went out of the quiet mode and then proceeded just

Re: Reboot After Systemd 215-5 Upgrade

2014-09-28 Thread Carlo
2014-09-28 16:45 GMT+02:00 David Baron d_ba...@012.net.il: OK, here it is:~$ systemctl --failed UNIT LOAD ACTIVE SUBDESCRIPTION ● systemd-remount-fs.service loaded failed failed Remount Root and Kernel File Systems LOAD = Reflects whether the unit definition

Re: How to make more space available for /

2014-09-28 Thread Steve Litt
On Sun, 28 Sep 2014 16:55:07 +1000 Rob Hurle rob1...@gmail.com wrote: I've had a very large job on the go and have only just now had the chance to upgrade from squeeze to wheezy. I had to do the upgrade from DVDs because I live at the end of a piece of wet string (takes about a day to

Re: Let's have a vote!

2014-09-28 Thread Steve Litt
On Sun, 28 Sep 2014 23:50:45 +1300 Chris Bannister cbannis...@slingshot.co.nz wrote: On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 09:49:10PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: On Sat, 27 Sep 2014 18:32:38 -0400 Yes. I'm a huge believer in wiping and reinstalling major versions. It's like spring cleaning, and I

Re: Let's have a vote!

2014-09-28 Thread Steve Litt
On Sun, 28 Sep 2014 12:55:32 +0200 Martin Steigerwald mar...@lichtvoll.de wrote: Am Sonntag, 28. September 2014, 23:50:45 schrieb Chris Bannister: On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 09:49:10PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: On Sat, 27 Sep 2014 18:32:38 -0400 Ric Moore wayward4...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: Challenge to you: Voice your concerns regarding systemd upstream

2014-09-28 Thread Steve Litt
On Sun, 28 Sep 2014 11:02:35 +0200 Martin Steigerwald mar...@lichtvoll.de wrote: Am Freitag, 26. September 2014, 14:51:01 schrieb Miles Fidelman: John Hasler wrote: Miles Fidelman writes: the technical committee selects takes a vote that essentially imposes systemd on all of the

Re: Let's have a vote!

2014-09-28 Thread Erwan David
Le 28/09/2014 17:29, Steve Litt a écrit : I assume that implicit in your reply is that such a major version upgrade works well, and that over the years you don't get all sorts of accumulated software dust bunnies doing funny things to you. How many others here have experiences like Chris'? My

Re: Let's have a vote!

2014-09-28 Thread Martin Read
On 28/09/14 16:29, Steve Litt wrote: I assume that implicit in your reply is that such a major version upgrade works well, and that over the years you don't get all sorts of accumulated software dust bunnies doing funny things to you. How many others here have experiences like Chris'? Well,

Re: Challenge to you: Voice your concerns regarding systemd upstream

2014-09-28 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Sunday 28 September 2014 14:21:13 Slavko wrote: For now it seems, that there is no chance to get DE without systemd in debian Nonsense!! You can have TDE for a start, and I am sure that there are others. Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a

Re: Challenge to you: Voice your concerns regarding systemd upstream

2014-09-28 Thread Steve Litt
On Sun, 28 Sep 2014 15:21:13 +0200 Slavko li...@slavino.sk wrote: Ahoj, Dňa Sun, 28 Sep 2014 10:56:08 +0200 Martin Steigerwald mar...@lichtvoll.de napísal: But my challenge to all of you who don´t want systemd as default in Debian still is this: *Stop* complaining and *start*

Re: Let's have a vote!

2014-09-28 Thread John Hasler
Steve Litt writes: I assume that implicit in your reply is that such a major version upgrade works well, and that over the years you don't get all sorts of accumulated software dust bunnies doing funny things to you. How many others here have experiences like Chris'? My opinions are based on

Re: Let's have a vote!

2014-09-28 Thread The Wanderer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 09/28/2014 at 11:29 AM, Steve Litt wrote: On Sun, 28 Sep 2014 23:50:45 +1300 Chris Bannister cbannis...@slingshot.co.nz wrote: On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 09:49:10PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: Yes. I'm a huge believer in wiping and

Re: Let's have a vote!

2014-09-28 Thread John Hasler
Erwan David writes: I do reinstall when I change hardware, otherwise just upgrades. I don't. I've changed motherboards without reinstalling. The only hardware change that caused me to reinstall was going to 64-bit. It begins to look like Systemd will require reinstallation, though. -- John

Re: About dependency creep

2014-09-28 Thread Peter Nieman
On 28/09/14 12:37, Martin Steigerwald wrote: Am Freitag, 26. September 2014, 13:00:08 schrieb Peter Nieman: On 25/09/14 18:16, Martin Steigerwald wrote: The KDE project has spent *years* of development to reduce dependency creep. I don't think KDE is the problem here. I don't remember ever

Re: Challenge to you: Voice your concerns regarding systemd upstream

2014-09-28 Thread Martin Read
On 28/09/14 16:35, Lisi Reisz wrote: On Sunday 28 September 2014 14:21:13 Slavko wrote: For now it seems, that there is no chance to get DE without systemd in debian Nonsense!! You can have TDE for a start, and I am sure that there are others. The Trinity Desktop Environment is not, as far

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